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Baby boom... and bust
BBC News ^ | August 17, 2006 | Brenden O'Neill

Posted on 08/26/2006 6:16:15 AM PDT by billorites

Baby boomers like to trumpet their generation's achievements. But their fondness for conspicuous consumption and foreign travel has led to many a modern-day ill, from rising debt to environmental woes.

This week, former US President Bill Clinton - perhaps the archetypal baby boomer - turns 60.

With his penchant for playing sax, feeling everyone's pain, and his admission that he flirted with marijuana (without inhaling), Clinton has come to symbolise the generation born between 1946 and 1964 who shook up Western society.

Now, as the boomers become "ageing hipsters", we're constantly being reminded of their achievements.

They gave us rock 'n' roll (which might explain the recent book, Baby Boomers and Hearing Loss), mod cons, the space race, computer science, and a rebellious disregard for the stiff-upper-lipped attitudes of earlier generations.

But did the baby boomers also leave behind a negative, even destructive legacy?

With their thirst for "stuff" - bigger houses, better cars, tastier grub - did they give rise to a culture of selfish consumption?

And by challenging old-fashioned moralism, did they inadvertently nurture a climate of promiscuity - even fuelling the spread of STDs?

Children of the revolution

The term "baby boomer" refers to those born during the period of increased birth rates when economic prosperity rose in many Western countries following World War II - during the relative peace and prosperity that followed the ravages of conflict and preceded the economic downturn of the 1970s.

They're probably best known for opposing the Vietnam War, having a relaxed attitude to sex 'n' drugs, and trying out less authoritarian methods of parenting.

But they're also, says US newspaper columnist Lewis W Diuguid, the "greediest generation".

"I am a baby boomer, born in 1955. My generation typifies today's excessive consumption," he says.

"We live in oversized homes in the suburbs, drive an excessive number of miles to our jobs in the cities, and we go on extravagant vacations. My generation wants it all, whatever the cost."

Diuguid says his generation has a worrying "sense of entitlement".

"My parents' generation lived in the Depression; they ate sparsely and recreated spartanly. But the Boomers think they should be given everything on a platter."

This uber-consumerism has contributed to today's environmental degradation, he says, where over-use of fossil fuels and over-production of carbon seems to be heating the planet.

"In the United States, we consume a grossly disproportionate amount of the world's energy, and the planet can't sustain it. We've become dependent on fossil fuel-generated amenities. We're too busy digging our own graves to reassess our lifestyles."

R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

Others argue that the boomers caused social breakdown, by challenging traditional roles and relationships and championing personal experimentation and sexual liberation. This, they argue, has undermined the "culture of respect" necessary to run society.

A report published earlier this year, Difficult Times Ahead for Baby Boomers?, said they bear some responsibility for "social and moral decline". On their watch, "divorce rates have more than doubled, AIDS has overshadowed the joys of sexual liberation... and many boomers have had to battle drug and drink addiction."

Californian academic Mike Males says it's a generation facing "boomergeddon". His book of that name says Californian Boomers suffer high levels of drug abuse, imprisonment and family instability.

The British newspaper columnist Melanie Phillips says there has been a similar decline in the UK thanks to our own boomer generation (which includes Tony Blair, born 1953, and Phillips herself, born 1951).

She blames "the onslaught on the family, the dismantling of national identity and the promotion of 'victim culture'" on the fact that "the baby boomers are now in control".

Environmental degradation, social breakdown, rampant consumerism, even disease... is it any wonder that US commentator Joe Queenan (born 1950) once wrote: "If you want the God's honest truth, baby boomers are the most obnoxious people in the history of the human race."

Material world

But is this fair? Not at all, says Leonard Steinhorn, US author of The Greater Generation: In Defense of the Baby Boom Legacy. Those who criticise boomers - "usually snarky journalists", he says - forget that they helped to make equality a reality.

It seemed that anything was possible - no doubt an illusion, but it stimulated many of us to try to find new ways of living
Frank Furedi on the 1960s
"Before boomers, women were told to stay at home and wear aprons; blacks were told to stay separate and not get uppity; Jews and other minorities were told to stay inconspicuous; gays were told to stay in denial and in the closet.

