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Casual Friday is so '90s, dressing down is full time
Contra Costa Times ^ | 8/23/06 | Molly Selvin

Posted on 08/23/2006 8:48:35 AM PDT by qam1

On those rare occasions when insurance executive Tara Guizot wears a suit to her Los Angeles office, "people invariably ask me if I'm interviewing for a new job," she said.

The trend toward casual dress has gone so far that Matt Smith, a 27-year-old Los Angeles lawyer, is on a quest to establish "Tie Tuesday." He would like to wear a suit to work but knows he'd be ridiculed. Instead, Smith dons a tie every Tuesday and hopes other men in his office will follow. So far, a couple have.

"It's just something fun," he said.

Forget casual Fridays. In many workplaces, it's casual everyday as corporate dress codes have gone the way of fedoras and white gloves.

Office workers, from executives to receptionists, now wear pretty much what they want, sometimes baring more cleavage, tattoos and body fat than co-workers care to see.

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Polo shirts, sweater sets and tailored slacks -- what many companies consider "business casual" -- have given way to halter tops, rubber flip-flops, T-shirts and jeans.

The trend has even sparked a mini-backlash among professionals opting for a more buttoned-down look.

"Wearing a tie used to be a sign of conformity. But dressing down is now conformity and dressing up is rebellious," said Robert Stephens, who founded the Geek Squad, Best Buy Co.'s computer repair service. Squad members sport short-sleeve white shirts and black ties.

Credit younger workers, who bring a who-cares-what-I-wear attitude to their cubicles, for the casual-everyday trend

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"It really helps us, specifically with Gen X and Y workers," said Miriam Wardak, senior vice president for ICF International, a Virginia-based consulting firm, adding that some younger workers have told her they would not consider a potential employer if they had to wear a suit and tie.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anarchy; bigdeal; casuallifestyle; dresscodes; fashion; genx; geny; notenoughproblems; slobs; stuffedshirts; workplace
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1 posted on 08/23/2006 8:48:39 AM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1
I worked for EDS in the 90's and had to wear a suit and tie daily.

Of course that was after they relaxed the 'no facial hair' rules.

2 posted on 08/23/2006 8:50:04 AM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; ...
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3 posted on 08/23/2006 8:51:05 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1

Another GenX bash thread. Meanwhile, we'll be in our jeans, paying for your SS benefits for the next 35 years, so lay off.


4 posted on 08/23/2006 8:51:21 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: qam1

Gen Y wants to know which employers have "casual work ethic" Fridays.


5 posted on 08/23/2006 8:51:54 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: qam1

You mean I should not have worn these flip flops and jeans to work today?


6 posted on 08/23/2006 8:52:54 AM PDT by JFC (Land of the FREE because of our BRAVE)
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To: qam1

7 posted on 08/23/2006 8:53:55 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: mysterio
But when people start showing off their underwear at work, Houston, we've got a problem...

On that subject...

Employers, schools get serious about dress codes

8 posted on 08/23/2006 8:54:54 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mysterio
Another GenX bash thread - you consider this to be a bashing GenX thread? GenX'ers are so sensitive; we have been paying for our forefathers SS for years, do not think you are so special, it's just we have dressed nicer.
9 posted on 08/23/2006 8:55:02 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: qam1; xsmommy

How casual are things in Kali?

The other day the judge started his oral decision with "Dude,..."


10 posted on 08/23/2006 8:55:31 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: lormand
Like fedoras - it's never coming back. No one wants the discomfort of a suit and tie, the expense of that wardrobe (no longer explicitly comp'd by employers), or the dry cleaning bills.

I'm not sure when hats bit the dust. Some suggest that images of JFK, who rarely wore a hat, had a lot to do with killing that standard. My father was no fashion horse - and lagged far behind the times, giving up hats in the early 70's.
11 posted on 08/23/2006 8:56:06 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: qam1

Happily sticking to khaki and golf shirt conformity. Nothing done in that garb can be done any better in anachronistic vestigial ramient. What the heck purpose does a tie serve. If it was winter and it was a scarf, maybe. Suit fabrics provide minimal protection against the elements, and the whole deal focuses on appearance vice capability. How good can a suit be?...lawyers and used car salesmen wear them!

IMO, clothes are gear. Wear that which supports function.

