Skip to comments.Casual Friday is so '90s, dressing down is full time
Posted on 08/23/2006 8:48:35 AM PDT by qam1
On those rare occasions when insurance executive Tara Guizot wears a suit to her Los Angeles office, "people invariably ask me if I'm interviewing for a new job," she said.
The trend toward casual dress has gone so far that Matt Smith, a 27-year-old Los Angeles lawyer, is on a quest to establish "Tie Tuesday." He would like to wear a suit to work but knows he'd be ridiculed. Instead, Smith dons a tie every Tuesday and hopes other men in his office will follow. So far, a couple have.
"It's just something fun," he said.
Forget casual Fridays. In many workplaces, it's casual everyday as corporate dress codes have gone the way of fedoras and white gloves.
Office workers, from executives to receptionists, now wear pretty much what they want, sometimes baring more cleavage, tattoos and body fat than co-workers care to see.
Polo shirts, sweater sets and tailored slacks -- what many companies consider "business casual" -- have given way to halter tops, rubber flip-flops, T-shirts and jeans.
The trend has even sparked a mini-backlash among professionals opting for a more buttoned-down look.
"Wearing a tie used to be a sign of conformity. But dressing down is now conformity and dressing up is rebellious," said Robert Stephens, who founded the Geek Squad, Best Buy Co.'s computer repair service. Squad members sport short-sleeve white shirts and black ties.
Credit younger workers, who bring a who-cares-what-I-wear attitude to their cubicles, for the casual-everyday trend
"It really helps us, specifically with Gen X and Y workers," said Miriam Wardak, senior vice president for ICF International, a Virginia-based consulting firm, adding that some younger workers have told her they would not consider a potential employer if they had to wear a suit and tie.
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ROR <-- This post says, "I am a lame jokester. Indulge me."
Yeah, those are stylish and actually marketed as "fasionable" shoes. Funny people pay for clothes that look like rags.
"The philosphy of my boss is: your clothes reflect your attitude and focus"
You're correct. And it reflects your respect for others around you (nevermind yourself). Despite all the denials, it really does. That is the point of dressing for public. Show it some respect.
As it is, it won't be long before people at funerals (and I've seen it already at weddings) will be looking like !$#@!$#@. FGS people, it's a sign of RESPECT. You show up looking like a gangsta when you meet me for a date the 1st time - you're history. You didn't care enough about me to dress up - well, that's just it.
Incidentally, the "comfort" excuse is way overrated. The only thing about looking really nice that's uncomfortable for me is "high-heeled" shoes (which are often optional).
Agreed. We happen to not interface with customers very much. When we do, it's over the phone and not face to face, as our customers are scattered around the world. Also, another advantage we have is that our product is the best in the world. Others try to implement some of our features, but no one comes close to what we are able to do. As a result, customers come to us, and we don't have to impress them with psychology quite as much.
Sorry. I saw the keywords and the title, and I thought he was one of the hate filled-boomers that usually overrun these threads.
I'm sitting here in my office in my standard everyday IT work garb, jeans and a silk Hawaii shirt, thinking to myself ... my SS kicks in in 5 years ..
Thanks for being there for me.
I've worked in environments where suit and heels were the norm and now at 43 I work in an environment where I can wear shorts in the summer and jeans and sweaters in the winter.
I work in IT and occasionally have to go into situations to find network connections that can be rather messy. And in the fours years I've worked for this company they've never figured out climate control.
I work more efficiently in comfortable clothing, and while not every day has me on the front lines of tackling malfunctioning equipment I don't have to worry about ruining something nice when I do.
I'm wearing shorts and a loud, Hawaiian shirt. (I take my tag line quite seriously!)
While "ass antlers" is quite humorous nothing really catches the essence, the feel or is as perfectly descriptive as "TRAMP STAMP"
Great!!! Nothing is more annoying that having some over paid corporate executive decide that his minions must spend a fortune on clothing worn no where else in order to receive their chump change of a check...
My spouse works for a company with such a code..she makes about $25K a year yet is expected to present a 'professional' (read expensive) appearance on her piddly salary.
If a company wants their employees to wear expensive wardrobes, they should pay a wardrobe allowance. The employee gets nothing at all from the scam.
