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English: The Vanishing Language
Human Events ^ | August 25 2006 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 08/26/2006 9:30:40 AM PDT by Reagan Man

All across the U.S., hordes of immigrants -- legal and illegal -- are chattering away in their native language and have no intention of learning English -- the all-but-official language of the United States where they now live.

Can you blame them? They are being enabled by all those diversity fanatics to defy the age-old custom of immigrants to our shores who made it one of their first priorities to learn to speak English and to teach their offspring to do likewise.

It was a case of sink or swim. If you couldn’t speak English you couldn’t get by, go to school, get a job, or become a citizen and vote.

Nowadays we kowtow to demands that everything from ballots to official documents be presented in many native languages as well as in English.

The result? According to Census Bureau statistics reported in HUMAN EVENTS:

* In California, 42.3 percent of the people do not speak English at home. More than 28 percent speak Spanish instead. One in five Californians told the Census Bureau they speak English “less than very well.”

* In the city of Los Angeles, for example, 60.8 percent of the people do not speak English at home. Instead, more than 44 percent speak Spanish while 31.3 percent say they speak English “less than very well.”

* In the city of Santa Ana, a whopping 84.7 percent do not speak English at home while more than 75 percent speak Spanish instead, and 50.8 percent say they speak English “less than very well.”

* In Miami, Florida, 78.9 percent do not speak English at home, 69.8 percent speak Spanish instead, and 46.7 percent say they speak English “less than very well.”

* In Passaic, N.J., 72.7 percent of the people do not speak English at home, 62.9 percent speak Spanish instead, and 45.4 percent say they speak English “less than very well.”

* The 10 states with the greatest percentage of people five years and over who speak a language other than English at home are: 1. California: 42.3 percent; 2. New Mexico: 36.1 percent; 3. Texas: 33.6 percent; 4. New York: 28.2 percent; 5. Arizona: 27.4 percent; 5. (tie) New Jersey: 27.4 percent; 7. Nevada: 26.2 percent; 8. Florida: 25.4 percent; 9. Hawaii: 24 percent; 10. Illinois: 21.5 percent.

Where is all this leading? The other day I read a story headlined “Will English Survive Immigrant Flood?” As Pat Buchanan warns in his new book, “State of Emergency – Third World Invasion and Conquest of America,” if our language is gone, the conquest is complete.

What holds the country together is the commonality of language. When the Census Bureau released its American Community Survey they revealed that the U.S. continues to be inundated by a flood of immigrants, both legal and illegal. And the question this raises is are they learning out language, are they assimilating into our culture? The statistics cited above say the answer is a resounding “NO.”

Last year one in five people in Washington D.C. were immigrants, compared to one in six in 2000. According to The Washington Post, the city is one of eight U.S. metropolitan areas -- along with New York, Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago, San Francisco, Houston and Dallas -- that have at least a million immigrants each.

Shockingly, a large segment of this rising population of immigrants does not speak English at home and does not intend to.

Incredibly, while huge numbers of immigrants already here refuse to learn English, in other parts of the world people are learning English just so they can come here. As I heard last year in Kenya, the students there said that English is the language of business and to get ahead in this world you have to learn to speak it.

We are really enabling immigrants to avoid learning English and assimilating into our culture because we give them everything they need so they don’t have to learn to speak English or become part of the traditional melting pot.

By enabling these people, we build an enclave for them that looks just like what they ran away from at home, thereby preventing them from assimilating and becoming part of the American dream. English is the language of business and trade -- if you can’t speak it you can’t get out of the occupational ghetto and move up the ladder. You are stuck where you are.

Tragically, the answer to the question of English surviving the immigrant invasion is probably “no.” The English language is on its death bed, a victim of the enablers.


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Where is all this leading? The other day I read a story headlined “Will English Survive Immigrant Flood?” As Pat Buchanan warns in his new book, “State of Emergency – Third World Invasion and Conquest of America,” if our language is gone, the conquest is complete.
1 posted on 08/26/2006 9:30:40 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man

¿Dice quién?


2 posted on 08/26/2006 9:33:26 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Reagan Man

"Shockingly, a large segment of this rising population of immigrants does not speak English at home and does not intend to..."

Boy, just eliminate that first word of the sentence, and it makes sense...


3 posted on 08/26/2006 9:35:14 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Hand em their arse

My Grandma spoke Swedish at home until her death.


4 posted on 08/26/2006 9:40:03 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Hand em their arse

Tristemente, por aquí yo a menudo tengo que ordenar mi alimento en español si quiero ser entendido.


