Skip to comments.BOSNIA: LIKE IT OR LEAVE, SAYS MUSLIM LEADER
Posted on 08/24/2006 2:27:14 PM PDT by kronos77
Sarajevo, 24 August (AKI) - Bosnian Muslim leader Sulejman Tihic has told local Serbs to stop talking about a possible referendum on independence, because Bosnia was indivisible and those who don’t like it should leave the country. Tihic, who currently chairs Bosnia’s three-man rotating state presidency, has been an outspoken advocate of Muslim demands for the abolition of Bosnia’s Serb entity, Republika Srpska (RS). Local Serbs for their part have threatened to hold a referendum on independence. The quarrel prompted the high representative of the international community in Bosnia, Christian Schwarz Schilling, to intervene last week demanding that politicians on both sides should stop “inflammatory rhetoric” ahead of the 1 October general election, adding that calls for abolition of RS and threats of a referendum were equally damaging. -----
But the international community, which safeguards peace in Bosnia, has been stripping entities of state prerogatives in an effort to strengthen central government. Bosnian Serbs, the second biggest ethnic group, have resisted changes, fearing domination by majority Muslims. -----
“Those who don’t like it, who are still dreaming of a failed project of Greater Serbia, or some Serbian state in Bosnia, can go somewhere else, but they can’t take with them an inch of Bosnian territory,” said Tihic.
Instead of heeding Schwarz-Schilling's appeal for calm, political analysts say such bickering is likely to increase, with politicians on both sides appealing to nationalistic passions prior to the October elections.
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Clinton's legacy glows brighter every day.
So, Muslim leader said "Christians can leave Bosnia, on foot"...
What else is new.? Muslims are making Caliphate in Bosnia with EU help, and want Christians out.
I think that it is time to realy separate Christian Republika Srpska from Muslim caliphate
And State departamnt allready stands on Muslim side... again...
A U.S. envoy says Bosnia-Herzegovina is a sovereign state and the Bosnian Serb entity cannot secede.
U.S. Ambassador to Bosnia-Herzegovina Douglas McElhaney said there is no secession for the Bosnian Serb-led Republika Srpska, Belgrade's Beta news agency reported Thursday.
Earlier this summer Bosnian Serbs leaders suggested they could organize an independence referendum to secede from Bosnia-Herzegovina.
With the 1995 Dayton peace accords that ended the Bosnian ethnic wars, the Republika Srpska entity and the Muslim-Croatian federation entity were declared constituent parts of the single state of Bosnia-Herzegovina.
"The status of Bosnia-Herzegovina has been solved. I am not aware of any reference in the constitution about secession or a referendum. That is simply not an option, and if somebody wants to change the constitution, he must have a two-thirds majority in parliament," McElhaney told Bosnian news agencies.
McElhaney said he believes parliamentary elections in October will not bring no major changes, as the essence of elections and democracy is that one group of people are stepping down from power while the others are replacing them.
Tell me about it. I was there.
It's also pretty interesting to note how many of the so-called "neo-conservatives" in the current Bush administration were unabashed supporters of the Clinton administration's policy in the Balkans.
Conservative, my @ss.
My regards(and respect), tell me about it, I wasn't.
And this is the religion of peace and tolerance. My ass!!!!
"those who dont like it should leave the country"
I'm thinking the same thing for our country.
Bosnia -- a Muslim-dominated region -- didn't exist as a separate entity from Yugoslavia until the U.S. formally recognized it as an independent state in 1992.
Thos muslime slugs in Bosnia re no match for Serbs, but US is still keeping its policy of "keeping the terminate ill patient (Bosnia) on life-support"
Same sht did Englant with turtish empire for 100 years thu senslaving Christians
Yes, please tell us about it. We only have one other on the board who was there.
With exception that Muslime is talking of purging 50% of population, e.i. all Christians in order to build himself a nice, small Caliphate...
Your sentiments are correct . . . it's just that the U.S. has had the same idiotic pro-Islamic policy in the Balkans through the last THREE administrations (including the current one).
