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Maximum Penalty Merited, Judge Says
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 8/26/2006 | Jose Luis Jiménez

Posted on 08/26/2006 2:20:58 PM PDT by CAWats

The violence ended in a Vista motel room after Lopez snapped two vertebrae in her neck, leaving the woman a quadriplegic. After initially refusing to get help for her, Lopez summoned the motel's clerk, who called an ambulance.

Pressman said he took note of the callous and brutal nature of the attacks in imposing the lengthy prison sentence. Defense attorney Mary Ellen Attridge, who said her client was high on methamphetamine at the time of the crime, asked Pressman to impose one life sentence.

“There is only one life to give to the penal system,” Attridge said.

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1 posted on 08/26/2006 2:20:59 PM PDT by CAWats
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Odilon Camarillo "Tito" Lopez shown wearing earphones in court, an indication he speaks no english.

2 posted on 08/26/2006 2:21:36 PM PDT by CAWats (Insert Links without HTML. Click my name.)
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To: CAWats

"There is only one life to give to the penal system"...

But first, a little chi chi.


3 posted on 08/26/2006 2:24:21 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: CAWats

Life imprisonment without pain is too good for this vermin.


4 posted on 08/26/2006 2:25:10 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
The headline is misleading. This slime-ball was sentenced to TWO life sentences. BTW, the victim is likely an illegal alien.
5 posted on 08/26/2006 2:29:26 PM PDT by free_at_jsl.com
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To: CAWats

All drugs shold be legal, some say. They say the "war on drugs" is a waste of money. So do those who argue that this animal should not have such a harsh sentence.
I argue that this animal should not be allowed to live out a life sentence, and that anyone who sells these drugs should face a death penalty as well.


6 posted on 08/26/2006 2:30:35 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: CAWats

He got two life sentences. Good.

Queme en Infierno, Tito.


7 posted on 08/26/2006 2:30:57 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: free_at_jsl.com

He was sentenced to two as an assurance that he will never be released. I detest illegals as a general rule, but this woman did not deserve this.


8 posted on 08/26/2006 2:33:54 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: CAWats
He should have been given the death penalty. His actions are indicative of a dangerous beast. I suppose the judge did not have this discretion as no murder was committed.

If the woman really loves her kids she should let them be adopted out. That is if they were born here. If she is not a citizen, she should be removed to Mexico with her family who can take care of her.
9 posted on 08/26/2006 2:34:10 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Do You think marijuana should be illegal?


10 posted on 08/26/2006 2:35:11 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: CAWats

One life sentence is enough to indict the truly guilty, two life sentences is enough to indict the judicial system.


11 posted on 08/26/2006 2:46:57 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: kinoxi
"I detest illegals as a general rule, but this woman did not deserve this."

Nobody deserves to be a victim of illegal drugs, and all those who use drugs and commit crimes as a result, as well as those who deal these drugs should face the same harsh penalty. The main reason the "war on drugs" isn't effective is because the penal system doesn't reward that behavior appropriately.

You have freedom of choice in this country, but the moment you choose to indulge in illegal drugs, either taking or selling/manufacturing them, is the moment you are no longer a victim, but an accomplice as well. We have to work harder to prevent our children from becoming a victim and accomplice of the illegal drug trade. We need to enforce harsh penalties for all drug related crimes, not use drugs use as an excuse for a reduced sentence.

12 posted on 08/26/2006 2:47:06 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Someone smoking a cigarette bought out of a state is 'indulging in an illegal drug' because the state tax was not paid. Do you think marijuana should be illegal? What about more destructive drugs such as alcohol?
13 posted on 08/26/2006 2:51:54 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
"Do You think marijuana should be illegal?"

Absolutely. It destroys minds and lives like any other drug. Pot users do not agree of course. But they don't see how they are affected by it.

14 posted on 08/26/2006 2:52:18 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

You need to get out more. I don't use it. I was just curious.


15 posted on 08/26/2006 2:55:16 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Nathan Zachary

He should have a very short life sentence. Life in prision until 23 September. Then he can be released in a box or they can keep him in the yard if there is no one to pick him up.


16 posted on 08/26/2006 2:56:25 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: kinoxi
Alcohol abuse is also a serious problem. people do not need to drink alcohol to the point where they become intoxicated.
That's what is known as alcohol abuse, and it's a well discussed problem of society, with laws preventing intoxicated people from driving vehicles, and being in positions of authority while in that state.

