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The Good News About Nuclear Destruction
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | August 24th, 2006 | Shane Connor

Posted on 08/24/2006 4:37:54 PM PDT by shanec

The good news about nuclear destruction


Posted: August 24, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Shane Connor

What possible good news could there ever be about nuclear destruction coming to America, whether it is dirty bombs, terrorist nukes or ICBMs from afar?

In a word, they are all survivable for the vast majority of American families, if they know what to do beforehand and have made even the most modest preparations.

Tragically, though, most Americans today won't give much credence to this good news, much less seek out such vital life-saving instruction, as they have been jaded by our culture's pervasive myths of nuclear un-survivability.

Most people think that if nukes go off, then everybody is going to die, or will wish they had. That's why you hear such absurd comments as: "If it happens, I hope I'm at ground zero and go quickly."

This defeatist attitude was born as the disarmament movement ridiculed any alternatives to their agenda. The sound Civil Defense strategies of the '60s have been derided as being largely ineffective, or at worst a cruel joke. With the supposed end of the Cold War in the '80s, most Americans neither saw a need to prepare, nor believed that preparation would do any good. Today, with growing prospects of nuclear terrorism, we see emerging among the public either paralyzing fear or irrational denial. People can no longer envision effective preparations for surviving a nuclear attack.

In fact, though, the biggest surprise for most Americans, if nukes are really unleashed, is that they will still be here!

Most will survive the initial blasts because they won't be close enough to any "ground zero," and that is very good news. Unfortunately, few people will be prepared to survive the coming radioactive fallout, which will eventually kill many times more than the blast. However, there is still more good news: Well over 90 percent of the potential casualties from fallout can be avoided if the public is pre-trained through an aggressive national Civil Defense educational program. Simple measures taken immediately after a nuclear blast, by a trained public, can prevent agonizing death and injury from radiation.

The National Planning Scenario No. 1, an originally confidential internal 2004 study by the Department of Homeland Security, demonstrated the above survival odds when they examined the effects of a terrorist nuke going off in Washington, D.C. They discovered that a 10 kiloton nuke, about two-thirds the size of the Hiroshima bomb, detonated at ground level, would result in about 15,000 immediate deaths and another 15,000 casualties from the initial blast, thermal flash and radiation release. As horrific as that is, the surprising revelation here is that over 99 percent of the residents in the D.C. area will have just witnessed and survived their first nuclear explosion. Clearly, the good news is most people will survive the initial blast.

The study also determined that another 250,000 people would soon be at risk from lethal doses of radiation from the fallout drifting downwind toward them after the blast. These much larger casualty numbers are avoidable, and that's more good news, but only for those pre-trained by a Civil Defense program in what to do before it arrives.

Another study, released this month by the Rand Corporation, looked at a terrorist 10-kiloton nuke arriving in a cargo container and being exploded in the Port of Long Beach, Calif. Over 150,000 people were estimated to be at risk downwind from fallout, again, many more than from the initial blast itself.

Today, lacking any meaningful Civil Defense program, millions of American families continue to be at risk and could perish needlessly for lack of essential knowledge that used to be taught at the grade school level.

The public urgently needs to be instructed in Civil Defense basics, like the good news that thousands can be saved employing the old "Duck and Cover" tactic, without which most people will instead run to the nearest window to see what the big flash was just in time to be shredded by the glass imploding inward from the shock wave. They need to know when promptly evacuating, doing so perpendicular to the coming downwind drift of the fallout would be their best strategy. They must also be taught how to effectively shelter in place for a brief time while the radioactive fallout loses 90 percent of it's lethal intensity in the first seven hours and 99 percent of it in two days. For those requiring sheltering from fallout, the majority would only need a couple or three days of hunkering down, not weeks on end.

This good news is within easy grasp of most people because an effective improvised family fallout shelter can be put together at home both cheaply and quickly, but only if the public is trained beforehand, as was begun in the '60s with our national Civil Defense program.