"That has all changed, and these changes didn't happen on their own. They didn't happen because Samantha on Bewitched wiggled her nose. They happened because people made them happen - in their homes, communities, schools, workplaces, institutions, media."

Steinhorn doesn't buy the idea that boomers are uniquely consumerist. He points out that the "Greatest Generation" - those born between 1911 and 1924, who went on to fight in WWII and later gave birth to the boomers - were also criticised for trying to keep up with the Joneses.

"Success in the West has long been defined by material prosperity. It was that way under the Greatest Generation, and even under the great leaders of the Enlightenment."

For Frank Furedi - the British-based sociologist born in Hungary who studied in the US in the 60s - the backlash is a product of our cautious political culture.

"At times, especially in the 60s, it seemed that anything was possible. This was no doubt an illusion, but it was the kind of illusion that stimulated many of us to try to find new ways of living.

"Yes, many boomers were self-indulgent and self-obsessed, and some still refuse to accept middle-age. But this generation left very little untouched. We could learn from that climate of daring and experimentation."

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It's both a privilege and a duty to rebel against, criticise, or overturn the society formed by the previous generation. We did it, and now our children are doing it. It's quite amusing for me now, as an ex-rebel Boomer, to catch myself grumbling about "kids today". I may not like some of the things they do, but I recognise that they are almost trapped in a cycle and have to do these things. The next generation will, just like we did, both solve some problems we created, and in turn create new ones for their children to solve. And so it goes on...
Robert Agasucci, London, UK

They didn't cause the spread of STIs - you have only to look at the prevalence of STIs in previous generations to realise that; they didn't destroy the "traditional family" - you have only to chart the multiplicity of family structures we've run through in any era to see that. Every generation is charged with being morally inferior to its forebears and descendants, but the big problem for baby boomers is that they and their children have, en masse, continue to participate in environmentally catastrophic behaviour even with decades of warning. In other words, they've behaved like ordinary humans: refusing to put the brakes on until it's too late.
Kaz, Macclesfield, UK

I would like to say that most of the aggro I face in life is down to the 'baby-boomers'. Our government led by them has frittered away their pensions fund leaving my generation (18-40) to pay for it and ours. In work, their contract rights are so much better that it's a case of "dead man's shoes" stifling creativity and innovation. Socially, they failed to sort it inner-city deprivation, alienated youth and now extremeism. Politically, their student ideals of socialism and leftism are a busted flush. Globally, they have done very little to ease poverty and recently are hellbent on making war.
Mike, London, UK

The article is incorrect to state that the babyboomers gave us rock 'n' roll. Most would have been small children or yet unborn in the early 1950s when rock 'n' roll started.
Mike Skidmore, St Albans, Hertfordshire.

Babyboomers - you've used up all the oil, grown rich on massive house price rises, enjoyed final salary pension schemes, your shares have gone through the roof, gave yourselves double digit pay rises in the 70's whilst the real value of your mortgage debt went through the floor, you've polluted the environment and when it all hits the fan, you'll be dead. Great, thanks.
Simon, London

I just wonder where those of us that followed, Generation X, are in all this. I don't see any sudden anti-consumptionist rebellion, if anything we're worse. Perhaps it's nothing to do with generation and everything to do with the rampant rise of capitalism in the 20th century?
Kevin T, Cornwall

We boomers feel so so lucky, to be born after the war, to have the advantages of free university education, good employment opportunities, the comforts of modern living, better healthcare thanks to the postwar Labour govt, and for we women - the PILL! The greatest emancipation device ever invented. Our generation have had time and leisure to get involved with changing the attitudes of society, its been a good time, an exciting time to be alive!
Lyn , Warrington, UK

Boomers voted for low tax while earning,but now insist on growing freebies from the state as they get older. They got free education but insist that the next generation pay for it. They celebrated their houses growing in value while the price made it harder for young people to buy. They bought all the decent council houses at a discount. Selfish ? Wherever did you get that idea?
Peter, Stonehaven, Scotland, UK

Absolutely! The consumerist, the 'greed' generation, the 'I'm alright Jack' generation - and most of them don't even know it. All those 60s rockers and free-lovers will soon be seen as intolerably smug by the generation below them who have been priced out of England.
Rolf Jordan, Wirral, UK