Nothing to it. Bosnia is communist and supported at least its muslime elements by Saudi Arabia, Al Qaeda, and unfortunatly USA, generaly made up state that consists from Muslims that rules the so called country and some 50% of Christian Serbs that want out of caliphate. Serbs want referendum and sucession from Islamistic central goverment supported by UN and EU.
These muslim people like to say Israel stole their land which is a lie,however the land that was Yugoslavia was invaded and stolen in the middle ages from Christians by muslims but nobody talks about that.If Clinton and the other NATO countries hadn't intervened Milosevic would have finally purged the country of this muslim scum !!!
We wouldn't have had to fight the muslims in Bosnia,just stay out of it since it was a civil war and not our business anyway, and let the Serbs deal with it !!!
This sounds like a truly inspired appoach..........When can we count on the moslims leaving this country?
Thanks to Bill Clinton, the ethnic Albanians are on the march.
The #2 statement in this thread agrees.
Disagree with sentence one, agree with sentence two. However, I honestly believe that we have gotten into the position that we are in, because we have "placated Muslims".
First of all, we have no right to give away a piece of someone else's country, anymore than anyone else (or even our own politicians) have a right to give away a piece of our country in order to "placate the Muslims".
Second of all, Placating them by giving them what they want doesn't work, it simply emboldened Muslims to demand more and more.
Until 9/11, Americans had no idea what Muslims were about -- and to a large extent, they still don't get it -- although they are beginning to. My education is in Behavioral Science and in my opinion, Islam --particularly in its most radical (and perhaps true) form, exhibits many of the same behavioral characteristics as an emotional disorder called "Narcissitic Personality Disorder". The Islamic "go" is a collective one, rather than an individual but the same criteria apply. Here is an amended diagnostic criteria on NPD.:
1. Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);
2. Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
3. Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
4. Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
5. Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
6. Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
7. Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
8. Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration.
9. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
10.Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.
Of course, Moslems justify this behavior because they are "sons of the prophet" or "swords of the prophet", but their ego is a collective monster that when fed continues to grow beyond any and all bounds. Advice: Don't feed the monster, it will just grow larger!
They must be fought.Do you agree?Yes or No?
"A U.S. envoy says Serbia is a sovereign state and the Serbian Albanian entity cannot secede. U.S. Ambassador to Bosnia-Herzegovina Douglas McElhaney said there is no secession for the Serbian Albanian-led Kosovo province, Belgrade's Beta news agency reported Thursday.
Diplomat would be recalled in a jiffy because because support of Bosnian Muslim Jihadists and Albanian terrorists is still the official policy of The United States.
The Islamic Bastards must be fought against.
Fighting against Afghan and Iraqi Al Qaeda and petting Bosnian Islamists is just like Fighting Hitler and petting Mussolinni and Hirohito!
Nothing to tell.
Albania is pretty cold in November.
Maps are a good thing to have, and we didn't have them.
Radios are good, too. And we didn't have them. Well, we had them, but they didn't work. The ones that worked didn't communicate with the zoomies, which was stupid because we were largely just targeting for them.
Oh, and General Clark is an f'ing idiot.
That said, happy it didn't work out, as we were fighting on the wrong side.
That pretty well covers it.
I typed my belief in #20 and I stand by it. This is not a war that is even scalable to past ones. I don't want to be on the losing side.
Yes, but "how" is the question.
1.Commit genocide and wipe every Muslim off the face of the earth.
We will never do this. 75% of the US would choke long before we even got started, and rightly so because it would change "who we are" and not for the better.
2. Commit ethnic cleansing. Send every Muslem back to the ME from where Islam was conceived and make them stay there -- never again setting foot in Europe or the US.
Our European ancestors already did this so that we wouldn't have to, but time and stupidity were irresistable and we let them in again. A big problem is that so many immigrant Muslims have been in the US and Europe for so long, that generations have been been born in the West. Who in their right mind would deport born US citizens, even if they are Muslim, to a country that they didn't come from and perhaps had never seen before? Not going to happen, and if it did, what's to stop the government from doing the same to you or me if the time comes that they don't like what we believe?