Incedently, this old fart is too old to be attempting the peacock process where appearance is concerned.

Can't trust a slicky-boy!


12 posted on 08/23/2006 8:56:21 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: qam1

Tired of seeing women's tramp stamps sticking out over top of their jeans


13 posted on 08/23/2006 8:56:39 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Zarqawi died, liberals cried....)
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To: qam1
sometimes baring more cleavage... than co-workers care to see.

Well, I used to know a chick who had this big, disgusting birthmark on her rather enormous cleavage, but other than that, I find that last statement hard to visualize.

I'll never forget the time the hot Ukrainian chick came to work wearing the mini-skirt, white fishnets, and the halter top. I was almost stampeeded to death in the crush of male humanity that decended on her when she went to the breakroom. What a wonderful way to die...

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

14 posted on 08/23/2006 8:57:16 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: martin_fierro

no he DIDN"T!


15 posted on 08/23/2006 8:57:20 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

I can understand certain positions that would require it, but we never interfaced with customers, just one another. Yes, it was a waste of money.


16 posted on 08/23/2006 8:57:27 AM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: qam1

In my job, I can wear anything from a dress or suit to skorts and polos, sandals, white keds, heels etc.

Of course, I don't deal much with people outside of ** ominous music ** the dungeon, my windowless office.


17 posted on 08/23/2006 8:57:58 AM PDT by eyespysomething (How to Do a Roundhouse Kick http://www.wikihow.com/Do-a-Roundhouse-Kick)
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To: mysterio

"paying for your SS benefits for the next 35 years"


or maybe not... 8-)


18 posted on 08/23/2006 8:58:04 AM PDT by kenth
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To: NRA1995

"...Tramp Stamps..."


That is perfect!!!!!!!


19 posted on 08/23/2006 8:58:55 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: qam1

When I worked in the private sector, I just wanted to see the 'business casual' rules enforced. For males, your options were pretty simple - khakis and a polo shirt, maybe a button-down style shirt with an open collar, and dress shoes.

If I strayed too far outside those lines, I'd most certainly get called on the carpet.

Women, on the other hand, could wear damn near whatever they wanted, as long as it wasn't jeans, and there was no backlash at all. The worst offenders were the several extremely overweight women who essentially wore pajamas/jogging suits and sandals to work every day, because it was the only thing they could fit into. Pissed me off to no end.


20 posted on 08/23/2006 8:59:21 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: mysterio

Well, the office where I was the fanciest dressed woman on the floor (without trying, mind you) only has two or three people younger than 45 on it...it's not merely a gen X phenomenon, IMHO...Personally think it's an old hippie idea.


21 posted on 08/23/2006 8:59:37 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: qam1
I like casual dress. My interpretation is nice slacks & shirt, no tie. However, I have seen some interpret "casual" as meaning shorts & golf shirt. This is unacceptable in my opinion. Like it or not a persons dress (appearance) dramatically affects how they are perceived. Professional vs. non-professional.
22 posted on 08/23/2006 8:59:55 AM PDT by Arcy
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To: lormand
I worked for EDS in the 90's and had to wear a suit and tie daily.

I remember my first day at EDS when I took off my suit in the cafeteria to eat. I was quickly advised to put the coat back on.

Never again! They will pry my golf shirt and khakis from my cold, dead fingers.

23 posted on 08/23/2006 9:00:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

My wife loves the old hats, and wished more men would wear them to work like long ago. I would, but I can't find one to match my boxers. Ahhh, the joys of working from home...


24 posted on 08/23/2006 9:01:16 AM PDT by kenth
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To: dfwgator
I remember those days too.

We were allowed to take our jackets off while in our cubicle, but we had to put it on when going to the cafeteria. The food (Marriot Services) wasn't good enough to justify going through all of that anyway.

25 posted on 08/23/2006 9:34:06 AM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: mewzilla
Tina Wells, the twentysomething CEO of Buzz Marketing, says anxiousness over the economy, the war in Iraq and the upcoming election have created a mood that's more "focused and serious."

Look at this garbage from your link...It's BUSH'S FAULT?!?!?!

The left is mentally ill!!!

