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Republicans in Blue States Rethink Iraq
The Los Angeles Times ^ | August 26, 2006 | Johanna Neuman

Posted on 08/26/2006 8:16:19 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

WASHINGTON — Since U.S. forces attacked in 2003, Rep. Christopher Shays, a moderate Republican from Connecticut's liberal 4th District, has been a stalwart defender of the Iraq war.

"I've been carrying the bucket when it comes to the war," Shays said in September.

But facing an antiwar Democratic opponent in a tough midterm election race, Shays is starting to express reservations.

In a telephone interview Friday after he returned from his 14th trip to Iraq, Shays said that he believed the U.S. should consider setting a timetable for the withdrawal of its troops, and that he planned to hold congressional hearings on the question next month.

Iraq's political leaders need a deadline to "do things in a timely basis." Otherwise, he said, "they will take years. And there aren't years available."

Shays becomes the third Republican lawmaker from a Democratic or swing state to distance himself from the Bush administration's war policy. With public support for the war sagging and many Democratic candidates vocally opposing it, Republicans in tight races in blue states are under particular pressure.

Democrats have felt the heat as well. Earlier this month Sen. Joe Lieberman, a supporter of the war, was defeated in Connecticut's Democratic primary by political novice and antiwar candidate Ned Lamont.

Lieberman is now running as an independent, but Republicans throughout the country — eyeing opinion polls showing that more than 60% of the public disapproves of President Bush's handling of the war — took note.

"Republicans are trying to insulate themselves from Washington and the president's low approval ratings," said Amy Walter, congressional analyst for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. "They are distancing themselves from the war and from the president."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; bullzogby; cutandrun; handwringers; iraq; latimes; liesallthetimes; mediabias; mediawar; rino; shays; treasonmedia; zogbyism

1 posted on 08/26/2006 8:16:19 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Shays is a moderate?


2 posted on 08/26/2006 8:18:48 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"I've been carrying the bucket when it comes to the war," Shays said in September.

Glad to see Chris is rock solid in his support of victory in Iraq.

3 posted on 08/26/2006 8:19:58 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (Assistant to the traveling secretary.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
But facing an antiwar Democratic opponent in a tough midterm election race, Shays is starting to express reservations.

And this suggests that his waffling is a matter of principle, not political expediency?

4 posted on 08/26/2006 8:21:53 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I have more respect for the people who were against the Iraq action in the first place than these flip-flopping prostitutes who change their positions for votes. A pox on them.


5 posted on 08/26/2006 8:27:12 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: MinorityRepublican

Typical politician: just twisting in the wind, whichever way it blows. Shays better take a look at the Survey USA poll reported a couple of threads down: 56% of Americans believe Iraq is part of the war on terror.


6 posted on 08/26/2006 8:27:18 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: MinorityRepublican

Political advice...."If you want to win run as a conservative Republican."


7 posted on 08/26/2006 8:28:07 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: P-40

Shays, we can do without you in the congress. You just don't know how you could do without being in congress.

The reelection sickness afflicts all of them.


8 posted on 08/26/2006 8:41:34 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: MinorityRepublican

Waffles, anyone? How about some good ol' Vermont Maple syrup?


9 posted on 08/26/2006 8:47:12 PM PDT by mfulstone (SEMPER FI)
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To: MinorityRepublican

So let me get this straight. Shays had no reservations about Iraq, until the potential loss of his seat raised its head? Now THAT'S courage! < sarcasm off >

Reminds me of why liberals are like snails. They leave a trail of slime wherever they go. And they eat $hit for a living.


10 posted on 08/26/2006 8:50:45 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I always thought of Chris Shays as a RINO, but at least had grudging respect for his willingness to stay firm in his support of the Iraq War. With that, I don't see any reason why keeping his seat is better than not keeping it.


11 posted on 08/26/2006 8:58:39 PM PDT by youthgonewild
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To: youthgonewild
I don't see any reason why keeping his seat is better than not keeping it.

