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Casual Friday is so '90s, dressing down is full time
Contra Costa Times ^ | 8/23/06 | Molly Selvin

Posted on 08/23/2006 8:48:35 AM PDT by qam1

On those rare occasions when insurance executive Tara Guizot wears a suit to her Los Angeles office, "people invariably ask me if I'm interviewing for a new job," she said.

The trend toward casual dress has gone so far that Matt Smith, a 27-year-old Los Angeles lawyer, is on a quest to establish "Tie Tuesday." He would like to wear a suit to work but knows he'd be ridiculed. Instead, Smith dons a tie every Tuesday and hopes other men in his office will follow. So far, a couple have.

"It's just something fun," he said.

Forget casual Fridays. In many workplaces, it's casual everyday as corporate dress codes have gone the way of fedoras and white gloves.

Office workers, from executives to receptionists, now wear pretty much what they want, sometimes baring more cleavage, tattoos and body fat than co-workers care to see.

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Polo shirts, sweater sets and tailored slacks -- what many companies consider "business casual" -- have given way to halter tops, rubber flip-flops, T-shirts and jeans.

The trend has even sparked a mini-backlash among professionals opting for a more buttoned-down look.

"Wearing a tie used to be a sign of conformity. But dressing down is now conformity and dressing up is rebellious," said Robert Stephens, who founded the Geek Squad, Best Buy Co.'s computer repair service. Squad members sport short-sleeve white shirts and black ties.

Credit younger workers, who bring a who-cares-what-I-wear attitude to their cubicles, for the casual-everyday trend

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"It really helps us, specifically with Gen X and Y workers," said Miriam Wardak, senior vice president for ICF International, a Virginia-based consulting firm, adding that some younger workers have told her they would not consider a potential employer if they had to wear a suit and tie.

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To: dfwgator

ROR <-- This post says, "I am a lame jokester. Indulge me."


51 posted on 08/23/2006 10:01:13 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Remember the kids from the poor house who slipped on old tennis shoes and let their heels mash down the back of the shoe?

Yeah, those are stylish and actually marketed as "fasionable" shoes. Funny people pay for clothes that look like rags.

52 posted on 08/23/2006 10:04:20 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

"The philosphy of my boss is: your clothes reflect your attitude and focus"


You're correct. And it reflects your respect for others around you (nevermind yourself). Despite all the denials, it really does. That is the point of dressing for public. Show it some respect.

As it is, it won't be long before people at funerals (and I've seen it already at weddings) will be looking like !$#@!$#@. FGS people, it's a sign of RESPECT. You show up looking like a gangsta when you meet me for a date the 1st time - you're history. You didn't care enough about me to dress up - well, that's just it.

Incidentally, the "comfort" excuse is way overrated. The only thing about looking really nice that's uncomfortable for me is "high-heeled" shoes (which are often optional).


53 posted on 08/23/2006 10:04:21 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Arcy
It's all about psychology. It's stupid psychology but it's reality. In business, you want to be perceived as "professional" even if you're not.

Agreed. We happen to not interface with customers very much. When we do, it's over the phone and not face to face, as our customers are scattered around the world. Also, another advantage we have is that our product is the best in the world. Others try to implement some of our features, but no one comes close to what we are able to do. As a result, customers come to us, and we don't have to impress them with psychology quite as much.

54 posted on 08/23/2006 10:04:52 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; qam1

Sorry. I saw the keywords and the title, and I thought he was one of the hate filled-boomers that usually overrun these threads.


55 posted on 08/23/2006 10:06:34 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Meanwhile, we'll be in our jeans, paying for your SS benefits for the next 35 years, so lay off.

I'm sitting here in my office in my standard everyday IT work garb, jeans and a silk Hawaii shirt, thinking to myself ... my SS kicks in in 5 years ..

Thanks for being there for me.

56 posted on 08/23/2006 10:07:26 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: qam1
Friday is Hawaiian Shirt Day...


57 posted on 08/23/2006 10:07:51 AM PDT by rock_lobsta (cair = hamas = iran = EVIL)
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To: qam1
I'm surprised this hasn't shown up here yet...