Show me where people smoke dope without the desire to become stoned, inebriated, under the influence of it. You can't. The only reason one would smoke dope is to become stoned, diminished capacity, an altered state.

You CAN however, have a glass of wine with a meal, enjoy a cold beer, or have a drink after dinner without becoming stoned, and loosing abilities of perception.

17 posted on 08/26/2006 3:02:03 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: CAWats

Illegals, clogging up our courts and prisons.


18 posted on 08/26/2006 3:08:23 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I know people who function well as occasional users of marijuana. Once again I don't use it.
To even imply that most people don't become intoxicated when drinking is a bit bewildering when contrasted with reality. Your deceptive world view is sad. You need to get out more.
19 posted on 08/26/2006 3:09:00 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
Why do I need to "get out more" for answering your questions? I get out too much actually, and see how drugs destroy lives every day. Perhaps I should stay in more and ignore it, like you are suggesting. I've seen employee's completely destroy their lives, their marriages, their children, despite all the help my company offers an employee in trouble. They choose to row down the river of denial instead of admitting their problems and fighting back upstream.
The first step is hard to take for some, and that step is admitting that they have a problem.
Do you see the results of a disturbing survey about pot use amoung high school age kids? 2 out of 10 say they have an addiction problem to POT. 8 out of 10 say they use pot regularly, but can take it or leave it.

Doen't that concern you?

20 posted on 08/26/2006 3:12:43 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

You state some odd statistics. I would like to know where you get that 20% of high school students are addicted to pot? Sounds like BS to me.


21 posted on 08/26/2006 3:17:22 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Nathan Zachary
Panama Canal Zone Military Investigations (US Military, 1929) After an exhaustive study of the smoking of marijuana among American soldiers stationed in the zone, the panel of civilian and military experts recommended that "no steps be taken by the Canal Zone authorities to prevent the sale or use of Marihuana." The committee also concluded that "there is no evidence that Marihuana as grown and used [in the Canal Zone] is a 'habit-forming' drug."


Please don't get me started.
22 posted on 08/26/2006 3:26:10 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
Someone smoking a cigarette bought out of a state is 'indulging in an illegal drug' because the state tax was not paid. Do you think marijuana should be illegal? What about more destructive drugs such as alcohol?

What on earth is your point? I think you need to get out more. Your brain seems fried. This has what to do with the Meth Head who paralyzed his girlfriend?

23 posted on 08/26/2006 3:27:15 PM PDT by N. Beaujon (http://www.nbeaujon.com)
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To: N. Beaujon

Read the whole thread. I know.


24 posted on 08/26/2006 3:28:26 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Michael Goldsberry
2 consecutive life sentences...
25 posted on 08/26/2006 3:28:40 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Meth would never have existed if not for the War on Drugs. Same with crack. In addition, the War on Drugs has zero positive accomplishment it can prove for all the billions spent. Stuff like this belongs on the consciences of the drug warriors... if they had any.


26 posted on 08/26/2006 3:28:47 PM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: kinoxi
Most people I know DO NOT become intoxicated while socializing at an event.
Maybe you need to get out of the slum you obviously hang around in, and make friends with a higher class of people. (that is not to suggest that people in higher stations do not have those problems as well)

I do know occasional pot users. They are the exception to the rule however. Most pot users smoke pot several times a day. And it shows. My 'view" of the world isn't sad at all, I'm quite well aware of the drug addictions that plague it. I'm sure you are honest when you say those you know can't stop at one or two drinks when they are around alcohol. That's what is known as an alcoholic.

Sometimes people purposely set out to get drunk. There's nothing wrong with having a good time once in a while as long as you plan it, and have friends around to drag you home, prevent you from driving and hurting somebody, and stick your head in the ceramic bowl. Alcohol can be abused, but it can also be used properly, something you probably have never seen.

27 posted on 08/26/2006 3:28:51 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: N. Beaujon

Read #6


28 posted on 08/26/2006 3:29:04 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Nathan Zachary

Two beers is legally intoxicated in most states. The Feds with hold highway money to force the issue. Do some research.


29 posted on 08/26/2006 3:30:56 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: CAWats
Odilon Camarillo "Tito" Lopez shown wearing earphones in court, an indication
he speaks no english.


The court interpreters of America thank you taxpayers.
Especially you folks supporting the illegals!
Thanks Suckers!
30 posted on 08/26/2006 3:34:19 PM PDT by VOA
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To: CAWats
“There is only one life to give to the penal system,” Attridge said.