My father was a baby boomer, and grew up in post war austerity. (He doesn't eat chocolate or sweets becuase there were none when he was a chile). He wore a jacket and tie when he was a student in the early 60s, and then wore a bowler hat when he started work in 1963. Maybe because he grew up in Glasgow, where the 60s arrived in around 1971. (The 60s have been described as a great time for around 2,000 people, the rest were working and raising their children.) Son't belive all this baby boomer idea, it is an American import, like most media-promoted social trends.
Richard, Edinburgh, UK

Babyboomers are responsible for a lot of today's issues and yet my generation, who are trying to fix the legacy of problems won't recive a state pension, even though we have paid in all our lives as the baby boomers have emptied the pot. We will work longer hours, we won't recive the same treatment, our contracts are worse, we receive higher insurance quotes and THEN you ask the young to respect there elders? What exactly have they got to respect you for?
arran

Baby boomers had the advantage of free milk, vitamins and orange juice, the NHS and free university education, and they are now coming up to taking their final salary indexed linked pensions. They are now refusing to pay the taxes needed for the generation behind them to have the same. They decimated the NHS in the 1980's and they are only now willing to pay for it because they are getting old and realise they need it! What a selfish shower!
Peter Cawthron, Liverpool

Does that meant the generations to follow will revert to more 'conservative' behavior, or is the genie out of the bottle for ever? I'm a baby-boomer and while I will admit to being responsible, I refuse to feel guilty. I look at my parent's generation; the only set of retirees who will ever enjoy the benefits of final-salary-scheme pensions. Should they feel guilty and cancel their next cruise?
Nick H, South Coast, UK

I have long felt that the baby boomer generation as a group are characteristically selfish & materialistic. The author does make a good point that this generation were responsible for much liberalisation, but many of them in my experience being vehement atheists display a lack of moral values and an emotional immaturity that fails to understand the feelings of others or the consequences of thier actions.
Rob, London

Us boomers started the environmental movement, but against vested business interests it's taken time to reach popular culture, but now Tesco sells Ecover products. We started the women's movement, fought against racism and campaigned on behalf of 3rd world countries. I'm proud of our legacy.
Rob, Luton, UK

We baby boomers grew up when things were short, we didn't have much, and we worked jolly hard. I remember my 'chores' that had to be done every day! We still work hard, but our children have grown up, and, at last, we are reaping the rewards of this hard work and denial. Surely this is what our country is all about!
Grace, Surrey

It was an age of new-found freedoms after the war which everyone grasped with open arms. I sometimes wish I was born then. Everything looked so simple and care-free. If we could hark back to those days now, austere as they were and put them in today's world, I don't think it would be so bad.
Tam, Scotland

It is grossly unfair to tar this one generation with an accusation of consumerism. In fact it was the babyboomers who fostered the environmental movement we see today. It was also the first generation to hold leaders to account, with the founding of Amnesty International and other political movements.
Chris, Dorking, Surrey

They did so much and changed so much. we would merely be conservative without them but like all explorers they often took the wrong track. in terms of tollerance and diversity of thought of being they have opened up such doors! before these guys and gals got it on the traditional people , the so called "mature" ones had problems with long hair, homosexuality, women doing pretty much anything, in fact they had a problem with anyone who didn't do exactly as they were told-how mature was that!!!!
David, London

What disgusts me about the British baby boomers (Blair typical) is that they enjoyed free higher education - with a maintenance grant! - then low interest rates and house prices, easy career advancement etc. etc. - and then when they came into power they pulled the ladder up after them. The feather bedding of this 'golden generation' was of course paid for by their parents taxes, and they were too greedy and selfish to do the same for the next generation. I was born in 1955 but I'm ashamed to be described as a 'boomer'.
chris b, crewe UK

The baby boomers have had it all and want more. The problem is the debt this is creating for their children. The house price increases seen across Europe is caused by an aging population funding their relatively luxurious retirements. However, this is leaving the younger generation in debt for life and with pension schemes emptied out to pay for the current set of overly-generous promises. An economic catastrophe in the making.
Corin Yeats, London, UK