58 posted on 08/23/2006 10:08:41 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Ask not what the government can do for you. Ask why it doesn't.)
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To: qam1

I've worked in environments where suit and heels were the norm and now at 43 I work in an environment where I can wear shorts in the summer and jeans and sweaters in the winter.

I work in IT and occasionally have to go into situations to find network connections that can be rather messy. And in the fours years I've worked for this company they've never figured out climate control.

I work more efficiently in comfortable clothing, and while not every day has me on the front lines of tackling malfunctioning equipment I don't have to worry about ruining something nice when I do.


59 posted on 08/23/2006 10:09:11 AM PDT by cjshapi (Proudly posting without a tagline since 2001)
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To: Arcy
"It's stupid psychology but it's reality. In business, you want to be perceived as "professional" even if you're not."

It depends on your job description. I don't trust a programmer who wears a tie and I'm the guy who hires them. OK not really, but for a technical position, the only thing I'm interested in is what you have done. Appearance, and even formal education takes a distant back seat to real world experience.
60 posted on 08/23/2006 10:09:52 AM PDT by ndt
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To: tx_eggman
I thought Hawaiian shirt day wasn't until next Friday.


61 posted on 08/23/2006 10:10:10 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: qam1

I'm wearing shorts and a loud, Hawaiian shirt. (I take my tag line quite seriously!)


62 posted on 08/23/2006 10:10:13 AM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: opticks

While "ass antlers" is quite humorous nothing really catches the essence, the feel or is as perfectly descriptive as "TRAMP STAMP"


63 posted on 08/23/2006 10:10:21 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: qam1

Great!!! Nothing is more annoying that having some over paid corporate executive decide that his minions must spend a fortune on clothing worn no where else in order to receive their chump change of a check...

My spouse works for a company with such a code..she makes about $25K a year yet is expected to present a 'professional' (read expensive) appearance on her piddly salary.

If a company wants their employees to wear expensive wardrobes, they should pay a wardrobe allowance. The employee gets nothing at all from the scam.

Now lets speak of lunatic office managers who keep the office temperature at 65% winter or summer...because their offices have windows and they get warm...poor babies.


64 posted on 08/23/2006 10:10:27 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: rock_lobsta

Isn't it strange how multiple posters come up with the exact same response within minutes of each other? I see it a couple of times a week here.


65 posted on 08/23/2006 10:11:11 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Gingersnap

"People who can't find 'comfortable' clothing that also spares the office constant visuals of a failed weight loss battle just don't know how to dress like a grownup instead of a little kid."



Here, here. Or is it, hear, hear?


The show "What Not to Wear" could have eternal life because the truth is, 90% of American people dress like !$!!@$#@%. If only we could get all of them on the show.


66 posted on 08/23/2006 10:11:20 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: qam1

I work in the IT field and dress seems to getting more relaxed every year. Monday I worked in nothing but boxers and a t-shirt.

(Remotely from home of course)


67 posted on 08/23/2006 10:12:23 AM PDT by Mcirrus (Future Reference)
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To: dfwgator
I remember my first day at EDS when I took off my suit in the cafeteria to eat. I was quickly advised to put the coat back on.

I have a coworker who, when going through the EDS interview process ordered a scotch neat when he went out to lunch with his two "handlers". When they informed him that "at EDS we don't drink at lunch" he looked back at the waiter ans said "make it a double"

End of interview

68 posted on 08/23/2006 10:13:12 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: petro45acp

"What the heck purpose does a tie serve"

it is the last remanent of the bows and furbelows of the 16th and 17th centuries..It also is a demonstration of power by the folk that force such silliness on their employers...

The last company that I worked for that required the stupid things got exactly what they demanded....one tie, worn every day and washed not dry cleaned...(shrunk up pretty well over time) Looked absolutely ridiculous and was shucked for the junk drawer in the desk each time I left the building. I wanted one with a nekid lady on it but my spouse drew the line at my rebellion.