They why are multiple life sentences given out? Because they want liberal judges from letting criminals out early. Get it?

31 posted on 08/26/2006 3:37:33 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Illegals, clogging up our courts and prisons.

No! They are helping to improve our economy.
More jobs for judges, lawyers, secretaries, computer technicians,
jailers, and other officers of the court!
Who says you can't get rich off a "futile cycle" that often is a
"catch-prosecute-jail-release-and repeat" phenomenon?

Oh, I forgot the hospitals, rehabilitation specialists, graveyards and
morticians get their cut off the spectrum of victims as well.
32 posted on 08/26/2006 3:38:14 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Nathan Zachary; kinoxi
...Absolutely. It destroys minds and lives like any other drug....

Spoken like someone with no knowledge of the subject. I guess your prejudices qualify you, huh? I have dozens of successful friends who would disagree with you. Combined, their incomes could support a small country.

Why do you think our original documents guarantee personal freedoms? Where do you find a part of the Constitution whick needs a DEA, or a Dept of Energy, for that fact...

Click it or ticket!


33 posted on 08/26/2006 3:38:37 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: thoughtomator
"Meth would never have existed if not for the War on Drugs. Same with crack."

Oh come on. I KNOW You are smarter than that.

If pot and other popular drugs were legal, the cost would probably be even higher, and that would drive wanna be chemists to create stuff like Meth just the same. I can't believe you made so lame a comment. I usually see much better from you.

34 posted on 08/26/2006 3:39:36 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: pageonetoo

What a crock of Sh$t.

Again, I have seen plenty (many of them my friends) who had it all and tossed it away because of their drug problems.

Last year my friend shot his wife, her brother, and himself, because of drugs.
Don;t even try tell me I don't know anything on the subject, I know MORE than you do.


35 posted on 08/26/2006 3:45:24 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
If pot and other popular drugs were legal, the cost would probably be even higher, and that would drive wanna be chemists to create stuff like Meth just the same. I can't believe you made so lame a comment. I usually see much better from you.

It's a perfectly valid comment. Your ideological dedication to the War on Drugs has blinded you to the mechanics of market economics. Prices go down (dramatically) when something is made legal, because there is a risk premium in an illegal market, which can often run to many times the actual price of producing the product. The reason why meth exists is because the ingredients are easily obtained relative to recreational drugs made illegal. The reason crack exists is that it is a way to increase the value of a given amount of cocaine more cheaply than simply buying more.

Black markets only provide lower prices where the alternative is legal and heavily taxed. In the case of illegal drugs, the alternative is not legal and not taxed at all.

36 posted on 08/26/2006 3:51:44 PM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: VOA

You know, that is probably truer than you think.
The justice system has become the biggest industry in the country. The reason the "war on drugs" isn't working is because it has become part of this industry.

We need to chop out all this plea bargaining crap, built more prisons and enforce the law and penalties for breaking it as it was intended to be.


37 posted on 08/26/2006 3:52:09 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

What I like about the War on Drugs is how well it works.


38 posted on 08/26/2006 3:53:17 PM PDT by osideplanner
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To: Nathan Zachary
I know MORE than you do.

It appears from your posts, that you do not! Marijuana is not causing any deaths, FRiend. Marijuana prohibition does!

39 posted on 08/26/2006 3:54:16 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

A while back I heard forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz say that one reason
crime had gone down over the years was that we are putting more people in prison.
(I may be off on these numbers a bit...)
He said that there were something like 5 million sociopaths in the USA and
we'd locked up about 3 million of them.
(implying we still had 2 million to go)


40 posted on 08/26/2006 3:56:56 PM PDT by VOA
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To: thoughtomator
"Prices go down (dramatically) when something is made legal," B.S. Tell that to ANYONE who is on meds. If pt were legalized, not only would you pay state and fed taxes on it, the potency would be regulated as well. AND, anyone trying to sell "home grown" under the table pot would STILL be a criminal, just as is anyone growing and selling tobacco or alcohol outside of the system. So don't kid yourself in thinking legalized drugs would be cheaper. They would be regulated, and the government would just take their cut, add industry regulations, growing regulations, as they do ANY ag product.

As I said, I expected better from you. I can't believe you never thought about what happens when the government gets involved with ANYTHING.

41 posted on 08/26/2006 4:00:03 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: thoughtomator

Involved with anthing- ESPECIALY a controled substance.