Being born in the babyboomer age - I do not consider myself as one. Life has been the necessity of practicality rather than indulgence, I was not that lucky. The worst thing that came out of this era that has affected the whole of society (global as well) is the education system. These now aging hippys were the teachers of the present generation and indoctrinated their opinionated morals into the system, yes, we are lucky to have free speech and opportunities to try and make a better life, but as usual, it is only for the favoured few, the rest of us have to pick up the pieces socially and environmentally. This isn¿t just about sex and family structures or equality, its all about GREED "I do what I want when I want and I want it all!
Carole, Hampshire, UK

I must be out of the ordinary then. I pride myself on being socially, environmentally and economically prudent with a strong sense of egalitarianism. I'd always thought this came from the attitudes forged during my youth in the late 6o's. In my view it is the post Thatcher generation that are the most self indulgent. Of course, I cant speak for what happens in America
Tony, Cambridge

How happy I am to be a babyboomer, when I contemplate the stuffy, timid, puritanical Generation Xers, whose only interests in life are mortgages and car insurance.
Alan Fisk, London, England

Born 1944 I can dimly recall some events of my booming life: the end of capital punishment; a woman's right to abortion; homosexual law reform; the Race Discrimination Act; divorce law reform; paid maternity leave; increasing educational opportunity for working class children; the end of corporal punishment in schools & prisons; the dismemberment of the British Empire; increasing home ownership; reduction in child poverty; slum clearance; Human Rights legislation; disability law reform; increase in leisure time; improved health care; Charlotte Rampling, Bob Marley, Pat Jennings, Van Morrison, Diane Keaton, Polly Toynbee. A pretty good bash at life I'd say.
John Levett, Cambridge UK



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1 posted on 08/26/2006 6:16:17 AM PDT by billorites
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To: billorites

X'ers love to whine.


2 posted on 08/26/2006 6:18:15 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: billorites
Clinton...playing sax

LOL!! Did anyone else read this as playing sex?!

3 posted on 08/26/2006 6:20:03 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (I seem to have lost my easy button.)
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ping!


4 posted on 08/26/2006 6:20:45 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (I seem to have lost my easy button.)
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To: Glenn

The Baby Boomers brought us loud guitars. Very loud guitars. I mean, really loud guitars, man.


5 posted on 08/26/2006 6:24:37 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: WV Mountain Mama
LOL!! Did anyone else read this as playing sex?!

I always thought he said,

"I did not hav sax with that woman......"


6 posted on 08/26/2006 6:27:10 AM PDT by P8riot ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone)
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To: Glenn

And Boomers hate to hear the unvarnished truth.


7 posted on 08/26/2006 6:29:10 AM PDT by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: gaspar

"The Baby Boomers brought us loud guitars. Very loud guitars. I mean, really loud guitars, man."

Not to mention incredible scientific, technological, medical, economic, and other advancements.

We probably could have done without some of their moral and cultural "achievements" though.


8 posted on 08/26/2006 6:29:42 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: Laserman
"The Baby Boomers brought us loud guitars. Very loud guitars. I mean, really loud guitars, man."

Actually, Les Paul was born in 1915.

9 posted on 08/26/2006 6:32:38 AM PDT by P8riot ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone)
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10 posted on 08/26/2006 6:33:32 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: billorites

The two Clintons produced one child. That is the legacy of the Boomers...the depopulation of the Western world. That selfishness will be the downfall of the civilization.


11 posted on 08/26/2006 6:34:41 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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12 posted on 08/26/2006 6:35:17 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Glenn
X'ers love to whine.

 

Because they're jealous.

13 posted on 08/26/2006 6:36:20 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: billorites
There are Boomers worthy of respect. Not very many though.

As far as "achievements" and "progress" made by Boomers-as-a-class, I don't see any.

On an individual basis I see some Boomers attempting adulthood. Maybe five out of a hundred. The vast majority are still Lost Boys living in Never-Neverland trying to believe in pixies. They insist on being powerful children. Fat and Sassy.

I was born in 1946.
14 posted on 08/26/2006 6:37:03 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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There are Boomers worthy of respect. Not very many though.

The 58,000 or so who gave their all for our country in Viet Nam?

I was born in '45.