69 posted on 08/23/2006 10:15:12 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: qam1

"Tie Tuesdays": that's an interesting concept, especially since, as a high school teacher, I have for 29 years worn a suit every Wednesday. I find the wide variety of standards for business dress fascinating and liberating. Unlike some on here, I am also intrigued by the amount of flesh and underthings people are wont to display (I said "intrigued", not "bothered").

All other days of the week, I wear black 501s, a golf- or broadcloth shirt, and comfortable shoes. The Wednesday suit thing started out as a way to mark the middle of the week with something special to wear. Hey, it's like anything else these days, especially here in the West: you could be at a car race, church, a restaurant, or a wedding -- and you're sure to see someone dressed in high fashion and someone else in hiking clothes. It's not really much of an issue any more; and I'm OK with that. I think everyone has a choice on how "impressive" they want to be; and I really believe in "dress for success". People do notice.


70 posted on 08/23/2006 10:15:22 AM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great (until it happens to you)...)
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To: petro45acp

Wait till one of these chicks find out that the translation of that Chinese tramp stamp lettering = "I have a fat ass"


71 posted on 08/23/2006 10:16:42 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Zarqawi died, liberals cried....)
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To: mysterio
Sorry. I saw the keywords and the title, and I thought he was one of the hate filled-boomers that usually overrun these threads.

I don't go for this generation warfare either way, but it goes both ways a lot of times the acrimony on these threads is started by some "generation-x" persone bashing the "boomer" generation as the worst generation ever and responsible for all the troubles of the world.

72 posted on 08/23/2006 10:19:35 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: qam1
I DO love my Khakis and polo shirts, but there is a bad side effect: weddings and funerals mean I have to go buy a suit I'll only use once ever 4 or 5 years or so.

That reminds me, has anybody lately "dressed up" (suit/tie - fancy dress for ladies), to go on a date? I know my wife and I tried it a few times on "date night", and got the funniest stares

...maybe it's because we were at the Sizzler...

73 posted on 08/23/2006 10:20:02 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Well, I used to know a chick who had this big, disgusting birthmark on her rather enormous cleavage, but other than that, I find that last statement hard to visualize

LOL - we used to have this 20-something woman working as a receptionist for our company about 10 years back. Fairly good looking, but my GOD, she must have had a set of 40 double-deckers sloshing around up there, and seemed to take perverse pleasure in wearing white blouses to work with the first two or three buttions undone.

The lady who worked next to her, a curmungeon in her sixties, would just sit there and just fume when she did this. The men didn't seem to mind, and we found any excuse we could to justify a quick trip to the office;)
74 posted on 08/23/2006 10:20:34 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Get off my lawn!)
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To: ShadowAce
"It allows us to be relaxed, and concentrate on our work, rather than how we look."

Very true. Bothering with a dress code in a business is such an old world way of thinking. People should focus on the tasks at hand rather than clothing. In the IT Dept where I work there is a 'business casual' dress code, but I've never paid any attention to it. Most days I show up wearing cargo pants and combat boots lol. I do what would be considered 6 different jobs at most large companies. One minute I may be messing with a hard drive in a PC or in a ceiling with cable, and the next I may be configuring a Cisco Router or working on a large database server. Having lots of pockets is a necessity, and dress clothes just don't get it done.

75 posted on 08/23/2006 10:21:36 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: dfwgator; lormand

I also used to work for EDS back in the day, in fact most people I know have worked for EDS. We call it "Parris Island for IT."

I remember one October 31, a group of GM engineers came to work wearing suits and ties to the Halloween party. When asked what they were dressed up as, they said, "EDS workers!" They won the prize for "most scary costume."


76 posted on 08/23/2006 10:22:05 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 140-144)
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To: qam1
Hear, Hear!

The necktie is the mark of the assistant night manager at Burger King. It is the collar of a wage slave. It's an accursed remnant of the bloody rags the Huns wore around their necks as they raped and pillaged their way across Christian Europe.

Now that I am a partner in my organization, I wear only Tommy Bahama shirts. The people who work for me wear the dog collars. It's good to be king.

-ccm

77 posted on 08/23/2006 10:22:13 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Malacoda
My husband started wearing a nice fedora to work, and has gotten a lot of compliments and queries as to where he bought it.