Take Booze for example.


42 posted on 08/26/2006 4:02:00 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: VOA

Thank G-d that he didn't manage to escape to Mexico. With a life sentence on the table it's doubtfull that we would have been able to get him back for trial.


43 posted on 08/26/2006 4:02:18 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: Nathan Zachary
All drugs shold be legal, some say. They say the "war on drugs" is a waste of money.

I agre with some of this as some of them are harmless .... meth on the other hand is the devil's nose candy.

44 posted on 08/26/2006 4:04:07 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: Centurion2000
If people really want to smoke and do that nasty stuf maybe we should have a free fire zone walled off where people could go do the really dangerous drugs that they want to do.

Meth-town : you go in ... you don't have to come back out.

45 posted on 08/26/2006 4:05:29 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: Centurion2000
Meth has killed 4 kids of people I personally know. This is in a small community.

If you look at the stats, You will see it's killing a huge number of our youth in every state. It's a type of drug that rots their minds and bodies. It's made of caustic chemicals, draino, aand other poisons nobody in their right mind would ingest.

Those that argue "if drugs were legalized" obviously don't realize drugs like this could never be legalized or regulated. DO they really think Meth can be FDA appoved? Who would I sue for the bad efects this drug causes? the brain rot, failed kidneys, rotted livers?

Yea, lets give back yard pharmacists "legal" rights to make drugs to poison our youth.

46 posted on 08/26/2006 4:14:38 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: thoughtomator
Tell me, what is wrong with the legal drugs available now?

I can get the purest opiates LEGALY. All you need is a doc's prescription.

What other need for drugs is there except for those who are ill, suffer pain, etc?

You can sniff gas or glue, run around in a circle until you get dizzy, inject anti freeze into your veins if you like. Nothing is stopping you.

But why?

Get high on life. It's so short. Go sky diving, bungee jumping, paddle down a river, or hike through the rocky mountains and live off your survival skills. Go moose hunting, or trek into the tundra.(take some legal pain killers along) Those are the best "highs" you can get.
47 posted on 08/26/2006 4:32:24 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
You don't have to make those arguments to me, I ain't the one sniffing glue.

In any population of a sufficient size, a sizeable majority will want recreational intoxication. A certain number of those in our population are satisfied with alcohol; many aren't (not least because alcohol makes you feel sick, makes you highly prone to physical injury, and is perfectly capable of killing you). To deny this is to deny human nature. People get intoxicated to escape psychological pain, and there is no shortage of such pain to go around. Thus until you lead humanity into a unified enlightened Nirvana, there will be drug consumption whether you like it or not.

You state:

Tell me, what is wrong with the legal drugs available now? I can get the purest opiates LEGALY. All you need is a doc's prescription.

Good luck finding a doctor to prescribe them, even if you have a true medical need for them. (There's more than one FReeper here who can relate his own personal nightmare story on this count.) A doctor's mistake can earn him 20 years in prison for drug trafficking. And if the first doctor says no? Then if you go to another doctor you could be charged with "doctor shopping", another way to go to jail for years.

I see no rational reason to keep things like pot and cocaine illegal. Too many people use them and will continue to use them no matter what the law says. Pot in particular can be grown on any patch of dirt; how are you really going to stop it from being available? The government can't even keep its own parks from being used as plantations for that.

We learned this lesson once, during Prohibition, and it needs to be learned again: Prohibition helps no one but criminals and corrupt government officials.

48 posted on 08/26/2006 4:49:39 PM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: Nathan Zachary

It's too bad you have let your passions overwhelm your knowledge of basic economics. Illegal activities come with higher prices because of the risk premium. The only times when an illegal activity is cheaper than a legal one is where the activity is already legal but taxed at a rate that exceeds the risk premium. The total risk premium on, say, marijuana, from production to "retail" is (estimating conservatively) about 1000%. Thus taxation would have to exceed 1000% to bring the price of the product, were it legal, to current price levels.


49 posted on 08/26/2006 4:55:30 PM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: CAWats

" her client was high on methamphetamine at the time of the crime"

OK, good. Let's see...that's 2 life sentences for the vicious act, and 100 years for committing it under the influence of drugs! Bailiff! Take the prisoner away...

:O)

P


50 posted on 08/26/2006 5:11:50 PM PDT by papasmurf (Join Team 36120 Free Republic Folders. Folding@Home Enter Name:FRpapasmurf)
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