5 posted on 08/26/2006 9:40:54 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Reagan Man
Way, way too overblown to be credible. Our language will survive this assault, and in the end, be little changed for it. English has endured far more sustained erosion from other waves immigration: the Germans, the Irish, the Chinese, the Scandinavians, the Italians, etc.. There are initiallly pockets of ethnic "purity," but they eventually diffuse into the mainstream culture.

That assimilatative force is being diluted with all this garbage about "multiculturalism." By definition, America is a polyglot culture, but it works because it's a melting pot. All cultures subsume to the whole, which is then all things yet no one thing in particular.

Today, the tendency is to think of each culture separately -- the hyphenated American -- and to treasure each culture as a whole in itself. That interrupts the process of assimilation, breeds discontent, and exaggerates differences instead of identifying commonalities. It is a wall-building mentality, and must be defeated if the normal cultural dynamics are to apply.

One place we can preserve it is in our language. We decidedly do NOT hablamos Espanol!

6 posted on 08/26/2006 9:41:13 AM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

Whew! Guzuntite... : )


7 posted on 08/26/2006 9:47:53 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Hand em their arse

Gracias. :)


8 posted on 08/26/2006 9:49:59 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Reagan Man

English: The Vanishing Language

Que?


9 posted on 08/26/2006 9:51:01 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Reagan Man

10 posted on 08/26/2006 9:54:38 AM PDT by Gritty (In multiculturalism, all values are equal: in effect, our values are that we have no values-Mk Steyn)
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To: Reagan Man

Interesting. I'm married to a woman whose grandparents came from Norway on her mother's side, and Germany on her father's side. They're long dead now, but her parents said that Norwegian and German were spoken as the primary language by those immigrants until the day they died. They learned enough English to get along, but always preferred their native language. My wife's parents speak almost not at all in their parents' languages, and my wife can't even say hello in either language.

Similarly, I grew up in a CA town with about a 30% hispanic population, back in the 50s and 60s. I had several very good friends who were hispanic. In the first grade, most of them spoke Spanish. By the end of 5th grade, they didn't even have accents. One was my best friend, and I used to spend a lot of time at his house, as he did at mine. His abuela (grandmother) spoke no English at all. His mother preferred to speak Spanish, but spoke English OK. My friend? By the time he graduated from high school, he spoke American English perfectly. He's now the mayor of that town.

Thus it is in immigrant families. Thus has it always been. It takes a couple of generations to completely remove the original language.

Those who claim otherwise simply have no experience with immigrants.


11 posted on 08/26/2006 9:58:02 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: IronJack

The difference between other waves of immigration is the fact that in order to survive here, people HAD to learn English. I don't remember my German grandparents telling me that they could vote in German, get government assistance for free(and in German.) The difference in this wave is that there are NO incentives for learning English becauses everything needed to survive is required by government to be in other languages, right up to having translators required where health care is given.


12 posted on 08/26/2006 10:00:30 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: IronJack
There is a line .. near the beginning of the classic film "My Fair Lady", where Rex Harrison says, while contemplating the demise of the Engish language for the 'street language' of Eliza Dolittle ... "Why, In America, they haven't spoken it in years!"
13 posted on 08/26/2006 10:01:29 AM PDT by knarf (Sevices for my lost, now consider deceased, tagline at 2 PM .. all welcome.)
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To: IronJack

My birth town was almost pure Swedish until the 1950's, in fact they used to have a sign saying Willkommen, my dad who is of German and Choctaw ancestry caused quite the scandal when he married my mom who was from this town.


14 posted on 08/26/2006 10:02:00 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: IronJack
There is a line .. near the beginning of the classic film "My Fair Lady", where Rex Harrison says, while contemplating the demise of the Engish language for the 'street language' of Eliza Dolittle ... "Why, In America, they haven't spoken it in years!"
15 posted on 08/26/2006 10:03:32 AM PDT by knarf (Sevices for my lost, now consider deceased, tagline at 2 PM .. all welcome.)
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To: knarf

oops ... time warp


16 posted on 08/26/2006 10:04:04 AM PDT by knarf (Sevices for my lost, now consider deceased, tagline at 2 PM .. all welcome.)
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To: Reagan Man
Who graduates high school with an ability to read or write English beyond 8th grade level? Who speaks English at a college level? What is this English we are supposedly in danger of losing?

If we intend to keep English as it was intended to be in the style of Shakespeare and Milton, we need to teach the support languages, Greek and Latin, as well as other modern languages such as French, Italian, German, and Spanish. English by itself or in a vacuum will die.