Unfortunately, our government today is doing little to promote nuclear preparedness and Civil Defense instruction among the general public. Regrettably, most of our officials, like the public, are still captive to the same illusions that training and preparation are ineffective against a nuclear threat.

Department of Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff demonstrated this attitude last year when he responded to the following question in USA Today:

Q: In the last four years, the most horrific scenario – a nuclear attack – may be the least discussed. If there were to be a nuclear attack tomorrow by terrorists on an American city, how would it be handled?

A: In the area of a nuclear bomb, it's prevention, prevention, prevention. If a nuclear bomb goes off, you are not going to be able to protect against it. There's no city strong enough infrastructure-wise to withstand such a hit. No matter how you approach it, there'd be a huge loss of life.

Mr. Chertoff fails to grasp that most of that "huge loss of life" is preventable if the survivors of the blast and those downwind knew what to do beforehand. He only acknowledges that the infrastructure will be severely compromised – responders won't be responding. Civil Defense training of the public is clearly the only hope for those in the fallout path. Of course, the government should try and prevent it happening first, but the answer he should have given to that question is: "preparation, preparation, preparation" for when prevention might fail.

The federal government must launch a national mass media, business-supported and even school-based effort, superseding our most ambitious public awareness campaigns like for AIDS, drug abuse, drunk driving, seat belts, anti-smoking and smoke detectors. The effort should percolate down to every level of our society. Let's be clear – we are talking about the potential to save, or lose, many times more lives than those saved by all these other noble efforts combined!

Instead, Homeland Security continues to be focused primarily on two missions:

The most important mission has been largely ignored:

This tragic and deadly oversight won't change until the crippling myths of nuclear un-survivability are banished by the good news that a trained and prepared public can, and ultimately has to, save themselves.

National Civil Defense is an issue we hope and pray will come to the forefront politically this fall, with both parties vying to outdo each other in proposing aggressive Civil Defense educational programs. We are not asking billions for provisioned public fallout shelters for all, like what already awaits many of our politicians. We are just asking for a comprehensive mass media, business- and school-based re-release of the proven practical strategies of Civil Defense education, similar to what already has been embraced by the Chinese, Russians, Swiss, Israelis and even Singapore.

In the meantime, though, don't wait around for the government to instruct and prepare your own family and community. Educate yourself today and begin establishing your own nuclear survival preparations by reading the free nuke prep primer "What To Do If A Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent!"

Then pass copies on to friends, neighbors, relatives, churches and even local news media – and to your local elected representatives – with a brief note attached saying simply: "We hope/pray we never need this, but just in case, read it now, and keep it close for later on!" You might also forward them a copy of this article to help spread the good news that's liberating American's from the deadly myths of nuclear un-survivability!


Shane Connor is the CEO of www.ki4u.com and www.nukalert.com, consultants and developers of Civil Defense solutions to government, military, private organizations and individual families.


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1 posted on 08/24/2006 4:37:59 PM PDT by shanec
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To: shanec

BTTT !!


2 posted on 08/24/2006 4:40:22 PM PDT by musicman
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To: musicman

Thanks.


3 posted on 08/24/2006 4:45:50 PM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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To: shanec

Thanks!
I'm going to your booklet now.

You will have probably saved my kids. Bless you.


4 posted on 08/24/2006 4:46:13 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: shanec

BOOKMARK Thanks!


5 posted on 08/24/2006 4:49:18 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: shanec
Pets, and what to do about them, is a tough call. Letting dogs run free is not a humane option, both for their potential to die a miserable death from radiation exposure outside and/or to be a danger to others, especially if they get diseased and/or run in the inevitable packs of multitudes of other abandoned pets. Caring for them is ideal, if truly realistic and not a drain on limited resources, while 'putting them down' might eventually become a painful, but necessary reality.

There's a lot of horses and cattle around where I live too. No way to protect them from fallout. I prefer prevention. Missile defense, border enforcement and a really rigorous terrorist profiling program at all points of entry. And, if necessary, torture captured terrorists to find out their plans. One nuclear detonation inside the US would be so much worse than anybody can imagine, stopping it is worth whatever it takes to get the job done.