Now lets speak of lunatic office managers who keep the office temperature at 65% winter or summer...because their offices have windows and they get warm...poor babies.
Isn't it strange how multiple posters come up with the exact same response within minutes of each other? I see it a couple of times a week here.
"People who can't find 'comfortable' clothing that also spares the office constant visuals of a failed weight loss battle just don't know how to dress like a grownup instead of a little kid."
Here, here. Or is it, hear, hear?
The show "What Not to Wear" could have eternal life because the truth is, 90% of American people dress like !$!!@$#@%. If only we could get all of them on the show.
I work in the IT field and dress seems to getting more relaxed every year. Monday I worked in nothing but boxers and a t-shirt.
(Remotely from home of course)
I have a coworker who, when going through the EDS interview process ordered a scotch neat when he went out to lunch with his two "handlers". When they informed him that "at EDS we don't drink at lunch" he looked back at the waiter ans said "make it a double"
End of interview
"What the heck purpose does a tie serve"
it is the last remanent of the bows and furbelows of the 16th and 17th centuries..It also is a demonstration of power by the folk that force such silliness on their employers...
The last company that I worked for that required the stupid things got exactly what they demanded....one tie, worn every day and washed not dry cleaned...(shrunk up pretty well over time) Looked absolutely ridiculous and was shucked for the junk drawer in the desk each time I left the building. I wanted one with a nekid lady on it but my spouse drew the line at my rebellion.
"Tie Tuesdays": that's an interesting concept, especially since, as a high school teacher, I have for 29 years worn a suit every Wednesday. I find the wide variety of standards for business dress fascinating and liberating. Unlike some on here, I am also intrigued by the amount of flesh and underthings people are wont to display (I said "intrigued", not "bothered").
All other days of the week, I wear black 501s, a golf- or broadcloth shirt, and comfortable shoes. The Wednesday suit thing started out as a way to mark the middle of the week with something special to wear. Hey, it's like anything else these days, especially here in the West: you could be at a car race, church, a restaurant, or a wedding -- and you're sure to see someone dressed in high fashion and someone else in hiking clothes. It's not really much of an issue any more; and I'm OK with that. I think everyone has a choice on how "impressive" they want to be; and I really believe in "dress for success". People do notice.
Wait till one of these chicks find out that the translation of that Chinese tramp stamp lettering = "I have a fat ass"
I don't go for this generation warfare either way, but it goes both ways a lot of times the acrimony on these threads is started by some "generation-x" persone bashing the "boomer" generation as the worst generation ever and responsible for all the troubles of the world.
That reminds me, has anybody lately "dressed up" (suit/tie - fancy dress for ladies), to go on a date? I know my wife and I tried it a few times on "date night", and got the funniest stares
...maybe it's because we were at the Sizzler...
Very true. Bothering with a dress code in a business is such an old world way of thinking. People should focus on the tasks at hand rather than clothing. In the IT Dept where I work there is a 'business casual' dress code, but I've never paid any attention to it. Most days I show up wearing cargo pants and combat boots lol. I do what would be considered 6 different jobs at most large companies. One minute I may be messing with a hard drive in a PC or in a ceiling with cable, and the next I may be configuring a Cisco Router or working on a large database server. Having lots of pockets is a necessity, and dress clothes just don't get it done.
I also used to work for EDS back in the day, in fact most people I know have worked for EDS. We call it "Parris Island for IT."
I remember one October 31, a group of GM engineers came to work wearing suits and ties to the Halloween party. When asked what they were dressed up as, they said, "EDS workers!" They won the prize for "most scary costume."
The necktie is the mark of the assistant night manager at Burger King. It is the collar of a wage slave. It's an accursed remnant of the bloody rags the Huns wore around their necks as they raped and pillaged their way across Christian Europe.
Now that I am a partner in my organization, I wear only Tommy Bahama shirts. The people who work for me wear the dog collars. It's good to be king.
I would welcome the opportunity to wear a fedora. Unfortunately, I work in a manufacturing area, and most of the dress is business casual.
