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Sheriff's deputies raid 2,500-plant pot patch [Mexican Drug Cartel In Oregon/Illegal Aliens]
Mail Tribune ^ | Aug. 24, 2006 | ANITA BURKE

Posted on 08/24/2006 7:58:17 AM PDT by conservativecorner

In a large raid preceding the harvest season, the Jackson County Sheriff's Department has seized 2,500 marijuana plants with a street value estimated at up to $12.5 million.

Two men found at the scattered gardens near Hyatt Lake on Monday remain in Jackson County Jail on immigration holds and the investigation is continuing, Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said.

Officials had watched the growing operation, believed to be linked to a Mexican drug cartel, and swept in Monday to destroy it just before harvest time, sheriff's Lt. Pat Rowland said.

SWAT teams from Jackson and Douglas counties and Oregon State Police, along with officers from the Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement conducted Monday's raid.

The SWAT teams detained two armed Hispanic men found at the gardens. Rafael Santoya-Pineda, no age or address listed, and Noel Tadia-Arreguin, no age or address listed, both are being held at the Jackson County Jail on immigration holds, officials said.

Investigators pulled out the plants, hoisted them in nets with a helicopter and filled a 10-yard dump truck. The plants were taken to a mill and burned, Winters said. Evidence also was collected at the scene during the day-long police effort.

The plants, each 4 to 6 feet tall, grew in scattered gardens on three acres of Bureau of Land Management property near Hyatt Lake, Winters said. Plants of that size can produce about a pound of marijuana, which would have a value of around $5,000 on the street at the retail level, he said.

"This is a serious business and people need to be careful in the woods," Winters said.

With the marijuana harvest season approaching and bow hunting season just around the corner, the sheriff worries about possible conflicts between people enjoying the forests legally and those using public and private forest lands for illegal endeavors.

Law enforcement officials have prepared a pamphlet warning that large growing operations are becoming more prevalent and can be booby-trapped. Authorities have found guns, explosive devices and aggressive defenses such as barbed wire fences, look-out stands in trees, fish hooks hung at eye level and pits filled with sharpened stakes at such operations, the pamphlet said.

The pamphlet advises hunters and hikers to watch out for irrigation systems or other evidence of cultivation such as garden tools or bags of fertilizer in the woods, isolated camps in areas far from recreation areas, and camouflage tarps or mesh coverings.

People who spot such evidence should leave immediately, backing down the path they came in on if necessary, and contact law enforcement, Winters said.


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1 posted on 08/24/2006 7:58:18 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

They're just farmers coming here for a better life..............


2 posted on 08/24/2006 8:04:07 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: conservativecorner

"Be careful out there. Little Joe's planting the Ponderosa!"


3 posted on 08/24/2006 8:04:14 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: conservativecorner

Doing the jobs Americans are legally prevented from doing.


4 posted on 08/24/2006 8:04:37 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: conservativecorner

[Insert Cheech and Chong joke here.]


5 posted on 08/24/2006 8:04:45 AM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: conservativecorner

Sheeesh! That's a small plot....There's places that I won't ride armed with 10 friends...


6 posted on 08/24/2006 8:06:34 AM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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To: conservativecorner

Carajo!


7 posted on 08/24/2006 8:06:46 AM PDT by kenavi (Save romance. Stop teen sex.)
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To: conservativecorner

"the Jackson County Sheriff's Department has seized 2,500 marijuana plants with a street value estimated at up to $12.5 million"

$5000 a plant? They must have been the size of live oaks.


8 posted on 08/24/2006 8:08:44 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: conservativecorner

I have a couple cousins up there who are probably weeping buckets at this news.


9 posted on 08/24/2006 8:08:55 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: rhombus

LMAO BUMP! :>)!!!!!!!!


10 posted on 08/24/2006 8:09:39 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Looks like the Mexican maggots have taken over Oregon's vaunted national park land. The enviro-nazis can keep the loggers out, so they can't make a living for their families, but they don't tangle with the drug cartels who are making much more money off the land and taking it out of public use to boot. Nice going, fools.