15 posted on 08/26/2006 6:40:47 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ECM
And Boomers hate to hear the unvarnished truth.

I see no evidence that X'ers are going to be selfless little citizens of the world anytime soon, so I expect that your turn to be taken to task for your actions is in your future.

16 posted on 08/26/2006 6:43:49 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Graybeard58

Let's see. The draft ended in 1973. The Cold War ended fifteen years later. I guess we can thank all those Xers for manning the line during that time.


17 posted on 08/26/2006 6:47:27 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: billorites
This week, former US President Bill Clinton - perhaps the archetypal baby boomer - turns 60.

Yeah, but let's not forget we also have Dubya in that group as well.
But the fact is, it will be hard for any generation to measure up to our "Greatest Generation".
God truly blessed this country with those folks.
18 posted on 08/26/2006 6:52:28 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: Graybeard58

I went to Viet Nam myself. Most of the guys over there in my time were good ones. We all went willingly enough.

I once mentioned to the wife that the best men of my generation went to Viet Nam. The worst ran away and now control most everything.


19 posted on 08/26/2006 7:00:35 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: kittymyrib
The two Clintons produced one child. That is the legacy of the Boomers...the depopulation of the Western world. That selfishness will be the downfall of the civilization.

But in their case, I think that we should be grateful they only had one child. That's one gene pool we can do with out.

20 posted on 08/26/2006 7:38:29 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Glenn
This one resonates:

"Boomers voted for low tax while earning,but now insist on growing freebies from the state as they get older. They got free education but insist that the next generation pay for it. They celebrated their houses growing in value while the price made it harder for young people to buy."

My image of the boomer is a moron on a $15,000 Harley who doesn't know how to ride, but thinks it's cool (and claims its safer) to disable the muffler, and make a public nuisance.
21 posted on 08/26/2006 7:49:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: billorites
Was it the Boomers or the X'ers who turned all problems into "issues?" The next issue will be when all the illusions collapse into reality.
22 posted on 08/26/2006 7:50:21 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: billorites

"That has all changed, and these changes didn't happen on their own. They didn't happen because Samantha on Bewitched wiggled her nose. They happened because people made them happen - in their homes, communities, schools, workplaces, institutions, media."

NO NO NO! Sheesh how many times are boomer apologists going to attempt to whitewash their moral vacuity by trying to connect to the Civil Rights movements?? Once again as Roger Kimball pointed out in "The Long March" the Civil Rights movements were forwarded by the religious and the - gasp - middle aged, such as MLK Jr, which the left wing yippies and student groups despised. They hated the idea of peace marches and non violent resistance. Their cup of tea was the violent Black Panthers and Malcom X.

In short, to join the boomers with what WAS virtuous during the 1960's is inappropriate and wrong. The boomers championed then, and still do, those who have only caused much harm to this country.


23 posted on 08/26/2006 7:53:59 AM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: Beelzebubba
My image of the boomer is

Life is full of pet peeves. I'm amazed that you can distill an entire generation down to a single one of them.

24 posted on 08/26/2006 7:56:11 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: billorites
This article tries to credit the civil rights movement and space exploration to the baby boomers. The watershed civil rights act was passed in 1964, when the oldest baby boomer was around fifteen. The US landed on the moon in 1969, when the oldest baby boomers were still undergraduates. They used rocket technology pioneered during World War II (much of it by the Nazis).

The fact that the boomers saw something on television does NOT mean they were responsible for it. OTOH, the "greatest generation" tended much more towards socialism than most conservatives wish to believe. They knew what Roosevelt was doing with Social Security, the WPA, the National Recovery Act and all his other programs.

Barry Goldwater got thoroughly waxed running on a limited government platform. He was splattered by Lyndon Johnson, who was a pioneer in creating government programs to help the "poor" and looting them for personal gain. It was the "greatest generation" that supported Roosevelt and Johnson.

The boomers were responsible for electing Ronald Reagan, and in Britain, Thatcher.

25 posted on 08/26/2006 8:18:38 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that, everything else is easy.)
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To: kittymyrib

Bingo. Never has a generation before believed so fervently that they were the a different civilization than the generation before them - almost as though they were a new and improved species.