It pains me to say this but it's looking more likely with each passing day that Nancy Pelosi will be called Madame Speaker. What's even scarier is she will be 2nd in the line of succession for the Presidency.
12 posted on 08/26/2006 9:05:29 PM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: MinorityRepublican
It's always nice to see a politician who finds his job in the House more important than defending American security by backing the President and the troops in our war against terror.

sarc/off

13 posted on 08/26/2006 9:15:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (What changes do you intend to make to your lifestyle now that Pluto is no longer "a planet?")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yeah, well, we've all been re-thinking things lately. For example, I've been re-thinking whether Republicans have the spine to govern appropriately and deserve to keep the damn majority.

Of course Democrats would be an immediate disaster, but Republicans seem to be on course to be an incremental disaster. And, me, well I'd rather just deal with damage they cause all at once then have these spineless unprincled losers stumble their way around inflicting damage because of their fear of telling it like it really is to their constituents.

Angry? Sure I am.

The majority of people serving this nation aren't fit to govern on left or on right. And its a terrible time in history to come to that conclusion.


14 posted on 08/26/2006 9:20:52 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A timetable is silly.

The best time to get out is (1) immediately following the high intensity conflict, thereby demonstrating your purpose was change, or (2) in response to a newer more significant front elsewhere, e.g., Iran; or (3) After the dirty work of subjection and reconstruction is complete as measured by one's goals.

Since the president chose #3, and he is the president, it would only strengthen the adversary to pull out before the goals are met.


15 posted on 08/26/2006 9:22:57 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer


Excellent post!


16 posted on 08/26/2006 9:23:56 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" 10% are fundamentalists, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: Cicero

What was that old song about tumble weeds on the Roy Rogers show? What was that song Fats Domino sang about the four winds?


17 posted on 08/26/2006 9:44:09 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you are there thats the best)
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To: Soul Seeker

Yes. A reasonable observer of politics can't help wonder if selection of politicians via random drawing would not be an improvement.

Would certainly save big bucks on election expenses.

At worst, it'd be a case of replacing the corrupt with the merely incompetent.

Personally, I'll take stupid over bad. With stupid, there's a good chance the person will accidently do the right thing.

No chance with bad.


18 posted on 08/26/2006 9:46:51 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (China & India: Doing jobs Americans don't want to do (manuf., engineering, accounting, etc))
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To: mfulstone

"Waffles, anyone? How about some good ol' Vermont Maple syrup?"

Just don't let those nude teens serve them.


19 posted on 08/26/2006 9:53:30 PM PDT by hotshu
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To: OldArmy52; All

True.

Of course it begs the question; Is someone who knows its wrong to withdraw support for the war and does it anyway because of political calculations...stupid or bad? I tend to think both, which doesn't make the question of how to deal with them any easier.

But, in a desperate resolution I made to myself 10 minutes ago not to go to bed angry anymore because of idiots in D.C. I've decided I'm going to have to work to balance weak people that care more about their political hides then national security by finding news to counter them. With that in mind, a different spin found in WAPO on the same subject...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/26/AR2006082600811_pf.html

The good news here? There are more Democrats rejecting a timetable then Republicans demanding one.

Headline:

Democrats Split Over Timetable For Troops
In Close Races, Most Reject Rapid Pullout


20 posted on 08/26/2006 10:09:53 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: Soul Seeker

Correction: make that....

"There are more Democrats in tough re-elections in the House rejecting a timetable then Republicans in tough re-elections demanding one."


21 posted on 08/26/2006 10:11:32 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Shays is a weenie, and always has been, as far as I know. He's only representative of other Rinos like those in the state of Connecticut who want to be liked, and considered sophisticated, by their Democrat neighbors and Country Club member friends.