6 posted on 08/24/2006 4:57:12 PM PDT by Argus
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To: shanec
This article ignores the EMP damage to everything electronic. Our cars (except those old 57 Chevys), TVs, Radios, telephones, computers, and more will be inoperable. Cars might be fixable, but what happens to commerce. What happens to all those banks with their servers and electronic data. Will records of savings and investments disappear?
7 posted on 08/24/2006 4:58:07 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: shanec

"This defeatist attitude was born as the disarmament movement ridiculed any alternatives to their agenda. The sound Civil Defense strategies of the '60s have been derided as being largely ineffective, or at worst a cruel joke. With the supposed end of the Cold War in the '80s, most Americans neither saw a need to prepare, nor believed that preparation would do any good."




I have a small collection of civil defense literature.

The 1960 material is written as from one adult to another, it is direct, efficient, and effective.

The 1980 material is simple, non informative gibberish that talks down to the reader and gives almost no practical information.


8 posted on 08/24/2006 4:58:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: shanec

bookmark


9 posted on 08/24/2006 5:00:19 PM PDT by VirginiaMom (Kofi Annan is the crud on the underbelly of a maggot.)
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To: shanec
"Caring for them is ideal, if truly realistic and not a drain on limited resources, while 'putting them down' might eventually become a painful, but necessary reality."

Maybe it's just me (and a few hundred million Asians) but in that situation, my dog might just be sacrificed for the sake of the family.
10 posted on 08/24/2006 5:01:36 PM PDT by ndt
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To: All

NEEDS MORE COWBELL!!!


11 posted on 08/24/2006 5:03:03 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: shanec

Unfortunately, there is a critical lack of education on such an event.

I've studied this topic ad naseum in the last six years. The number two problem, after casualties, will be the resultant panic which will ensue because of lack of education.

If anyone is interested in founding a national civilian education and civil defense leadership organization, please contact me to brainstorm some ideas. I have a few positive key ideas which can be put into practice both before and after the worst case scenario.


12 posted on 08/24/2006 5:03:21 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel ("Hello Mullah. Hello Fatwa. Little Billy. Not Sinatra.")
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To: shanec

It's true. It would take a long time to recover, but the people would be able to if they want to.


13 posted on 08/24/2006 5:05:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: shanec

Gee, all that good news in one article.

I am simply overcome.


14 posted on 08/24/2006 5:07:49 PM PDT by Prost1 ((We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!"))
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Would that include my crank radio?


15 posted on 08/24/2006 5:08:57 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: ansel12

can you scan the 1960's material to .doc or .pdf?


16 posted on 08/24/2006 5:13:16 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: ansel12

I have an old army medical nuclear injury triage manual. That is the real deal. Basically, if you get sick quickly or immediately you are a goner. If you slowly get sick over three days you will recover.


17 posted on 08/24/2006 5:16:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Argus

Some suggestions on keeping your Livestock, Farm, Crops & Land Safe from Fallout are here...

http://www.radshelters4u.com/index3.htm#7


18 posted on 08/24/2006 5:21:57 PM PDT by shanec
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To: netmilsmom

You mean we can survive? How comew the President didn't tell us?

It's all Bush's fault.


19 posted on 08/24/2006 5:23:46 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("If you liked what Liberal Leadership did for Israel, you'll LOVE what it can do for America!")
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To: shanec
This defeatist attitude was born as the disarmament movement ridiculed any alternatives to their agenda. The sound Civil Defense strategies of the '60s have been derided as being largely ineffective, or at worst a cruel joke. With the supposed end of the Cold War in the '80s, most Americans neither saw a need to prepare, nor believed that preparation would do any good. Today, with growing prospects of nuclear terrorism, we see emerging among the public either paralyzing fear or irrational denial. People can no longer envision effective preparations for surviving a nuclear attack.

