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Boiled bones show Aztecs butchered, ate invaders
Reuters via Yahoo News ^ | August 23, 2006 | Catherine Bremer

Posted on 08/23/2006 3:46:48 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer

CALPULALPAN, Mexico (Reuters) - Skeletons found at an unearthed site in Mexico show Aztecs captured, ritually sacrificed and partially ate several hundred people traveling with invading Spanish forces in 1520.

Skulls and bones from the Tecuaque archaeological site near Mexico City show about 550 victims had their hearts ripped out by Aztec priests in ritual offerings, and were dismembered or had their bones boiled or scraped clean, experts say.

The findings support accounts of Aztecs capturing and killing a caravan of Spanish conquistadors and local men, women and children traveling with them in revenge for the murder of Cacamatzin, king of the Aztec empire's No. 2 city of Texcoco.

Experts say the discovery proves some Aztecs did resist the conquistadors, led by explorer Hernan Cortes, before the Spaniards attacked the Aztec capital, Tenochtitlan, now Mexico City.

History books say many indigenous Mexicans welcomed the white-skinned horsemen in the belief they were returning gods but turned against the Spaniards once they tried to take over the Aztec seat of power in a conflict that ended in 1521.

"This is the first place that has so much evidence there was resistance to the conquest," said archaeologist Enrique Martinez, director of the dig at Calpulalpan in Tlaxcala state, near Texcoco.

"It shows it wasn't all submission. There was a fight."

The caravan was apparently captured because it was made up mostly of the mulatto, mestizo, Maya Indian and Caribbean men and women given to the Spanish as carriers and cooks when they landed in Mexico in 1519, and so was moving slowly.

The prisoners were kept in cages for months while Aztec priests selected a few each day at dawn, held them down on a sacrificial slab, cut out their hearts and offered them up to various Aztec gods.

Some may have been given hallucinogenic mushrooms or pulque -- an alcoholic milky drink made from fermented cactus juice -- to numb them to what was about to happen.

TEETH MARKS

"It was a continuous sacrifice over six months. While the prisoners were listening to their companions being sacrificed, the next ones were being selected," Martinez said, standing in his lab amid boxes of bones, some of young children.

"You can only imagine what it was like for the last ones, who were left six months before being chosen, their anguish."

The priests and town elders, who performed the rituals on the steps of temples cut off by a perimeter wall, sometimes ate their victims' raw and bloody hearts or cooked flesh from their arms and legs once it dropped off the boiling bones.

Knife cuts and even teeth marks on the bones show which ones had meat stripped off to be eaten, Martinez said.

Aztec warriors whitened the bones with lime and carried them as amulets. Some were used as ornaments in homes.

In Aztec times, the site was called Zultepec, a town of white-stucco temples and homes where some 5,000 people grew maize and beans and produced pulque to sell to traders.

Priests had to be brought in for the ritual killings because human sacrifices had never taken place there, Martinez said.

On hearing of the massacre, Cortes renamed the town Tecuaque -- meaning "where people were eaten" in the indigenous Nahuatl language -- and sent an army to wipe out its people.

When they heard the Spanish were coming, the Zultepec Aztecs threw their victims' possessions down wells, unwittingly preserving buttons and jewelry for the archaeologists.

The team began work in 1990 and is only now finishing its investigation. It found remains of domestic animals brought from Spain, like goats and pigs.

"They hid all the evidence," said Martinez. "Thanks to that act, we have been allowed to discover a chapter we were unaware of in the conquest of Mexico."


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; aztecs; aztlaniscoming; bones; cannibalism; godsgravesglyphs; multiculturalism
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1 posted on 08/23/2006 3:46:49 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
"It shows it wasn't all submission. There was a fight."

And yet we're just rolling over for the Reconquista.

2 posted on 08/23/2006 3:48:50 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Oh, I'm soooo eager to learn more about ATZLAN..!