One thing that many are missing on this thread is that a little formality can breed better manners. When you wear a hat, there are some standards of respect. You take the hat off when entering a building or room; you take the hat off in a hospital, or during a church service, and certainly during the playing of the National Anthem. Of course, many people have lost this sense of manners, as you see them all the time at sporting events and parades, wearing their ball caps when the Star-Spangled Banner is played.
Formality in dress requires you to care about your clothing, and how you look. Not in a metrosexual way, but in a thoughtful way. A way that shows you respect whom you're doing business with enough to present yourself in a professional way.
And looking professional doesn't have to mean being uncomfortable. A tailored shirt and pants, a properly-knotted tie, and a jacket that is hemmed properly doesn't restrict your motions or your thoughts. It can bring about a certain level of respect however, in that people dealing with you--especially people whom you've never met before--may take you a lot more serious in more formal dress than they would if you were in torn jeans and a t-shirt.
Nothing says "SLUT" like a tat on the butt.
Worthy of a tagline change ... plagerism isn't always a bad thing.
Wow! People such as you are very rare. You do hiring and know what to look for. I've seen far too many complete idiots in IT who get the job because they have a BS degree and dress nice. They start working and don't know sh1t about anything. Reminds me of the time I had to show someone with a Masters in computer Science how to map a network drive.
I'll agree with you except to say that there should be different standards for those who work in IT. A good 60-80% of people in IT are social misfits or downright anti-social. What constitutes "professional" for them does not involve interacting with other people at all.
They spend 90% of their time TOTALLY away from other people, staring at a computer screen. To an IT person, the standards are reversed: slovenly appearance, messy desks, coffee cups everywhere, are signs of the tortured, introverted genius within. (And I ought to know)...
There's nothing wrong in being an assistant night manager at Burger King. It's honest work and in a way there's something enobling about an honest worker in an uncomfortable outfit.
As a guy who did his fair share of IT recruiting, I cared about 2 things, first, do you have the skills necessary to do the job. But 2, and damn near as important, are you a team killer. If so, I don't care how good you are as a coder.
Appearance, couldn't care less.
HELLO??? Ever try to rotate a 300 lb quad wearing a form fitting, starched white uniform?
My wife wears loose-fitting scrubs with dogs and palm trees on them. She works in Hospice. The dying don't care how she dresses, they see her as an angel.
Depends on what I'm doing...
When I was in Iraq, the psycho site lead ALWAYS wore khakis. I wore jeans every single day while I was in the AOR, all 366 of them.
Now it depends. At this time I wear jeans just about every day with a collared shirt simply because there is a chance that I'll be working on cabling or fiber runs. But if I'm sure I won't be, like when I'm building a server or something in that vein, I'll wear khakis from time to time.
You seem like a really cool dude to work for!
"The last company that I worked for that required the stupid things got exactly what they demanded....one tie, worn every day and washed not dry cleaned...(shrunk up pretty well over time) Looked absolutely ridiculous and was shucked for the junk drawer in the desk each time I left the building. I wanted one with a nekid lady on it but my spouse drew the line at my rebellion."
Had the proverbial "nekid lady" tie. Actually it was Max Parrish's "Awakening" and the 'lady' was an androgenous "wood nymph." Raised some eyebrows in the embassy...
My apologies to all honest wage slaves. I'm sorry you have to wear a dog collar.
Actually, I once read that the whole point of the suit and tie was to forever remove a man from the category of guys who could roll up their sleeves and do dirty manual labor. A man in a suit would never even be asked to change a wagon wheel or shovel pig $#!t. It was a manifestation of the British notion that a gentleman was someone who had independent inherited wealth and need never work with his hands a day in his life. It is a fashion and a philosophy unsuited for a democratic Republic.
"Tired of seeing women's tramp stamps sticking out over top of their jeans"
Unless you know of a good way to clean Copenhagen out of a keyboard, you owe me a new one!!!!
The sad reality is that we spend more time awake with our coworkers than with our families. I'll be damned if I'm gonna hire someone to make those hours more of a pain in the a$$ than they need to be.
I like your priorities. I for one, would enjoy more time with my family than at the office...
Didn't you get the memo on this?
I'm wearing a tie right now. It's covered in $100 bills.
Good one, I'll remember that.