17 posted on 08/26/2006 10:09:08 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: aft_lizard
"My Grandma spoke Swedish at home until her death"

Clearly not a real patriotic American /sarc
18 posted on 08/26/2006 10:10:09 AM PDT by ndt
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To: knarf

Typical experience;

Me: I'd like a breakfast thing and a milk, please.

Them: Coke?

Me: Milk.

Them: What size?

Me: Leche.

Them: ¡Ah, leche!

Me: Thank you.

Them: De nada.


19 posted on 08/26/2006 10:12:35 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Reagan Man
Diversity is a temporary, transitional state, not a permanent virtue.
20 posted on 08/26/2006 10:31:48 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: IronJack

English is becoming the language of the whole world. That long term trend will overwhelm any short term imbalance of immigrants not learning English.


21 posted on 08/26/2006 11:37:18 AM PDT by mhx
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To: MineralMan

Nice comments.


22 posted on 08/26/2006 11:47:43 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Reagan Man

Press "1" if you want to continue this article in english...


23 posted on 08/26/2006 11:55:06 AM PDT by traumer
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To: Reagan Man

Wuzzat?


24 posted on 08/26/2006 12:06:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Reagan Man
If they're gonna live here, they better learn English. I am a language nerd--I'm trying to learn German, Russian, and Finnish because I like languages, but even I say that these immigrants need to learn English, the language of the country where they live, or go back to wherever they came from. Why should we have to change our ways? We were here first.
25 posted on 08/26/2006 12:28:37 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: IronJack
English has endured far more sustained erosion from other waves immigration: the Germans, the Irish, the Chinese, the Scandinavians, the Italians, etc.. There are initially pockets of ethnic "purity," but they eventually diffuse into the mainstream culture.

The numbers of illegal aliens crossing our borders are swamping the system ... these aren't pockets of legal immigrants, such as the Irish, Italian, Germans, Poles that arrived here & whose arrival was spread out over most of this nations history ... these are hordes, numbers reaching into the millions annually, mostly Spanish speaking from Mexico, Central America, South America that will, in very short order, turn the U.S. into just another Latin American country. Southern CA, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and Colorado will be the first states to succumb to this onslaught.

26 posted on 08/26/2006 12:47:34 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: mhx
English is becoming the language of the whole world. That long term trend will overwhelm any short term imbalance of immigrants not learning English.

I'm inclined to believe that too, although I also think that this "multiculturalism" crap is an attempt to defuse American linguistic and cultural dominance around the world.

You need to consider also that language tends to change on all ends of the spectrum. Where one tongue becomes dominant, inevitably dialects spring up, and eventually diverge to the point that they're unrecognizable to each other. That phenomenon has lessened with the instantaneous communications available today, but it still plays a role. As one language gets larger, some smaller language moves in to a locality and serves the needs of the populace better.

Take Ireland, for example. For centuries, Celtic -- its native language -- was actually forbidden. However, nowadays it is not only spoken, but a new generation of Irish-folk are embracing it. It may displace English some day, if history is any judge.

Even the French, vain as they are, realize that their language is in jeopardy. They recently passed laws banning the use of Anglicized terms like "internet, Big Mac, and email." Of course, as is their custom, they're fighting a losing battle. Not even the Ayatollahs could keep Western influence out of their cultures.

27 posted on 08/26/2006 12:47:43 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: freeangel
Agreed. But those are formalized, institutionalized requirements. If the majority of people with whom these recalcitrant immigrants do business simply refuse to accommodate their linquistic demands, then the immigrants will be forced to adapt.

Too much pressure from the top on this issue will ignite a backlash, and soon immigrants will find that native-speaking Americans have gone deaf.

28 posted on 08/26/2006 12:51:19 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: BluH2o

I'm not going to get into the mechanics of illegal immigration; this thread is about the English language. But people have been predicting the demise of English for centuries, and it's still with us. Granted, stopping the tide would protect the language, but I don't think that argument is going to carry much weight.


29 posted on 08/26/2006 12:53:58 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: Reagan Man
English: The Vanishing Language

I'm in the strongly-anti-illegal-alien camp. But claiming English is vanishing is absurd.

I was over in Germany and Austria in 1997. I took high school German. Forgot most of it. I would struggle to speak German to the clerks and they would answer fluently in English to help speed me on my way.

I do agree that those who come here should learn English. But those who do not are a threat to the concept of a melting pot, but are no threat to English, since a large part of the world speaks it now.

30 posted on 08/26/2006 12:55:36 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: MineralMan

You are right. My husbands family spoke Portuguese and Spanish. (denpending on the side) He grew up speaking both at home, and learned English for school. (from watching cartoons) He mostly speaks English at home, but it was important to him that our kids learn Spanish and Portuguese. They can speak all three, but rarely speak anything but English. He told my daughter the other day that if she only speaks English, she will lose her ability to speak the other two. She said "I don't care. My friends speak English!"