11 posted on 08/24/2006 8:14:17 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: conservativecorner

I feel safer now. Thanks, Drug Warriors. Let's get drunk and celebrate.


12 posted on 08/24/2006 8:18:45 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Peace Through Victory)
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To: conservativecorner
Law enforcement officials have prepared a pamphlet warning that large growing operations are becoming more prevalent.....becoming more prevalent? It is the GNP of about five states. Like our borders, our National Forests have been invaded. These men caught in this 'garden' should be deported, flown 'home' in a plane with no doors or seat belts.............The 'trial' of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean shows just how serious the Drug Cartel is in America - the jury was obviously threatened...and the judge should be fired.
13 posted on 08/24/2006 8:18:52 AM PDT by yoe
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To: conservativecorner

It's only a matter of time until ex-military types take the law into their own hands and start eliminating this trash, this FILTH, THIS DISEASE from our country. It CANNOT happen soon enough IMO.


14 posted on 08/24/2006 8:23:40 AM PDT by steel_resolve (Do you know what a bigot is? Someone winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: conservativecorner

Just polishing up on those agricultural skills Americans are too lazy to polish up on.


15 posted on 08/24/2006 8:25:18 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: L98Fiero
"Plants of that size can produce about a pound of marijuana, which would have a value of around $5,000 on the street at the retail level, he said."

That's what he said - but minus the live oaks.

16 posted on 08/24/2006 8:28:25 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: rhombus
Doing the jobs Americans are legally prevented from doing.

You owe me a new monitor. Mine has coffee all over it.

17 posted on 08/24/2006 8:28:30 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: conservativecorner

I was wondering if they found booby traps or not. Also, all they have to do is let those two guys go and we won't have to pay a single taxpayer dime to deal with them. I write that with total confidence -- and the Feds know it is true. Just let 'em go and they'll be dead within the year.


18 posted on 08/24/2006 8:34:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: steel_resolve

Never happen. The ex-military types up here use their skills to rob banks.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/9664884/detail.html


19 posted on 08/24/2006 8:43:42 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: azhenfud

"The plants, each 4 to 6 feet tall,.."

I find it VERY unlikely those plants were capapble of producing anywhere near a pound of bud.


20 posted on 08/24/2006 8:45:27 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: azhenfud; L98Fiero

4-6 foot plants won't produce a pound of top grade pot. 1/4-1/2 pound tops. That's if conditions are perfect.


21 posted on 08/24/2006 8:46:04 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: conservativecorner

dubie?


22 posted on 08/24/2006 8:46:06 AM PDT by dubie
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To: conservativecorner

Survivalists?


23 posted on 08/24/2006 8:46:24 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: bigfootbob

"1/4-1/2 pound tops."

That would have been my "guesstimation" for a professionally grown plant.


24 posted on 08/24/2006 8:47:37 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: bigfootbob
Sing along around the fire down at the old mill.

This story reminds me of the movie "Homegrown" with Billy Bob Thornton.

25 posted on 08/24/2006 8:57:50 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: L98Fiero

I have no clue other than what the article states.


26 posted on 08/24/2006 9:02:09 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: steel_resolve

Do you really think Vets will will break the law? One felony and all Fed benefits go down the drain. Get real. Heck, we have retired military types, who fought hard for CRSC. They are not doing your dirty work.


27 posted on 08/24/2006 9:03:35 AM PDT by Lumper20
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


28 posted on 08/24/2006 9:05:13 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: OregonRancher

Our friends picked up an ex hydroponics operation in BC, the entire operation is underground, grow op, generator, heat exchanger, everything excluding the house. There is a ~75x75 shop on the property with a concrete bunker the same size under it.

They now use it as a mini storage, the property is ~12 acres IIRC out in the middle of a provincial park.


29 posted on 08/24/2006 9:19:27 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Lexington Green
"I feel safer now. Thanks, Drug Warriors. Let's get drunk and celebrate."