Apples and oranges comparison. Your logic in saying that the "hype and fear" were unfounded in the 60's-80's is weak. The nuclear threat in the time between the 50's and 80's was one of massive, mutual detonations of warheads. THAT would have made survival chances very slim. Today, it's Abdul with a suitcase bomb, a couple hundred thousand might die. In the cold war scenario, a quick death would have been the preferred alternative. Today, it's simply a matter of hoping you're not in the vicinity or downwind of a suitcase nuke or dirty bomb.
20 posted on 08/24/2006 5:36:41 PM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
"This article ignores the EMP damage to everything electronic..."

Not entirely; read the guide, it refers to how to protect your radios. Concerning your financial accounts: "Will records of savings and investments disappear?" You bet! Keep hard copies of all your current important documents, which will make recovering your records by the banks, etc. easier. BTW don't expect your insurance to cover any damage or other casualty losses you may incur. (Act of war, terrorism clauses)

21 posted on 08/24/2006 5:45:48 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA NECCES EST!)
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Best single nuke prep book, IMO, is "Nuclear War Survival Skills" published originally by Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Free on-line copy is here...

http://www.ki4u.com/free_book/s73p904.htm


22 posted on 08/24/2006 5:48:56 PM PDT by shanec
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To: shanec

There was a site that showed the blast radius of various bombs. Assuming that most terror nukes probably wouldn't go higher than 10kt ground blasts, most any large city would not be totally "destroyed".

Experts in this stuff know that terrorists and rouge nations would go for financial centers and symbolic targets, like the WH and Wall Street. 5 or 6 well placed nukes going off at once would probably bring a nation to its knees economically, followed shortly by the entire developed world. This is the nightmare scenario that terrorists want to carry out. Urban civilization as we know it would be at risk. Just as other civilizations have been attacked and crumbled in the face of new military technology and internal strife, so ours would be under threat in the wake of such an attack, as remaining cities were evacuated or abandoned and political and economic structures reorganized themselves or completely collapsed.

However, by demonstrating fortitude, determination and creativity in attacking organized terror worldwide, this is an entirely avoidable outcome. Attacking finances, organizations and worldwide political support structures as we are now is the only effective way.

Any military expert would say that a good offence is the best defense against this type of aggression, since there are simply too many ways to breech the walls of any given security structure with compact weapons and abundant targets.

GW gets briefed on the likelyhood of this type of attack regularly and this scenario drives much of US policy at the moment, like it or not.


23 posted on 08/24/2006 5:53:21 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Cindy

WOT thread?


24 posted on 08/24/2006 6:02:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Wiseghy
From www.radshelters4u.com

The following four drawings show what level of blast damage (at different psi overpressure) and fire ignition from the thermal pulse might be expected for different strength nuclear explosions (both ground and air bursts) at different distances from ground zero. Take note of the damage range distances from GZ - ground zero. (Courtesy of Nuclear Attack Environment Handbook, FEMA - August, 1990)

Nuclear Blast Distance Effects

Nuclear Blast Distance Effects

Nuclear Blast Distance Effects

Nuclear Blast Distance Effects

Obviously, the bigger the weapon yield the larger the area of overpressure damage from the blast wave. But, notice that the damage range does not increase in a linear fashion with the more powerful explosions. For instance, comparing the 200 KT air burst with the five times more powerful 1 MT air burst, the range of moderate damage and initial fires increased from only 4.3 miles to 7.3 miles. This is because the reach of blast and fire effects varies as the cube root of the weapon yield ratio and the cube root of 5 is 1.71. So, instead of a five-fold increase or 500% we have only about a 70% increase in this comparison.

A readily portable terrorist nuclear bomb would likely be only a fraction as powerful as the examples above, but for reference, the Hiroshima nuclear bomb was only a 15KT air burst. (The RA-115 backpack nukes reported missing from Russian stockpiles are one kiloton yield each, and they would most likely be surface exploded.)

25 posted on 08/24/2006 6:08:31 PM PDT by shanec
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To: shanec

When people asked him what we could do about the bomb, Brother Dave Gardner used to say, "Don't make no difference.... as long as you can say, "What was that?"


26 posted on 08/24/2006 6:28:09 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: netmilsmom

'Would that include my crank radio?',p.