3 posted on 08/23/2006 3:51:04 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
The sacrifice of captured Spanish prisoners was vividly described by Bernal Diaz, one of the conquistadors who accompanied Cortez, in his account of the expedition, "The Conquest of New Spain."
4 posted on 08/23/2006 3:51:54 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
"It was a continuous sacrifice over six months. While the prisoners were listening to their companions being sacrificed, the next ones were being selected," Martinez said, standing in his lab amid boxes of bones, some of young children.

With 11 MILLION on our hands now, I wonder how long OUR party would last...?

5 posted on 08/23/2006 3:52:04 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Dup

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1688667/posts


6 posted on 08/23/2006 3:53:08 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Oops, wrong link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1688695/posts


7 posted on 08/23/2006 3:54:30 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

It's worth noting that the native Americans, what we refer to as the Indians, did this as well. They believed that eating the heart of a worthy opponent strengthened them. I seem to recall that Pontiac had a thing for the flesh of his victims.

At any rate, I recommend Alan Eckert's "The Frontiersmen", a historical novel, for context on that subject. It's one of the best books I've ever read.


8 posted on 08/23/2006 3:56:17 PM PDT by IncPen (Bush Iraq Truth WMD http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
This is news? I've known that all my life, and I'm not young.

I have never admired this so-called "civilization". The best I will allow them is "curious primitive killer-culture" status.

Not even remotely "news"...

9 posted on 08/23/2006 3:57:56 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

so did the Japs....


10 posted on 08/23/2006 3:58:44 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: GoLightly

Hi, did a search exactly as title read and nothing came up.
Thanks for the notice.


11 posted on 08/23/2006 3:59:12 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

All cultures are equal! All cultures are equal!


12 posted on 08/23/2006 4:00:05 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

so this is the Nahuatl language speaking heritage that
our Latino ,Aztlan promoting members of society would have us return to?
All I can say is many will die first , many.....


13 posted on 08/23/2006 4:00:32 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
show Aztecs captured, ritually sacrificed and partially ate several hundred people traveling with invading Spanish forces in 1520.

Well, at the very least I'd be shopping for a new travel agent.

14 posted on 08/23/2006 4:01:03 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Sorry, but to say cannibalism is wrong is just a point of view. We should be tolerant and nonjudgmental-- the one who calls others barbarians is the true barbarian.

:)


15 posted on 08/23/2006 4:02:14 PM PDT by JHBowden (Speaking truth to moonbat.)
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To: JHBowden
They're merely choosing an alternate lifestyle source, one which doesn't produce greenhouse gasses, unless they get a real Mikey Moore-size porker on the spit.

Really, the intolerance here is astounding. How do we KNOW those eaten didn't hop on the grille willingly? Were there documents or photos or videos, all of which could be faked? Truth is we can't KNOW, so let's not be judgmental, huh? After all, they only ate humans, it's not like they ate an endangered animal species or something. ;)

16 posted on 08/23/2006 4:05:29 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: SkyPilot
All cultures are equal! All cultures are equal!

And we must not judge them as bad - to compare them to us would be ethnocentric and narrow minded.

And as we've all been lectured to ad nauseum, there's nothing worse - not murder, rape, torture, theft, etc. - NOTHING is worse than the thought crime of thinking bad of another culture, group, race, blah blah blah.

17 posted on 08/23/2006 4:06:11 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: WmShirerAdmirer; SunkenCiv

It was my pleasure. There are posts in response on that other thread that are quite funny. If you have a topic like this in the future search for it under user SunkenCiv & if he doesn't have it yet, ping him.


18 posted on 08/23/2006 4:07:50 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: martin_fierro
Next on the Food Channel- the Aztec Chef prepares Filet Fuentes with redsauce, a side of fava beans and a good chianti....
19 posted on 08/23/2006 4:14:28 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (Satan has a new name and it is Islam)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Many Mexicans (not Aztecs) did welcome the conquistadors, precisely because they were tired of being sacrificed (and apparently eaten) by the Aztecs.

All in all, for its faults, militant Spanish-style papism, inquisitors and all, was a better deal than having pious Aztec pagans as neighbors, and they were right to welcome them.


20 posted on 08/23/2006 4:14:34 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: SkyPilot

You beat me to it- my feelings exactly, it was just another culture, need to respect it, let's move on.