26 posted on 08/26/2006 8:50:23 AM PDT by bpjam (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida - The Religion of Peace)
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To: Iris7

>>I once mentioned to the wife that the best men of my generation went to Viet Nam. The worst ran away and now control most everything.<<

Truth be told!


27 posted on 08/26/2006 8:50:24 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: billorites

"My parents' generation lived in the Depression; they ate sparsely and recreated spartanly. But the Boomers think they should be given everything on a platter."

Gee, how does this square with the fact that Americans are taking fewer vacations than ever. Truth be told, most Boomers are workaholics.


28 posted on 08/26/2006 9:17:07 AM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: Iris7; Graybeard58

Thanks for the common sense post-I think you and I are a lot more typical of that generation than the image so many younger people have-

I was born in '48 into a middle class military family. Most of my male relatives who were of age served in Viet Nam-voluntarily. I was not born into wealth, so I didn't have the luxury of becoming self indulgent and lazy-my brother and I had to work to pay for college. My family is mostly of Texas hispanic ancestry, but I never felt like a "minority". Since my family is Catholic and conservative, I did not embrace indiscriminate sex, drug use or moral relativism. I've worked hard all my life and tried to instill love of God, good morals and personal responsibility into my kids. I own my own small business-my husband served 30 years in the military and now works at the VA-we do not intend to retire, are not wealthy and don't take fancy vacations.

I believe that I'm more like the majority of us boomers than the high profile, mostly rich kids that got all the headlines then (and now).

Oh, although I can be sassy when pissed, I've never been fat...


29 posted on 08/26/2006 9:26:47 AM PDT by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...)
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To: billorites
The West is decadent and dying from wealth, the age old cycle is repeating itself. This generation is just an early part of that decadence/death cycle. As several people pointed out, the following generations are no better when it comes to pollution or rampant consumerism, and it was the so-called "Greatest Generation", from those of Roosevelt's age to those who were young men and women who fought in or lived through WW2 and had power in the 60s. who oversaw many of the disastrous social changes.

The real tragedy brought about by "GG" and the boomers is the so-called "anti-racism" campaign and the growth of internationalism. However fine these things sound in theory the only practical result of trying to put them into practice is the extermination of your own nation and culture. Western nations won't have to worry about rampant consumerism, vacations, and big houses much longer.

30 posted on 08/26/2006 10:31:01 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: billorites
generation born between 1946 and 1964

I've always had a problem with this. As someone who was born in 1963, I've never considered myself part of the Boomer Generation.

(Relax, Boomers, you're ok in book, it's just that I don't really feel like I'm part of that generation.

31 posted on 08/26/2006 10:37:27 AM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: Glenn
X'ers love to whine.

Says the boomer whose profile page is filled with all the toys, hobbies and crap he was able to buy 'cuz Gen-X is subsidizing his retirement....

32 posted on 08/26/2006 10:37:53 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: billorites
Roccoco bolshevist boomers look at their legacy of destroying that which went before and decide the problem is:

Not enough bolshevism!

Typical....

33 posted on 08/26/2006 10:39:40 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Says the boomer whose profile page is filled with all the toys, hobbies and crap he was able to buy 'cuz Gen-X is subsidizing his retirement....

Screw you. I worked for every bit of it and I still have 14 years of paying taxes on all the income it takes to buy those toys before I retire. Maybe you should try working for a living instead of acting like the world licked the red off your candy, eh?

You X'ers act like prosperity is something you steal rather than earn. Focus on income instead of the entitlements you aren't going to get, okay?

34 posted on 08/26/2006 10:46:34 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Glenn

Focus on income instead of the entitlements you aren't going to get, okay?



You mean the reduced income they get while putting money into wealthy boomer entitlement pockets, when they are never going to get the same in their retirement? Hmm?


35 posted on 08/26/2006 10:49:37 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Glenn
Screw you. I worked for every bit of it and I still have 14 years of paying taxes on all the income it takes to buy those toys before I retire. Maybe you should try working for a living

Yeah, I'm working for every bit of it as well:

your prescription drugs, your healthcare, your social security, and the highest tax rate in history--thanks hippies!

All while you hang on to management jobs with a death-grip 'cuz you gotta pay all that stuff off....