Me too!.. Look, they've gotten .0000001% of the total supply of marijuana off the table in one swoop! Cheers. (hic)!
30 posted on 08/24/2006 11:11:55 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: Lumper20

My dirty work? What an inconsiderate and stupid thing to say. Perhaps I should have said armed citizens instead of ex-military, but my comments stand otherwise. People in this country are getting to the point where they cannot count on the government to protect their interests anymore and I can definitely see people taking the law into their own hands in the next 5, 10 or 15 years with regards to this alien horde sweeping over the US and bringing with it an enormous crime wave. But hey, it's not happening in your backyard, so why should you care, right gringo?


31 posted on 08/24/2006 12:59:39 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Do you know what a bigot is? Someone winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: conservativecorner

These enterprising undocumented workers are just growing the pot Americans won't grow.


32 posted on 08/24/2006 3:29:53 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: steel_resolve

Steel states: "My dirty work? What an inconsiderate and stupid thing to say. Perhaps I should have said armed citizens instead of ex-military, but my comments stand otherwise. People in this country are getting to the point where they cannot count on the government to protect their interests anymore and I can definitely see people taking the law into their own hands in the next 5, 10 or 15 years with regards to this alien horde sweeping over the US and bringing with it an enormous crime wave. But hey, it's not happening in your backyard, so why should you care, right gringo?"


Tell me about the one shot one kill posts you make? With those posts you do not need anyone, except maybe a spotter. You are a one man killer. Glad you are on our side. So, what does this Govt. owe ya?


33 posted on 08/24/2006 5:11:14 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: steel_resolve
People in this country are getting to the point where they cannot count on the government to protect their interests anymore and I can definitely see people taking the law into their own hands in the next 5, 10 or 15 years with regards to this alien horde sweeping over the US and bringing with it an enormous crime wave.

This scenario might happen sooner than 5 years if this insane amnesty is passed with our president's seal of approval.

34 posted on 08/24/2006 5:16:31 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: kittymyrib
The enviro-nazis can keep the loggers out, so they can't make a living for their families, but they don't tangle with the drug cartels...

And it ain't just a pot patch either... We got lots of methamphetamine here in Southern Oregon...

35 posted on 08/24/2006 5:44:02 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: OregonRancher
There's places that I won't ride armed with 10 friends...

Meth-heads???

I don't know what county you're in, but whatever happened to the sheriff forming a posse and going after a$$holes like that?

36 posted on 08/24/2006 5:54:56 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

You have to be kidding!!!! They won't even investigate a break in or a robbery.....Of course, we're a ways out from town....so, we basically use the good old 3"S". At night the sound of a pump shotgun being jacked carries a long way. And a .338 round carries even further.


37 posted on 08/24/2006 6:02:00 PM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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To: OregonRancher
They won't even investigate a break in or a robbery.....Of course, we're a ways out from town....

Where are you in Oregon?

I am in the central Southern part of the state...

38 posted on 08/24/2006 7:08:59 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: rhombus
Doing the jobs Americans are legally prevented from doing.

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Blue ribbon award.

39 posted on 08/24/2006 7:14:25 PM PDT by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:-)
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To: Lexington Green
I feel safer now. Thanks, Drug Warriors. Let's get drunk and celebrate.

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2nd place award.

40 posted on 08/24/2006 7:16:20 PM PDT by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:-)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"Just let 'em go and they'll be dead within the year."

Why would they be dead within a year? For getting busted? I wonder why everyone thinks that. My guess is people watch too much TV. In real life people who get busted aren't likely to be killed by the organization that hired them unless they start rolling over on the organization. When they do that they are putting their lives and the lives of their families in serious jeopardy. If it were standard practice to kill these "farm hands" and the mules who carry drugs or money just because they get popped by the police, these people would be far more likely to help the police get the higher ups because they'd have nothing to lose. At least they'd have a chance at getting police protection, even getting paid, if they were to start working for law enforcement. They don't tend to get any help from the organization that hired them if they get busted though. These organizations don't bond these people at the bottom of the totem pole out of jail or hire them lawyers, but they don't kill them just for getting busted. Losing a load of dope or a patch of pot plants, or even a load of cash, that's all just part of the normal costs of business to these people. They don't like it, but they make tons of money on all the loads that get through, the patches of pot that aren't seized, and they insulate themselves from getting busted by having layers of expendable people down below them who have little knowledge about the workings of their organizations, and who are unlikely to start talking about what they do know because they know what is liable to happen to them and their families if they do. Of course if these people thought they were going to be killed anyway, the organization wouldn't have so much leverage over them.
41 posted on 08/24/2006 11:52:20 PM PDT by TKDietz (")
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To: conservativecorner; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; ...