31 posted on 08/26/2006 1:27:03 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: IronJack

"If the majority of people with whom these recalcitrant immigrants do business simply refuse to accommodate their linquistic demands, then the immigrants will be forced to adapt. "




That hardly seems likely. What I see is businesses paying a premium to workers who are bilingual. I guess a paying customer is a paying customer, eh?


32 posted on 08/26/2006 1:30:37 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: aft_lizard
My birth town was almost pure Swedish until the 1950's...

You don't have to give it away...but was that Lindsborg, KS?

Just curious as my family vacationed at nearby Lake Kanopolis a few
summers and enjoyed visiting Lindsborg.
33 posted on 08/26/2006 1:31:24 PM PDT by VOA
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To: IronJack
Anglicized terms like "internet, Big Mac, and email."

We might wonder how English these words are to begin with. There is a lot of Latin, what is 'Mac,' what does e stand for and what language did that come from? If we stand back and take a look we might find very little of English is English, but Latin, Celtic, Greek, Sanskrit, and that old devil IndoEuropean. As is Spanish our current bugaboo. Any pure English is hard to spot.

34 posted on 08/26/2006 1:40:51 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: MineralMan
What I see is businesses paying a premium to workers who are bilingual.

When that premium becomes too high, then those same businesses will STOP paying them. If people refuse to learn Spanish to work, then the supply of Spanish-literate workders becomes smaller and employers must pay more to be PC. They don't have to habla Espanol to get Hispanic business, and if it becomes too costly, they won't.

I guess a paying customer is a paying customer, eh?

Yes, but some customers are more profitable than others.

35 posted on 08/26/2006 2:06:46 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: IronJack
I'm not going to get into the mechanics of illegal immigration; this thread is about the English language.

No, what this thread is about is the impact illegal immigrants are having on the English language in states where they reside. It won't be long before California will be predominately Spanish speaking. Next you'll have these people, because they have their own language, culture, and little in common with most other states threatening to cede. I point to Quebec as a prime example ... where the French have incorporated language police to make sure the language and culture is adhered to in every facet of everyday business and living. What happened in Quebec started in the early 1960's and progressed to the point where it's today. California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas are all in jeopardy of having the same thing happen to them ... they're well on the way.

36 posted on 08/26/2006 2:13:08 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Reagan Man
<<< The English language is on its death bed >>>

oh please ...

hyperbole does not serve the argument, it's downright silly.

37 posted on 08/26/2006 2:18:49 PM PDT by Republican Party Reptile
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To: RightWhale
If we stand back and take a look we might find very little of English is English, but Latin, Celtic, Greek, Sanskrit, and that old devil IndoEuropean.

All languages arose from some root. So it is arguable that there is no "pure" language to be found. Sure, English, with its checkered cultural past, is more of a hodgepodge than many others, but even the Romantics have a bastard child or two in their family tree.

Any pure English is hard to spot.

I'm no purist. I think language -- particularly one as robust and polyglot as English -- can take care of itself. It's also one of the last cultural artifacts that simply, absolutely refuses to be regulated.

And frankly, before I'd be scared of Spanish taking over our language, I'd fear the ebonics-influenced street slang that is creeping like a cancer into our lexicon. Words like "diss" and "fitty" and "ho" that reflect an obsession with a failed culture can't bode well for a society that also gave us AE Housman and Lord Tennyson.

38 posted on 08/26/2006 2:24:09 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: VOA

it was holdredge nebraska


39 posted on 08/26/2006 2:31:53 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: BluH2o
Next you'll have these people, because they have their own language, culture, and little in common with most other states threatening to cede.

Logical leap. There are already areas of this country that have little in common with other areas. I live in "flyover country," and have almost nothing in common with some Lefty in Vermont or Massachusetts, let alone some nutbutter from San Francisco. If that alone was grounds for secession, then this country would have fragmented long before this.

I point to Quebec as a prime example ... where the French have incorporated language police to make sure the language and culture is adhered to in every facet of everyday business and living. What happened in Quebec started in the early 1960's and progressed to the point where it's today.

The French/English duality of Quebec goes back way before the 1960s. It has been a schizo culture since before the Revolution, when the English drove out most of the French except in isolated pockets of eastern North America. French Canadians clung tenaciously to their heritage and coalesced in Quebec, where they exert an influence far out of proportion to their numbers. Their separatist movement exists only in their own minds.

California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas are all in jeopardy of having the same thing happen to them ...