I would welcome the opportunity to wear a fedora. Unfortunately, I work in a manufacturing area, and most of the dress is business casual.

One thing that many are missing on this thread is that a little formality can breed better manners. When you wear a hat, there are some standards of respect. You take the hat off when entering a building or room; you take the hat off in a hospital, or during a church service, and certainly during the playing of the National Anthem. Of course, many people have lost this sense of manners, as you see them all the time at sporting events and parades, wearing their ball caps when the Star-Spangled Banner is played.

Formality in dress requires you to care about your clothing, and how you look. Not in a metrosexual way, but in a thoughtful way. A way that shows you respect whom you're doing business with enough to present yourself in a professional way.

And looking professional doesn't have to mean being uncomfortable. A tailored shirt and pants, a properly-knotted tie, and a jacket that is hemmed properly doesn't restrict your motions or your thoughts. It can bring about a certain level of respect however, in that people dealing with you--especially people whom you've never met before--may take you a lot more serious in more formal dress than they would if you were in torn jeans and a t-shirt.

78 posted on 08/23/2006 10:22:34 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: ndt
Great post....

I work in embedded software development....

The last 3 summers I have worn shorts/shoes or shorts/sandals every day all summer ....
79 posted on 08/23/2006 10:24:36 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: opticks; NRA1995

Nothing says "SLUT" like a tat on the butt.


80 posted on 08/23/2006 10:25:11 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: ccmay
The people who work for me wear the dog collars. It's good to be king.

Worthy of a tagline change ... plagerism isn't always a bad thing.

81 posted on 08/23/2006 10:27:17 AM PDT by tx_eggman (The people who work for me wear the dog collars. It's good to be king. - ccmay)
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To: ndt
"Appearance, and even formal education takes a distant back seat to real world experience."

Wow! People such as you are very rare. You do hiring and know what to look for. I've seen far too many complete idiots in IT who get the job because they have a BS degree and dress nice. They start working and don't know sh1t about anything. Reminds me of the time I had to show someone with a Masters in computer Science how to map a network drive.

82 posted on 08/23/2006 10:27:44 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: Lou L

I'll agree with you except to say that there should be different standards for those who work in IT. A good 60-80% of people in IT are social misfits or downright anti-social. What constitutes "professional" for them does not involve interacting with other people at all.

They spend 90% of their time TOTALLY away from other people, staring at a computer screen. To an IT person, the standards are reversed: slovenly appearance, messy desks, coffee cups everywhere, are signs of the tortured, introverted genius within. (And I ought to know)...


83 posted on 08/23/2006 10:29:24 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: ccmay
The necktie is the mark of the assistant night manager at Burger King. It is the collar of a wage slave.

There's nothing wrong in being an assistant night manager at Burger King. It's honest work and in a way there's something enobling about an honest worker in an uncomfortable outfit.

84 posted on 08/23/2006 10:30:08 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: qam1
I have no concerns about office personnel, but if you go to any hospital at all in the U.S., you will see nurses and doctors who are working at their jobs, and look like skid row bums.

GenX Nurses: Want to be cutting edge? Try wearing a starched white uniform dress, with nursing school cap and pin, and a blue short cloak. You will look so put together and professional that your slob bosses just might try to fire you for subverting the status quo!
85 posted on 08/23/2006 10:30:15 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: ndt

As a guy who did his fair share of IT recruiting, I cared about 2 things, first, do you have the skills necessary to do the job. But 2, and damn near as important, are you a team killer. If so, I don't care how good you are as a coder.

Appearance, couldn't care less.


86 posted on 08/23/2006 10:32:54 AM PDT by dmz
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To: ishabibble

HELLO??? Ever try to rotate a 300 lb quad wearing a form fitting, starched white uniform?

My wife wears loose-fitting scrubs with dogs and palm trees on them. She works in Hospice. The dying don't care how she dresses, they see her as an angel.


87 posted on 08/23/2006 10:33:54 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: qam1

Depends on what I'm doing...

When I was in Iraq, the psycho site lead ALWAYS wore khakis. I wore jeans every single day while I was in the AOR, all 366 of them.