26 posted on 08/23/2006 9:35:33 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: NRA1995

I prefer "ass antlers"


27 posted on 08/23/2006 9:35:51 AM PDT by opticks
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To: qam1
The trend toward casual dress has gone so far that Matt Smith, a 27-year-old Los Angeles lawyer, is on a quest to establish "Tie Tuesday." ...Smith dons a tie every Tuesday and hopes other men in his office will follow..."It's just something fun," he said.

This guy looks to be about as fun as a barrel of monkeys!

28 posted on 08/23/2006 9:37:32 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Arcy
I have seen some interpret "casual" as meaning shorts & golf shirt. This is unacceptable in my opinion.

Where I work (electronics company and software development), a golf shirt is dressing up. My boss comes in with shorts and sockless sandals. Some people walk around without shoes, and sometimes there are torn jeans shorts.

The owner of the company doesn't mind, and he doesn't dress much better. I'm frequently the most dressed up person in the office, and I only wear jeans and motorcycle T-shirts.

I love it. It allows us to be relaxed, and concentrate on our work, rather than how we look.

29 posted on 08/23/2006 9:40:51 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: qam1

my office had casual fridays, but we didn't produce our numbers so it ended. The philosphy of my boss is: your clothes reflect your attitude and focus. I agree. I wore my regular clothes every friday and always made my quota.


30 posted on 08/23/2006 9:47:27 AM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 ("Conspiracy theories are the products of feeble minds." - A. Horvet)
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To: dfwgator

"I remember my first day at EDS when I took off my suit in the cafeteria to eat. I was quickly advised to put the coat back on."

It is odd that they were only forcing you to put the coat back on! Hopefully the AC wasn't turned to low.


31 posted on 08/23/2006 9:47:31 AM PDT by CSM ("The fatter we get as a country the more concerned we get about smoking" - ichabod1)
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To: lormand

and the short military haircut?

Yeah, I remember that.

Another contribution to society by spoiler H. Ross Perot.


32 posted on 08/23/2006 9:47:57 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: qam1

"Forget casual Fridays. In many workplaces, it's casual everyday as corporate dress codes have gone the way of fedoras and white gloves."


Boy they aren't kidding. "Men" my age and less in my big-corp offices dress in dirty sneakers, drooping corduroys, and long saggy "polo shirts" hanging out.

Hence, the quotes. I still can't call males my age or less "men"; they look like back-alley boys.


33 posted on 08/23/2006 9:49:22 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: NRA1995

Tell you what I'm tired of.

I don't mind casual, but I hate tacky.

On all the television shows now, so-called professional women wear low cut tops or blouses showing amounts of bought and paid for cleavage formerly only seen on hookers.

Now, I do not believe that female assistant DA's or police chiefs actually wear this stuff and I am sick, sick, sick of seeing it on TV.

Sick.


34 posted on 08/23/2006 9:50:05 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: mysterio

Hello! qam1 is a well-known "GenX" guy who runs the GenX ping.


35 posted on 08/23/2006 9:52:16 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: qam1
He would like to wear a suit to work but knows he'd be ridiculed. Instead, Smith dons a tie every Tuesday and hopes other men in his office will follow. So far, a couple have.

"It's just something fun," he said.

In a perfect world, he would be strangled with that tie...

Hopefully whoever invented the damn things got similar treatment.

36 posted on 08/23/2006 9:53:42 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Terabitten

The old dress code (while I kinda miss it) was disastrous for office thermostats. Guys in suits, long sleeve shirts and ties and women in whatever. (mean nice pants, blouses, etc.) They were always freezing and the guys were burning up.

How many office feuds did this cause.

I worked with a woman who would wear a strappy sundress showing fat arms I didn't want to see who whined all day about being cold. The guys had to wear suits at that time.


37 posted on 08/23/2006 9:54:26 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: qam1

In olden times those throwing themselves upon a king's mercy had to appear in simple shirts with the nooses around their necks. The shirt requirement gave way to a formal 2- or 3-piece suit, and the noose morphed into a necktie.


38 posted on 08/23/2006 9:54:49 AM PDT by GSlob
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The funny thing is, it's really nothing new in the manufacturing and IT industries. IT just developed that way, and people in manufacturing started spending more time on the floor and didn't need the dry cleaning bills.

At least in the metals/casting industry, "casual everyday" goes back to at least the mid-80s.

-Eric

39 posted on 08/23/2006 9:55:08 AM PDT by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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To: opticks
Or "whale tail," depending on the girth of the person.