Now run along and have fun, it's what you're best at.

36 posted on 08/26/2006 10:56:12 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: Beelzebubba
You mean the reduced income they get while putting money into wealthy boomer entitlement pockets, when they are never going to get the same in their retirement? Hmm?

Now you're getting it.

Plan for your own retirement, as many boomers have. Put money in your 401k. Take a part-time job. Sell something on eBay. As long as you are focused on the lollipop you didn't get from mommy government, you are wasting time. What is, IS. All your jealousy, angst and whining aren't going to buy a quart of milk when you retire.

37 posted on 08/26/2006 10:59:36 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
All while you hang on to management jobs with a death-grip 'cuz you gotta pay all that stuff off....

Anything else you want to whine about today?

38 posted on 08/26/2006 11:01:48 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Glenn
What is, IS. All your jealousy, angst and whining aren't going to buy a quart of milk when you retire.

Translation from metaphysical nonsense boomerese:

"Gen-x whiners: shut up and buy me another wine vacation in Napa and a nice camera! It's just the way things are...."

39 posted on 08/26/2006 11:04:53 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: billorites

Bush is a month or so older than Clinton, so he's a boomer too.


40 posted on 08/26/2006 11:06:13 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Glenn
Anything else you want to whine about today?

Nope--enjoy your subsidized retirement and all your gimmees! :)

Fortunately, there is a younger, yet more adult, generation here to clean up after you....

41 posted on 08/26/2006 11:08:21 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Translation from metaphysical nonsense boomerese:

You are translating reality into something that will allow you to enter the Competitive Suffering Olympics.

Whatever makes you feel whole, I suppose.

42 posted on 08/26/2006 11:09:01 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: billorites

This is the UK. The "Baby Boom" happened in the US.


43 posted on 08/26/2006 11:09:16 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Fortunately, there is a younger, yet more adult, generation here to clean up after you....

Oh, you mean the whiner generation.

What are you doing posting on FR on a Saturday? Get back o work -- I have a pension I need you to subsidize, you lazy person!

44 posted on 08/26/2006 11:11:49 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Nope--enjoy your subsidized retirement and all your gimmees! :)

It's delicious hearing such childlike voices as yours. You'll be no competition in the marketplace.

45 posted on 08/26/2006 11:12:10 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Glenn
It's delicious hearing such childlike voices as yours.

Yeah, kids suck.... That's why you don't have any--too whiney and you can't buy more stuff and take vacations to Napa Valley, Sedona and Santa Fe...

Which is, of course, why there are less of us to provide for the entitled elderly.

The greatestest insult to a baby-boomer: "You're old."

46 posted on 08/26/2006 11:15:58 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: freedumb2003
What are you doing posting on FR on a Saturday?

I happen to have a weekend off from National Guard drill....

47 posted on 08/26/2006 11:16:56 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: billorites
With their thirst for "stuff" - bigger houses, better cars, tastier grub - did they give rise to a culture of selfish consumption?

Yes. But they just fanned the flames started by the post-WWII crowd.

And by challenging old-fashioned moralism, did they inadvertently nurture a climate of promiscuity - even fuelling the spread of STDs?

Yes. And the rise in HIV, abortions being as easy to obtain as blowing your nose, easy divorces, FemiGnatzie-ism, utter disregard for the Traditional Family and the promotion of sexual deviancies now accepted as "normal" and subsidized by our tax dollars.

I was born in 1960 and I have always lived my life very differntly from other Boomers my age. It makes me CRINGE to be lumped in with this group because while we did so many positive things, I think the negative impact we've had on society has been a disastrous trade-off. And to be lumped in with Clinton is the frosting on the cake. Gag.

48 posted on 08/26/2006 11:23:36 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith; Glenn
The greatestest insult to a baby-boomer: "You're old."

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No, the greatest insult to this retired at fifty boomer would be if someone were to describe any of my kids as a typically whining Xer.

49 posted on 08/26/2006 11:27:18 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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No, the greatest insult to this retired at fifty boomer

I imagine that retirement is largely a government funded pension--state, city or federal?

How did I know?

Y'know, you could at least thank us....

50 posted on 08/26/2006 11:30:22 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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