3. Hold on to what we have right now and do not give Muslims an inch more of ground that we don't have to. Halt US immigration from Islamic countries. Enshrine our language and values right now and don't change a bit. Encourage American and Euro couples to have as many children as possible.
Option #3 is as close as we will ever come to "fighting the Moslems" and it is highly doubtful that we will ever even go this far, because no politican will have the stomache to promote a program like this. It would be called "chauvinistic, nationalistic, racist and genocidal" by the MSM.
Either Washington has a hidden agenda or its foreign policy is shaped by idiots who don't understand either Islam or the lengths the Islamofascists will go to to get what they deem they deserve.
I was there in 2000-2001. I found the Serbs in RS to be quite friendly in most cases. In some cases they were at worst defiant of the intervention, but rarely did I hear of hostilities.
The Bosnian Muslims I met were equally friendly, and seemed quite thankful for the intervention. Most of the Bosnian Muslims I spoke with told me they are secular. I even had a Bosnian Serb, who was the interpretor for our unit, tell me the same thing (about the Bosnian Muslims). They are very much Europeans, being that Yugoslavia was a very open country and the Bosnians more considered themselves Yugoslavians than Bosnian Muslims.
We did have a couple of incidents involving Serbs. One, where a Serb was being arrested and attempted to throw a grenade at some of our troops, only to blow himself up with it. And our Joint Operations headquarters was regularly attacked by RPG and small arms fire.
All in all, I came away more disheartened that the two sides probably would take a long time to reconcile, if ever. It looks now like my prediction is correct.
Thanks for sharing that. I must admit that I hoped and prayed that guys like you would never have to go there and get in the middle of that, because longrun I don't think that either side will ever "thank us" for getting involved -- although individuals might.
Bosnian Muslims, as a whole, were "pretty European", which is what made this all such a shame. A moderate Bosnian Muslim named Fikret Abdic even got the most votes for the presidency before the war. But for some unknown reason, Abdic stepped aside and the radical Muslim, Alija Izetbegovic took his place. Abdic even formed an Army to fight Izetbegovic and Abdic made peace with the Serbs. But once again, for some unknown reason, the West supported Izetbegovic against Abdic. From then on, it all went downhill fast. Politically, we couldn't have made a bigger mess and too many people had to die.
I don't think that the Serbs and Muslims can ever live together again, which is why "a country" called "Bosnia Hercegovina" (which had never been a country before)will never be functional. Especially since those Arab mujahadin have moved in, aided by the Saudis and helped radicalize many formerly secularized Muslims.
But for Tihic to tell Serbs, who owned 60% of the land before the war (because they were farmers, not city people like the Muslims) to get with the program or get out, is pretty stunning. I predict another war there soon -- especially if the internationals try to give away Kosovo, too.
You know, for the last 14 years the West (especially Clinton) has continually said that they want "peace in the Balkans" and yet has made every move most likely to cause war. I don't get it -- the US can't be that politically incompetent, can we?
The Russians did good thing. I belive their recepie should be wildlez used>
Send specnaz, if they can`t get them, blast target with guns, airplanes etc. Oh, how terrible Chechens were! but confronted to groosome force thez simpley were blasted. Russians didn`t commited genocide, yed they destroyed Chechenia and any hope of islamist for succession.
Islamists are fanatics, not stupid. Total anihilation is no option to them. You can`t serve Allah if you are dead.
...You can`t serve Allah if you are dead....
That gives me an idea... naaaaahhhh.. someone might see it as genocide....
Not sure how you can call our Balkans policy "pro-Islamic" when you look at the results. When the first President Bush took office, Yugoslavia was still a communist country, no ally of the USA, and a way-station for terrorists such as Mohammed Abbas of Achille Lauro infamy. Albania was an isolationist, brutal communist dictatorship.