21 posted on 08/23/2006 4:18:10 PM PDT by pineybill (`)
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To: God luvs America

" so did the Japs...."

Yes , horrible ...but out of necessity .


22 posted on 08/23/2006 4:18:28 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: The_Reader_David

"Papism"?

Explain.


23 posted on 08/23/2006 4:21:44 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: IncPen

THE FRONTIERSMEN is indeed a terrific book - and it is in fact a history, not a novel. Eckert's accounts of the atrocities committed by both sides are absolutely horrifying - the details of Colonel Crawford's torture, for instance, make the hair stand on end. Anybody who thinks the Indians were just peaceful berry gatherers really needs to read that book.

For the Aztecs, besides Bernal Diaz's account and Prescott's history, I always liked the novel CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE. There are some really vivid torture/cannibalism scenes in there.


24 posted on 08/23/2006 4:23:22 PM PDT by Argus
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
But...but...but I thought the native peoples were the noblest inhabitants of Mother Earth.

These xenophobes Mexi-fascists represent a small portion of the culture of peace.

25 posted on 08/23/2006 4:23:52 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

'One man's Cannibal is another man's gourmet'-- Reuters


26 posted on 08/23/2006 4:24:20 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

I guess this shows how"backward"white-european is?


27 posted on 08/23/2006 4:24:41 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: The_Reader_David
militant Spanish-style papism, inquisitors and all

The 'Black Legend' of anti-Catholic propaganda, rears its ugly head.

28 posted on 08/23/2006 4:25:11 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Sounds like a Democrats dream. Sacrifice human life and eat it too.


29 posted on 08/23/2006 4:30:56 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

" 550 victims"
Too much pork for just one spork!


30 posted on 08/23/2006 4:31:10 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Argus
I always liked the novel CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE

Good movie too, minus the cannibalism, starring Tyrone Powers and featuring Caesar Romero as a heroic Cortes. They also nod to the 'Black Legend' by making Powers a victim of the Inquisition.

31 posted on 08/23/2006 4:31:58 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Yeah, the movie is colorful and fun, but it ends just as the story gets really interesting. I think they planned to make a Part Two but ran out of money.


32 posted on 08/23/2006 4:34:39 PM PDT by Argus
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To: JHBowden

" the one who calls others barbarians is the true barbarian. "

Since our culture ritually eats the flesh and blood of its God, the high ground to call others barbarian in their religious culture isn't of a particulary high elevation either.


33 posted on 08/23/2006 4:35:34 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Argus
THE FRONTIERSMEN is indeed a terrific book - and it is in fact a history, not a novel.

You're right; Eckert goes to great length in the preface to assure the reader that nothing in the book is invented; all of the dialog is based on actual historical documents which recount the actions of the characters. On that point alone the book is a herculean example of research and scholarship.

Thanks for the reply.

34 posted on 08/23/2006 4:41:40 PM PDT by IncPen (Bush Iraq Truth WMD http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"The 'Black Legend' of anti-Catholic propaganda, rears its ugly head."

Ahh yes, the inquisition deniers rear their heads again.
35 posted on 08/23/2006 4:41:45 PM PDT by ndt
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To: elcid1970

As an Orthodox Christian (you remember the other four patriarchates besides Rome?) I take a dim view of the Latin papal claims.

I would ordinarily refer to adherents of the Papal throne of Rome as 'Latins' following the example of the Orthodox fathers in the early centuries after their schism from the Church, but 'Spanish Latins' didn't work in the context, and it was, after all more or less contemporaneous with the maximal extent of papal abuses (indulgences, the Inquisition and the like) and northern rebellion against the Popes of Rome usually called the 'Reformation' (though if it really were re-forming, the Lutheran correspondence with Constantinople would have gone better), so I took the old term of art, offensive though it may be.

(Actually, we Orthodox like the current Pope of Rome: he's got a good grasp of patristics, and is given to quoting our fathers, even from after the schism.)