Oregon Ping

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Oregon Ping List.

42 posted on 08/24/2006 11:58:33 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: TKDietz
You're somewhat correct as to how the cartels 'reward' and/or 'punish' the flunkies that get caught.

But I do recall one female, about twenty who was transporting a trunk full of cash. Alas, she got drunk/high and stopped.
The Mexican cartel bailed her for cash ...

They then used propane (?) torches to rearrange her skin.

They left her hands alone so the corpse could be fingerprinted and they could get the bail exonerated.
They're really nice guys ;^)
43 posted on 08/25/2006 12:42:54 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld

You're one of few on here who knows what (s)he's talking about.


44 posted on 08/25/2006 4:48:45 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

The ranch is south of Grants Pass, in the mountains, and we have a place on the Rogue.


45 posted on 08/25/2006 6:06:33 AM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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To: rhombus
The plants were taken to a mill and burned, Winters said.

Oh, to live within a hundred yards of that mill.

46 posted on 08/25/2006 6:09:37 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: conservativecorner
"The SWAT teams detained two armed Hispanic men found at the gardens. Rafael Santoya-Pineda, no age or address listed, and Noel Tadia-Arreguin, no age or address listed, both are being held at the Jackson County Jail on immigration holds, officials said."

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

47 posted on 08/25/2006 6:57:41 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: investigateworld
I never said they were nice guys, only that they don't tend to kill these people just for getting caught. I don't doubt that these organizations frown on their mules getting drunk and high and getting themselves caught, especially when they are carrying huge amounts of the cartel's cash though. Loads of dope are relatively cheap to these guys, money is a different matter. They don't tend to trust just anyone with huge sums of money and they expect those carrying their profits to act with a greater degree of professionalism than some yahoo they'll hire to do something like carry a trunk load of cheap Mexican brickweed. It doesn't surprise me that some of these organizations might make an example out of someone who lost a lot of the organization's money through just being stupid and reckless.

I bet the higher ups only had a few grand in these patches of pot plants that are the subject of this article though. It's true they could have made a good profit from these patches of plants, nowhere even close to 12 million, but a hefty profit nonetheless. The thing is though that they probably have several other plots growing elsewhere and may very well have smuggling and other operations going as well. They'll still make tons of money. These are high risk investments with huge profit potential. They expect to lose some of their crops, a small percentage of their loads of dope, and even some of their cash. That's why they don't put all their eggs in one basket. The profits they make on the crops that make it and the loads that get through make up for their losses several fold.
48 posted on 08/25/2006 8:05:53 AM PDT by TKDietz (")
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To: TKDietz

I just noticed from your profile that you are a retired detective. You probably already know about a lot of the stuff I'm talking about. What I know comes from my work as a public defender in an area where a lot of drug mules are caught and a lot of money is seized. Did you work as a narcotics officer?


49 posted on 08/25/2006 8:12:59 AM PDT by TKDietz (")
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To: TKDietz
Work as a Narc?

Briefly, it was/is the most corrupt division at my former employer.

Couldn't hold my nose tight enough!!!
We had sergeants plotting the kidnapping of various movie star kids and buying million dollar houses. (that was a lot of money back in the eighties and nineties)

And you are correct, they do allow for a certain amount to be intercepted.

They also will throw a few peons to The Man if they want to keep the focus on a certain sector.
50 posted on 08/26/2006 7:07:36 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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