Now, what started as Yugoslavia--communist, atheist, hostile to America--has turned into six nation-states; all with democratic governments: Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and Macedonia. Five of those six are primarily Christian. Four(Slovenia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Croatia) to include the only one with a Muslim majority (Bosnia), have troops allied with the USA in Afghanistan and/or Iraq. Albania is also now a democracy and a staunch US ally; one of the first to contribute troops to both Iraq & Afghanistan; and opens its air & land & sea-space for our military to train.
So explain again how US Balkans policy which has produced democracy for millions, several Christian majority nations, and a group of allies for the USA in the war against Islamic terrorism is "pro-Islamic."
AS YOU WERE! None, to include Bosnia, have a Muslim majority--Bosnia has a Muslim plurality: "Religions: Muslim (40%); Orthodox (31%); Catholic (15%); Protestant (4%); other (10%). In fact, at 31% + 15% + 4%; the Christian proportion of the population is 50% making it the predominant religion in Bosnia, also.
Don't be ridiculous, Mark. Yugoslavia was socialist and on it's way to democracy anyway. Between Yito's death and the collapse of the Soviet Union, Yugoslav communism had already transitioned to socialism. The same reformers who eventually threw out Milosevic, would have simply done it sooner if there had been no wars. And the only time that "Yugoslavia was hostile to the US" was when Tito was alive, and ironically the US gave Tito strongest support. The Serbs had always be pro-US.
Bosnia and Croatia's wartime presidents, Izetbegovic & Tudjman, were NAZIs -- plain and simple. Izetbegovic had been an Islamofascist during WWII and continued to be one until his death. Tudjman thanked God that his "wife was neither a Serb nor a Jew" and this is his legacy to future generations of Croats.
" Yugoslavia....was.. a way-station for terrorists such as Mohammed Abbas of Achille Lauro infamy.
And Bosnia, where Abbas was hidden from authorities, still is "a way station for terrorists" -- or more acurately described in the PBS documentary, "a pipeline for Al Qaida forces going to fight in Iraq" The difference is that there is no control to stop these Islamofascists anymore, because the Muslims in Bosnia are in control for now -- until the next war comes.
Your argument is intellectually appealing, however in the real world and on the ground, it makes absolutely no sense. All we have done is to empower the cultural enemies of our way of life and cause a bloodletting that hadn't been seen since WWII in the process.
BiH is a haven for quiet AQ-styled cells, training ground and safe haven for AQ-themed cells.
The only reason why "Albania" sent any troops was to recieve kickbacks from the US Govt..i.e open porous borders etc...
Did you fail to mention what the SFOR troops on the ground says about the three ethnic groups? To keep it short...muslims=bad...Serbs=good, very cooperative and they recieve the most useable intel from them. Croats=criminals/bad...
The Italian Cannarberie or whatever they call themselves despise the Croats and muslims... might be due to the fact they go out and roll them up for criminal activity that finances their weapons arsenal buildup...i.e the croats sends up a girl to the main gates to chat up with the guards...knows when the birds head out to forewarn...the croats also simply cut wires that disrupt immediate power and gives them a distraction for their activity... imagine that.
I'm beginning to miss Arkan and the Tigers, as at their possible worst but stripped of the propaganda charges heaped on them by their enemies, they were still the lesser of two evils.
And they did indeed know how to cause their enemies to weep.
Excellent summary of MNPD "Muslim Narcissistic Personality Disorder"...... I agree that this problem seems to be very widespread if not universal in the Islamic world. A lot stems from the absurd Koranic pronouncements about Islam taking over the world, etc. It is comparable to the ambitions of a Hitler or Stalin, even worse in some ways since the entire religion is built around this nonsense.
All the borders are porous in that area--it's why the "Balkans Route" is famous for smuggling. Having said that, it is true that Albania is a favored smuggling nexus. The Albanian government does not "allow free reign ... and free access," but the combination of weak and inefficient law enforcement, corruption, and long rugged land & sea borders makes it a pretty attractive path to travel for those who don't want what they are doing to be checked.
Because al Qaeda owns the KLA and the Dhimmi stooges who support it.