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Debbie Stabenow leads Michael Bouchard by 9 points in MI
Survey USA ^ | August 22, 2006

Posted on 08/24/2006 6:49:39 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

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To: apackof2

I can believe their members are not happy. And I can believe the unions are losing political clout. But they started from a very, very high level of clout in Michigan, so my hunch is they need to lose more clout before we'll win another Senate race there. I do think DeVos has a chance, but he will have a hell of a tough time winning.


61 posted on 08/25/2006 11:55:41 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: TWohlford

Yeah, that's one good example.


62 posted on 08/25/2006 11:56:26 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot
"I'm aware that Michigan is a two-party state. Just saying that the Republicans aren't in especially good shape in statewide races, due mainly to 70 years of union propaganda. Partisanship is most powerful in Senate races, and the state's Rat majority, plus incumbency, plus a bad national climate for Republicans make it impossible to beat Stabenow this year."

Michigan's House and Senate is dominated by Republicans by a wide margin. Just because its listed as a "Blue" state doesn't mean its anything close to the liberal blue states.

The RAT cities are losing their population and clout at blinding speed.
Michigan is nothing like California, Maine, Oregon, etc.
63 posted on 08/26/2006 4:52:24 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: Common Tator

Only 25%? That sounds like a lot of people. Immigration will affect more and more Americans as time goes by.

But anyway, I don't necessarily dispute what you say, but that begs the question of why then are poll numbers so dismal for so many Republicans. With a mostly sound, strong economy, why is President Bush struggling to reach 40% approval? Why are there so many vulnerable Republican seats, and apparently so few Democrat ones?

I know some of it is very state specific. Had Burns retired and gotten out of the way for Representative Rehberg, then Montana would be safe. DeWine is suffering from the stink and taint that super-RINO Gov Taft has put on all Republicans in Ohio. But even still, I'm at a bit of a loss to explain why things look so bleak w/o the Iraq and gas factor. With gas prices, I think its not necessarily people buying the Dem line that the oil companies are gouging us because they have Bush in his pocket, but rather that it just puts people in a sour mood, and they want to take it out on someone.


And yeah, I realize that part of the problem with the economy is that the media will not endlessly hype how good it is like they did for Clinton, or would do for any Democrat were they now President.


64 posted on 08/26/2006 9:47:06 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: Beagle8U

That's a Republican gerrymander, isn't it? Plus, Democratic votes are often wasted anyway in legislative elections, because Rats are often more concentrated than Republicans. If Detroit, Flint, etc., have 80 percent Rat districts, and the Republican areas have 55-percent Republican districts, the Republican voters are spread out more efficiently, and therefore elect more legislators than their statewide percentage would suggest.

Those are the ways in which you can get a Republican legislature, and/or congressional delegation, in a state that tilts toward the Rats in statewide races. Another big factor is simply that Stabenow is the incumbent, and, unlike the governor, isn't held at all responsible for Michigan's economic death spiral. So the vote is determined by name recognition, union endorsements, and ideology.


65 posted on 08/26/2006 12:10:59 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Beagle8U

About Michigan's future, you may have a good point. But it doesn't really matter if Detroit is losing population, if Detroit people are simply moving out to the cheaper burbs.
They still vote.


66 posted on 08/26/2006 12:12:52 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot

"About Michigan's future, you may have a good point. But it doesn't really matter if Detroit is losing population, if Detroit people are simply moving out to the cheaper burbs.
They still vote."

True, they vote, but if their vote is one of the 33% RAT votes, it wont mean much.

PS: The burbs aren't cheaper.



67 posted on 08/26/2006 12:24:32 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: California Patriot

"the cheaper burbs" LOL. Tell that to the folks who live in Grosse Pointe and some of the more exclusive areas-and not so exclusive areas nowadays....


68 posted on 08/28/2006 8:34:05 AM PDT by kcbc2001
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To: kcbc2001

It should be obvious I didn't mean all suburbs. I meant the kind of suburbs that Detroiters would be able to move to -- "the cheaper" ones. Sheesh.


69 posted on 08/28/2006 2:05:21 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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