Timely question. Just about two hours ago my spouse presented me with this really cool crank radio.


27 posted on 08/24/2006 6:45:37 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: shanec

Shane C ,, Thanks for posting this here. It will get a lot of exposure at this time of day.

epaul


28 posted on 08/24/2006 6:56:16 PM PDT by epaul
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To: shanec

Thanks for the timely post.


29 posted on 08/24/2006 7:00:59 PM PDT by PioneerDrive (cursing the darkness)
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To: shanec

The keys to survival, shelter, food, water, firearms and ammo. Iodine tablets could spare you from radiation sickness. Forget about life as it was pre blast. it will be every man for himself. Every day that relief aid fails to come, people will get more desperate. They will KILL for your food and water. Anarchy will prevail so it is imparitive that you stay put and not travel. Do not place yourself in a position where you may have to share your provisions with neighbors or friends.

As for any disaster drill, people should know by now that FEMA will not come running to save you. You will have to save yourself. And the best plan to save yourself is lay low, be prepared to shoot intruders dead, and protect your provisions.


30 posted on 08/24/2006 7:20:45 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (ELECT SOME WORKERS AND REMOVE THE JERKERS!.)
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To: shanec

Nuclear winter will offset global warming!


31 posted on 08/24/2006 7:48:02 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: RightWhale

"I have an old army medical nuclear injury triage manual. That is the real deal. Basically, if you get sick quickly or immediately you are a goner. If you slowly get sick over three days you will recover."



I love that kind of real world usable guideline for the layman.

It is annoying to continually find modern survival info that consists of non-committal info you would tell your 7 year old daughter, like make sure you have fresh batteries, and write down the number of the Red Cross, and keep some blankets, if the nuclear blast is close by, tell someone in authority, etc.



32 posted on 08/24/2006 7:50:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: shanec
Bttt.

5.56mm

33 posted on 08/24/2006 7:51:26 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: MD_Willington_1976

I googled "1961 civil defense pamphlet" with out quotes, and found a lot of interesting stuff.

This site had an 8 page pamhlet from (I think) 1955.

http://www.mbe.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/facts_fallout.htm


34 posted on 08/24/2006 8:09:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: RightWhale
"If you slowly get sick over three days you will recover ..." to die of cancer in a year or three. Chernobyl anyone?
35 posted on 08/24/2006 8:19:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: shanec

bttt


36 posted on 08/24/2006 8:22:14 PM PDT by Peace Is Coming
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles; netmilsmom
"...'Would that include my crank radio?',p. ..."

Anything solid-state, i.e. transister, integrated circuit, etc.,(probably the crank radio) is toast from the EMP.

Tube-type radios and TV's would work, but require lotsa electricity. .............FRegards

37 posted on 08/24/2006 8:27:04 PM PDT by gonzo (Sex!!..................................You're never to old to watch...)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Store your crank radio in an old ammo can, bond the lid to the body of the can with a soldered wire. MAybe if it has a SW band you can hear something after a few days.

I keep an old Army rig around (GRC-109 w/GN 58) but I doubt I'll have anyone to talk with - scintillation effect and all.
38 posted on 08/24/2006 9:18:26 PM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: shanec

Also found here:
http://www.oism.org/nwss/ updated in 1987

http://www.areyouprepared.com/nuclear-survival/s43.htm

and from our 'friends overseas - http://www.yespakistan.com/nuke/11steps.asp

enjoy, it makes for interesting reading on a clod winter night. Try not to have too many nightmares.


39 posted on 08/24/2006 9:24:34 PM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Here is an excellent one fron January 1951, I think it takes that adult tone we mentioned.

http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/archive/SurvivalBooklet.html


40 posted on 08/24/2006 9:29:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: MHGinTN

""If you slowly get sick over three days you will recover ..." to die of cancer in a year or three. Chernobyl anyone?"

Remember that was a military booklet which means the emphasis is on your ability to fight after the event.