22 posted on 08/26/2006 10:27:07 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: P-40

I remember Shays. He opposed the Clinton impeachment to start with, then was going to vote for two of the articles, then voted no across the board--even after he stated that Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick. Lo and behold, Mrs. Shays gets a political appointment from Clinton.

Apart from the Clinton days, he voted against drilling in ANWR.


23 posted on 08/26/2006 10:49:50 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Majority of Americans see Iraq as Part of Global War on Terror
24 posted on 08/26/2006 11:02:34 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: MinorityRepublican


So basically, Ct is the front line that the antiwar left is choosing. And in the other 49 they're facing resounding defeat....


25 posted on 08/27/2006 12:15:02 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: MinorityRepublican
But facing an antiwar Democratic opponent in a tough midterm election race, Shays is starting to express reservations.

God forbid the people are given a choice.
Why not run as a pro-troop supporter of the war vs. anti-war and let the folks CHOOSE?

This way all they get is an anti-war moonbat vs. anti-war lite!

26 posted on 08/27/2006 1:00:22 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Where do they get off calling that commie shays a Republican?


27 posted on 08/27/2006 1:01:12 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: MinorityRepublican

Shays is a Liberal Republican. He is merely the reliable whore of the Junk Media propaganda machine


28 posted on 08/27/2006 4:06:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Elections are more important then the feelings of the POS Cons (Perpetually Offended Syndrome))
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To: MinorityRepublican

He Sell out Shay, how come you did not vote that way when the issue came up in the US House? So Surrender Now Shay, when are you going to learn that this sort of pandering ONLY alienates your allies and emboldens your foes?


29 posted on 08/27/2006 4:08:23 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Elections are more important then the feelings of the POS Cons (Perpetually Offended Syndrome))
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To: no dems

Perhaps the twist in the wind poll watchers might explain why the Gallup Generic Congressional Poll suddenly has the Republicans with in 2 points of the Democrats?

All analysis based on garbage in/garbage out polling data is worthless. Until they do a serious poll of Likely Voters all this hysteria about "Madam Speaker" is so much usless noise.


30 posted on 08/27/2006 4:10:46 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Elections are more important then the feelings of the POS Cons (Perpetually Offended Syndrome))
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To: Soul Seeker
Of course Democrats would be an immediate disaster, but Republicans seem to be on course to be an incremental disaster

Intellectually indefensible to judge all by the one. On Judges alone the President has done far more for the Conservative movement then all the 100%ers ever will do. Life requires compromise. Given the number of judges that will need to be replaced in the next 2 to 4 years, it would be the height of foolishness for Conservative to throw a political hissy fit now because every little thing is not perfect.

31 posted on 08/27/2006 4:15:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Elections are more important then the feelings of the POS Cons (Perpetually Offended Syndrome))
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To: MinorityRepublican
but Republicans throughout the country — eyeing opinion polls showing that more than 60% of the public disapproves of President Bush's handling of the war — took note.

The architects of this war like Wolfowitz once promised that once Saddam was deposed we would open the Iraqi spigots so that oil would flow freely once again, benefitting the world economy and bolstering US influence in the region. Things haven't exactly turned out that way, on the contrary, we seem to be caught in a morass of sectarian violence over there, it is little wonder why the American public would wonder where we are going with this since our original game plan appears to have been faulty.

32 posted on 08/27/2006 4:46:36 AM PDT by yuta250
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To: P-40

As rush likes to say, chris shays is nancy pelosi's favorite republican.


33 posted on 08/27/2006 11:48:27 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: MNJohnnie

I hope you're right. All I know is the people I communicate with, even Pubbies, are tired of the GOP doing a lot of talking and little action.

It's not looking good for them from where I'm sitting.


34 posted on 08/27/2006 12:38:52 PM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: P-40

35 posted on 08/28/2006 11:24:08 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: MinorityRepublican

Using "Shays" and "stalwart" in the same sentence exceeds literary license.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 11:30:57 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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