36 posted on 08/23/2006 4:42:48 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: gcruse

They also skinned their captives and wore the skins.


37 posted on 08/23/2006 4:43:59 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Not really, we in the East have a good recollection of the behavior of prelates in olden days, be it our own or the Latins after the schism. (cf. my last post on the reason for my choice of wording)


38 posted on 08/23/2006 4:44:48 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
Boiled bones show Aztecs butchered, ate invaders

Beware the illegal laborers that say that just here "To Serve(the)Gringo"...

39 posted on 08/23/2006 4:44:48 PM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: RightWhale

Reminds me of the SNL skit where the queen was agonizing over what would be done with her body after she died. They did go on and on. Sooth, 'twas a gas.


40 posted on 08/23/2006 4:50:23 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: ndt
Ah yes, the inquisition deniers rear their heads again.

Don't deny it at all, so long as the Protestants acknowledge their vastly more numerous witch killings, and the Orthodox acknowledge their participation in barbarously tyrannical regimes (The Czars, Vlad the Impaler), and their allowing the Muslims to conquer the holy land. Not to move this interesting thread to the 'Smokey Backroom'.

41 posted on 08/23/2006 4:53:18 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: everyone

These scientists had better get on the PC bandwagon, quick, and talk about this in the right way. If they don't, they'll lose their money and eventually their jobs.

I wonder if this story will be "fit to print" in the NY Times.


42 posted on 08/23/2006 4:55:00 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
I saw a documentary on PBS a couple of weeks ago about how death is part of many cultures. They did an extensive piece about the Aztecs and their blood lust--at one point during the peak of the Aztec nation, they ritualistically "sacrificed" (cut out the hearts of living humans) more than 40,000 people in one week (yes, they actually documented this)! The level of butchery is almost unimaginable.

I'll bet they don't teach that in multiculturalism class.
43 posted on 08/23/2006 4:56:04 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Amen.


44 posted on 08/23/2006 4:57:01 PM PDT by Joan912 (Sshhh - you'll scare all the bugs away!)
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To: SkyPilot
All cultures are equal! All cultures are equal!

Equal!? What are you talking about? Third world primitive cultures are ever so much more noble, high minded and wise than any others. They live in harmony with our mother the earth. They feel her pulse and respond with humble adoration. If we decadent westerners would only turn an attentive ear to the wisdom....of ...

...that's as much sarcasm as I can spew out in one sitting.

45 posted on 08/23/2006 4:59:47 PM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"so long as the Protestants...Orthodox ... Muslims"

LOL I'm an atheist so no argument from me. P.S. I'll give you that it was not as bad as often portrayed, but thats still a long way from good. We all have skeletons in our ancestral closets.

"Not to move this interesting thread to the 'Smokey Backroom'."

Uh oh, your right, better get this back on topic. umm... BORDER LANGUAGE CULTURE (or something to that effect)
46 posted on 08/23/2006 5:04:06 PM PDT by ndt
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To: IncPen

I couldn't agree more about Allan Eckert. I thought THE FRONTIERSMEN was his best work but I also greatly enjoyed WILDERNESS EMPIRE, THE CONQUERORS, THE WILDERNESS WAR, GATEWAY TO EMPIRE, TWILIGHT OF EMPIRE, and THAT DARK AND BLOODY RIVER. Eckert must be ancient by now. Do you happen to know if he is still writing? I also enjoyed his book about Tecumseh. I believe it was called A SORROW IN OUR HEARTS. I spent the summer of 1990 playing couch potato lost in his great books.


47 posted on 08/23/2006 5:08:40 PM PDT by billndin
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To: Darkwolf377

"...unless they get a real Mikey Moore-size porker on the spit..."

He could feed a small African or Aztec village for a week, IMO. LOL.


48 posted on 08/23/2006 5:15:44 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: sushiman

not in all cases....in some instances they ate the liver to show superiority...


49 posted on 08/23/2006 5:17:48 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

It was a common Aztec practice to sacrifice living humans and to eat their flesh as a kind of sacrament. I guess it takes all kinds.


50 posted on 08/23/2006 5:18:37 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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