For troops in the field the standard for what is considered survival is different than for a civilian, many of us here remember what it was like to be a NATO troop in the Cold war, the purpose was to slow the assault while dying in place, hoping enough ships and aircraft would survive the crossing in time to save the remains of Western Europe.


41 posted on 08/24/2006 9:37:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: shanec
This defeatist attitude was born as the disarmament movement ridiculed any alternatives to their agenda. The sound Civil Defense strategies of the '60s have been derided as being largely ineffective, or at worst a cruel joke.

The 60s civil defense programs WERE an ineffective joke against the threat (a full strike from the Soviet nuclear arsenal) faced at the time. That doesn't mean that there's no point in trying to come up with a plan that would reduce the damage if some al-Kookba cell manages to cobble up a homebrew WMD.

By yielding to the temptation to settle an old grudge with a hearty nyah-nyah, the author severely weakens his case.

42 posted on 08/24/2006 9:40:15 PM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: shanec

Thanks indeed.


43 posted on 08/24/2006 9:48:22 PM PDT by parisa
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To: ansel12
Wow! I collect CD material as well. Care to share, swap or trade?

(Here's a graphic I "borrowed" from a very good website.)

44 posted on 08/24/2006 9:54:40 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: shanec

BTTT


45 posted on 08/24/2006 9:56:43 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: shanec

Excellent resource.


46 posted on 08/24/2006 10:06:52 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
This article ignores the EMP damage to everything electronic. Our cars (except those old 57 Chevys), TVs, Radios, telephones, computers, and more will be inoperable. Cars might be fixable, but what happens to commerce. What happens to all those banks with their servers and electronic data. Will records of savings and investments disappear?

Not all nuclear blasts generate EMP. A ground-based terrorist bomb will generate little if any EMP. It takes a high-altitude burst to generate strong EMP.

47 posted on 08/24/2006 10:18:53 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: shanec
Get yourself a NUKALERT (I carry mine with me at all times) and several bottles of potassium iodide or potassium iodate (the latter digest more easily, but you need to take more of it). The stuff isn't that expensive. Keep some in your car, some in your medicine chest, some in your suitcase.

The KI or KIO3 is protective ONLY against radioactive iodine, but that's one of the most dangerous components of fallout. It gets absorbed by the thyroid gland. Saturating your body with non-radioactive iodine beforehand protects you.

48 posted on 08/24/2006 10:27:19 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: o_zarkman44
wrong ...

The rest of what you wrote sounded reasonable to me, but the above quote seems wrong to me. Iodine tablets have a very localized affect - reducing the amount of radioactive iodine that gets to your thyroid gland, so reducing your chances of thyroid cancer years later. The other 99.99% of your body gets zilch, zip, zero, nada protection from the iodine. Your short term risks of radiation sickness or resulting death are unaffected by the iodine.

49 posted on 08/24/2006 10:50:16 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: shanec

I should probably keep my mouth shut because everybody needs a reason to try to survive, and most people will survive the initial attack. However, if you’re within a short distance of a large body of water like Chicago and Lake Michigan or cities around the Gulf of Mexico (or New York or LA), you can forget it.

The terrorists don’t need to place a bomb on the top of the Sears Tower (which is well guarded), but instead place it on the bottom of the lake (or Gulf or whatever) which can’t be guarded. Draining the lake (or whatever) insures a much higher kill ratio than a ground or air burst and bomb shelters only make it convenient to find the bodies once the water recedes.

Citizens of Chicago, LA, New York, go ahead and vote for appeasers, it takes about 4-5 minutes to drown, you can repent your sins during that time.

If anybody thinks that I’m giving the enemy ideas, my dad (a certified nuclear shelter inspector) told me about this in the early 60’s. That’s the reason our family never lived near a large body of water.

When I talk to people about this subject they invariably ask me what provisions that I have to survive. I tell them that I have a good battle rifle. They always say that that’s nice but what will I eat? I just ask them “what do you have”? It takes a minute or two, but you can tell when they understand.


50 posted on 08/24/2006 11:05:13 PM PDT by Rubber_Nose
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