Now it depends. At this time I wear jeans just about every day with a collared shirt simply because there is a chance that I'll be working on cabling or fiber runs. But if I'm sure I won't be, like when I'm building a server or something in that vein, I'll wear khakis from time to time.


88 posted on 08/23/2006 10:35:53 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Go Bucks!!!)
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To: dmz

You seem like a really cool dude to work for!


89 posted on 08/23/2006 10:36:01 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Jim Verdolini

"The last company that I worked for that required the stupid things got exactly what they demanded....one tie, worn every day and washed not dry cleaned...(shrunk up pretty well over time) Looked absolutely ridiculous and was shucked for the junk drawer in the desk each time I left the building. I wanted one with a nekid lady on it but my spouse drew the line at my rebellion."

Had the proverbial "nekid lady" tie. Actually it was Max Parrish's "Awakening" and the 'lady' was an androgenous "wood nymph." Raised some eyebrows in the embassy...


90 posted on 08/23/2006 10:38:35 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
There's nothing wrong in being an assistant night manager at Burger King. It's honest work and in a way there's something enobling about an honest worker in an uncomfortable outfit.

My apologies to all honest wage slaves. I'm sorry you have to wear a dog collar.

Actually, I once read that the whole point of the suit and tie was to forever remove a man from the category of guys who could roll up their sleeves and do dirty manual labor. A man in a suit would never even be asked to change a wagon wheel or shovel pig $#!t. It was a manifestation of the British notion that a gentleman was someone who had independent inherited wealth and need never work with his hands a day in his life. It is a fashion and a philosophy unsuited for a democratic Republic.

-ccm

91 posted on 08/23/2006 10:39:03 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: NRA1995

"Tired of seeing women's tramp stamps sticking out over top of their jeans"

Unless you know of a good way to clean Copenhagen out of a keyboard, you owe me a new one!!!!


92 posted on 08/23/2006 10:39:30 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Warren_Piece

The sad reality is that we spend more time awake with our coworkers than with our families. I'll be damned if I'm gonna hire someone to make those hours more of a pain in the a$$ than they need to be.


93 posted on 08/23/2006 10:40:14 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Warren_Piece
Hospice? Are you deliberately misunderstanding the point of my post just to flex your keystroke muscles?
To answer your question, YES. I have been a long term caregiver to a quadriplegic, and she was 300+ lbs. My mother.

I am commenting on the problem of image as discussed in the original article. Nurses are the biggest offenders, IMHO. Next are teachers who let their students call them by their first names, totally obliterating the fact that the use of titles and formality is a form of respect. But, by far, I reserve my anger for nursing professionals, they look like hung over bums, and if you would like me to post pictures to back up this claim, I certainly can. So can your wife.
94 posted on 08/23/2006 10:41:05 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: dmz

I like your priorities. I for one, would enjoy more time with my family than at the office...


95 posted on 08/23/2006 10:41:13 AM PDT by erikm88
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To: rock_lobsta; Peanut Gallery

Didn't you get the memo on this?


96 posted on 08/23/2006 10:41:14 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (The reason humans didn't practice war any longer, was they were very, very good at it.)
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To: qam1
LOL. Quite different from when I started working and all the ladies had to have suits - skirts only, pants were out. Stiff uncomfortable suits, panty hose, mid heeled pumps. All with mid/late 80s 'flair', ie giant shoulder pads, long slits in skirts. Shudder. The casual look can be done quite nicely. At my sister's place of work, it's a sort of casual chic - and no one forgets she's in charge. ;-)
97 posted on 08/23/2006 10:41:51 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: martin_fierro

I'm wearing a tie right now. It's covered in $100 bills.


98 posted on 08/23/2006 10:41:52 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (The reason humans didn't practice war any longer, was they were very, very good at it.)
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To: NRA1995
women's tramp stamps sticking out over top of their jeans

Good one, I'll remember that.

99 posted on 08/23/2006 10:43:51 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: qam1
Everyday is casual day here in the silicon valley.
100 posted on 08/23/2006 10:43:58 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero ╗ with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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