Last week, I stopped into the library to return a few books, and saw a gal working there who was wearing a bikini top with low-rise jeans, and a lower back tattoo. The letters were hipbone to hipbone, four inches high, and said, "BOOTY."

She wasn't of the body type that required a labeling of the booty area, if you get my drift.

40 posted on 08/23/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by Malacoda (The Posting Police need an enema.)
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To: martin_fierro

These clothes say "I will be a grumpy clerk forever. Treat me like ear wax."

These clothes say "I am bound for management. Pretend you like me because I could be your boss someday."

These clothes say "I'm the only one who understands the computer system. Worship me."

41 posted on 08/23/2006 9:56:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: qam1
"Polo shirts, sweater sets and tailored slacks -- what many companies consider "business casual" -- have given way to halter tops, rubber flip-flops, T-shirts and jeans."

The grunge look is everywhere for all to see. It appears that many people are trying to look slovenly, unkept and trashy.
The changes started with the 60s and more casual (but not necessarily grunge with the Dot.com revolution).
What adds to this crappy look is that more and more people are overweight and the clothing they wear makes them look even worse.
42 posted on 08/23/2006 9:57:34 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Arcy

Thank you.

And I too think, as everything else, that "casual" has been DUMBED DOWN to mean "!#$!$#-hole street-punk homeless". It used to mean NOT suits, but still NICE and sharp.


43 posted on 08/23/2006 9:57:37 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

My daughter just took a job with a company run by an old dude, kind of a Sam Walton type, and they have a strict formal dress code. Men and women have to wear suits. Woman are allowed pantsuits, but have to wear hose and nice shoes.

(she had to buy everything new) It'll take a month of paychecks to get back in the black)


44 posted on 08/23/2006 9:58:21 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: Terabitten

The biggest problem with womens' dress was prior to the biz casual move. At that time, they were dressing casual while men were still having to wear a tie.

I write the dress code now and I can assure you there is no sneaking around it, gender wise. Of course, it isn't very hard to follow (fairly casual), but it is strict. Flip flops are an obvious no-no.


45 posted on 08/23/2006 9:58:58 AM PDT by 1L
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To: qam1
I dress for my day. The difference is that my work day never includes painting the barn or digging ditches. There is a difference between dressing casually at times and dressing to impress others with your sexual availability or hog slopping skills.

People who can't find "comfortable" clothing that also spares the office constant visuals of a failed weight loss battle just don't know how to dress like a grownup instead of a little kid.

It isn't hard to do at all.
46 posted on 08/23/2006 9:59:10 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: kenth

My husband started wearing a nice fedora to work, and has gotten a lot of compliments and queries as to where he bought it.


47 posted on 08/23/2006 9:59:23 AM PDT by Malacoda (The Posting Police need an enema.)
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To: ShadowAce
In your work environment I wouldn't have a problem with the way you dress. However, I would have a problem with people not wearing shoes. That could result in an injury.

The real dividing line for me is whether or not you are coming in contact with the public or potential customers. If you are, then a more "professional" attire should be worn unless you are working in an environment where it's very dirty and clothing is likely to get soiled.

People treat you differently and perceive you differently when you are dressed up. Even if it's just a nice shirt and slacks. If you don't think this is the case, consider how you yourself perceive people who are well dressed. We've been conditioned to think that people who are well dressed are "important" or "powerful" or "smart". Whether it's true or not, it's how people think. And believe me, it affects how they think of you.

It's all about psychology. It's stupid psychology but it's reality. In business, you want to be perceived as "professional" even if you're not.
48 posted on 08/23/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by Arcy
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To: ShadowAce
"Where I work (electronics company and software development), a golf shirt is dressing up. "

I once went to a meeting with the vice-president of a large bank (not the branch, the whole multi-trillion dollar bank) trying to get a contract for a new product.

I was the tech guy, the rest of the team was marketing and other assorted overdressed types. Before we got there, they trashed me for wearing sandals. When the VP came in, he looked at my feet, shook my hand and said "you must be the tech guy". I looked down and he was also wearing sandals. We got the project.
49 posted on 08/23/2006 10:00:52 AM PDT by ndt
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To: dfwgator

that's funny. Especially the last one,


50 posted on 08/23/2006 10:00:54 AM PDT by Arcy
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