I sense some paranoia creeping into your vision. Yes, untrammeled, unassimilated immigration could construct a secessionist nightmare like the one you describe. But there is a powerful buffer in place to prevent that, ranging from social pressure against the exclusive culture of illegals, to laws that can be enforced to stem the tide, to the Constitution of the United States, which does not permit secession on cultural grounds!

40 posted on 08/26/2006 2:34:09 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: aft_lizard
it was holdredge nebraska

Thanks. I was just curious...
41 posted on 08/26/2006 2:37:30 PM PDT by VOA
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To: IronJack

Poets, maybe a couple centuries ago moreso than now, used to know their language very well, top of the class at Cambridge, that kind of thing. It is amusing to come across some Wordsworth or Keats that mimics a common street style, and in a local idiom. They could write lyrics to common barroom songs with the best of them. They wouldn't fear ebonics, not at all; they would master ebonics and out-do rap hip hop ubermasters at their own game. Shakespeare, Milton, Caesar, Cicero populated their works with neologism and the language is that much richer for it. Last count there were two million words in English; college grads know perhaps 100,000. What that might mean I don't know except that few know the whole language. Even that FReeperism loose for lose is not new at all. Coleridge and Wordsworth (or Worthsworth as Coleridge called him) used loose for lose all the time. We have little to fear from Spanish or ebonics since we will add what we like to English until English is eventually the language of earth and there are a couple hundred minor dialects, subsets such as Chinese and Hindi.


42 posted on 08/26/2006 3:06:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: IronJack

You have no clue; you're right, you live in fly over country ... not that living in Nebraska is a problem, I've spent a reasonable amount of time there and like Nebraskans. However, which is probably good, you're isolated from the real world to some extent. I've lived in CO, southern CA and in the 'La Belle Provence' of Quebec ... trust me, I've witnessed first hand what and most assuredly will happen when one language/culture is allowed to prevail over another ... which is happening at an alarming rate in America's southwest.


43 posted on 08/26/2006 4:48:48 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: IronJack
Words like "diss" and "fitty" and "ho" that reflect an obsession with a failed culture can't bode well for a society that also gave us AE Housman and Lord Tennyson.

Or it could be the first indication that English is fragmenting into different languages, just as Latin fragmented into the Romance languages. I predict that in a few hundred years' time, "black English" will be as separate a language from American English as Portuguese is from Romanian.

44 posted on 08/26/2006 5:59:23 PM PDT by Loyalist (Social justice isn't; social studies aren't; social work doesn't.)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

I refuse to speak spanish in any place where I am being served in the USA. I repeat things over and over in English until it is 100% correct.


45 posted on 08/26/2006 6:02:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: Loyalist
I predict that in a few hundred years' time, "black English" will be as separate a language from American English as Portuguese is from Romanian.

Fo shizzle.

46 posted on 08/26/2006 6:03:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: BluH2o
You have no clue; you're right, you live in fly over country

Yeah, cuz you know that only the Coasts define reality.

you're isolated from the real world to some extent.

Uh huh. Who made YOU the arbiter of the "real world?"

I've lived in CO, southern CA and in the 'La Belle Provence' of Quebec ... trust me,

Good for you. That makes you ... what, again?

I've witnessed first hand what and most assuredly will happen when one language/culture is allowed to prevail over another ...

Psssst. The only culture that's "prevailing over another" is the American culture, which, even in the areas you've cited, still dominates.

47 posted on 08/26/2006 6:07:34 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

C'est quoi? Je n'ai rien compris...


48 posted on 08/26/2006 6:10:58 PM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: RightWhale
Neologisms are one thing. They tend to be evolutions of the language -- a coupling of Latin roots ("homo-phobia") or a "portmanteau" of two existing words ("cy(bernetic)org(anism") or even an acronym that's pronounceable (RADAR, NASA).

Street slang, especially ebonics, is a devolution, an admission by a growing sector of our society that even the effort of communicating is too demanding. It takes existing language and strips it of its precision (what exactly is a "ho" these days? or a "b_tch"? or a "niggah"?)

It makes you dumber just to hear it. And Wordsworth wouldn't have bothered with it any more than he bothered with cockney.

49 posted on 08/26/2006 6:15:56 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: IronJack
The only culture that's "prevailing over another" is the American culture, which, even in the areas you've cited, still dominates.

Once again, I've experienced first hand what you can only allude to ... living in Omaha, or Lincoln, isn't all that bad ... but it ain't the real world. However, steaks at Driesbacks in Grand Island is, or was, the center of the steak world when my travels took me to Nebraska.

50 posted on 08/26/2006 6:18:28 PM PDT by BluH2o
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