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When is it OK for boys to be girls, and girls to be boys? [Schools adjust to boys being girls/etc]
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Posted on 08/27/2006 12:31:20 PM PDT by ChessMan

When is it OK for boys to be girls, and girls to be boys?

Many kids want to look and act like the other sex. For some, it's a phase; for others, it's not. Parents and schools are adjusting.

Ilene Lelchuk, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, August 27, 2006

Park Day School is throwing out gender boundaries.

Teachers at the private Oakland elementary school have stopped asking the children to line up according to sex when walking to and from class. They now let boys play girls and girls play boys in skits. And there's a unisex bathroom.

Admissions director Flo Hodes is even a little apologetic that she still balances classes by gender.

Park Day's gender-neutral metamorphosis happened over the past few years, as applications trickled in for kindergartners who didn't fit on either side of the gender line. One girl enrolled as a boy, and there were other children who didn't dress or act in gender-typical ways. Last year the school hired a consultant to help the staff accommodate these new students.

"We had to ask ourselves, what is gender for young children?" Hodes said. "It's coming up more and more."

Park Day's staff members are among a growing number of educators and parents who are acknowledging gender variance in very young children. Aurora School, another private elementary school in Oakland, also is seeing children who are "gender fluid" and hired a clinical psychologist to conduct staff training.

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Uhhh. I have no idea where to even start on this one.
1 posted on 08/27/2006 12:31:21 PM PDT by ChessMan
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To: Nightshift

PING


2 posted on 08/27/2006 12:32:04 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: ChessMan

It is not okay.


3 posted on 08/27/2006 12:33:00 PM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: ChessMan
"We had to ask ourselves, what is gender for young children?"

O...M...G....

4 posted on 08/27/2006 12:33:16 PM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: ChessMan
While many of those schools were in California, the state is not alone. In a highly publicized case, a couple convinced the Broward County school system in Florida this year to admit their son to kindergarten as a girl.

He's reportedly the youngest transgender child admitted to a South Florida school, but the Broward and Miami-Dade County school systems were ready with pre-existing policies to accommodate such students.

Ok...now exactly who got to make this "choice"?

5 posted on 08/27/2006 12:34:01 PM PDT by digger48
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To: ChessMan
"And there's a unisex bathroom."
6 posted on 08/27/2006 12:34:04 PM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: TommyDale

Well, this is a start. ;-)


7 posted on 08/27/2006 12:34:21 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (2 messages: Israel is right. .... And: United we stand.)
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To: ChessMan
And there's a unisex bathroom.

This can lead to nothing good!

8 posted on 08/27/2006 12:34:29 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (Assistant to the traveling secretary.)
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To: ChessMan

Books for children*:

"Oliver Button is a Sissy" by Tomie de Paola

"The Sissy Duckling" by Harvey Fierstein

"It's Perfectly Normal" by Robie H. Harris and Michael Emberley

"Changing Bodies, Changing Lives: A Book for Teens on Sex and Relationships" by Ruth Bell et al.

* Recommended by the Outreach Program of Children with Gender-Variant Behaviors and Their Families at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C.

E-mail Ilene Lelchuk at ilelchuk@sfchronicle.com.


9 posted on 08/27/2006 12:34:43 PM PDT by digger48
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To: ChessMan

"gender fluid"?

I guess they want to dress little boys like girls for their whole elementary school experience and see if they still want to grow up to be male? Is this "teacher" from another planet?


10 posted on 08/27/2006 12:35:17 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: ChessMan
Parents are paying up to 18k a year to send their children to hear this type of claptrap.

http://www.parkdayschool.org/admissions/index.html#Anchor-Key-63255

11 posted on 08/27/2006 12:36:41 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: ChessMan

Teachers are doing it and getting aways with it legally; the kids will follow suit.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14505235/


12 posted on 08/27/2006 12:37:22 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: Michael81Dus

I know this is very politically incorrect, but I know someone who had a little boy in preschool who was encouraged to cross-dress and pretend to be a girl at the preschool. Today he is very effeminate, and it won't surprise me if he is actually gay. The influence of a domineering mother and a preschool teacher who encouraged him to "get in touch with his sexuality" should be horse-whipped.


13 posted on 08/27/2006 12:38:11 PM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: SoftballMominVA

.....ah, my bad **16k** a year....


14 posted on 08/27/2006 12:38:12 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: ChessMan
Many kids want to look and act like the other sex...

Not in my neighborhood.

15 posted on 08/27/2006 12:38:13 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: goodnesswins

Wasn't this a Monty Python skit?


16 posted on 08/27/2006 12:39:08 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: ChessMan

I love this crap. It grows the GOP and the school voucher movement. No wonder the Islamofacists despise us.


17 posted on 08/27/2006 12:39:11 PM PDT by billndin
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To: ChessMan
Where's the Barf Alert?

Doesn't surprise me though that this is coming out of the San Francisco area.

18 posted on 08/27/2006 12:39:56 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: ChessMan
Two comments. First, I'm still amazed that Leftists can, on the one hand, say that these confused little kids are born the way they are and can't and shouldn't be changed but, on the other hand, want to say that little boys and little girls who are normal can be "gender" engineered to be sex-neutral and that stereotypical sexual behavior is not inborn. Either stereotypical sexual behavior can be inborn or it can't. You can't have it one way for normal kids and the other way for abnormal kids.

Second, I'm curious that since this cluster seems to be happening in a very gay-friendly area if a disproportionate number of those kids come from gay families. Again, if you can be born gay, it would make some sense that kids of gay parents (generally lesbians) are themselves confused about their sex.

19 posted on 08/27/2006 12:40:59 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: TommyDale

When I answered your post, I was actually responding to the message #1 "Uhhh. I have no idea where to even start on this one." It´s still hard for me to find words on this issue. I am surprised that people even think of that. Why should kids "cross-dress"??? WAAHHH!!! Where´s the common sense? Oh, right, we´re talking of the San Francisco area.


20 posted on 08/27/2006 12:44:42 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (2 messages: Israel is right. .... And: United we stand.)
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To: ChessMan
Is "gender fluid" what they find in the unisex bathroom?

BARF!
21 posted on 08/27/2006 12:45:14 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
And there's a unisex bathroom.

My kid sister spent a year at the University of Massachusettts (before transferring), where they had unisex bathrrooms.

She said she spent the first six months bound up, until she figured out wearing her roommate's shoes would solve the problem ;-)

22 posted on 08/27/2006 12:47:28 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Question_Assumptions

"First, I'm still amazed that Leftists can, on the one hand, say that these confused little kids are born the way they are and can't and shouldn't be changed but, on the other hand, want to say that little boys and little girls who are normal can be "gender" engineered to be sex-neutral and that stereotypical sexual behavior is not inborn."

From the list of liberal beliefs:
Being a liberal means believing that homosexuality is genetic but gender roles are learned.


23 posted on 08/27/2006 12:48:10 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: ChessMan
Many kids want to look and act like the other sex.

Are you f%$@#&g kidding me? Only to a twisted militant gay fascist. What a pitifully transparent agenda.

24 posted on 08/27/2006 12:48:12 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: ChessMan

i'm wondering how many kids, who do identify with their biological gender,
will be confused by this...

and unisex bathrooms! good grief! that's just asking for trouble.


25 posted on 08/27/2006 12:49:59 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: Madame Dufarge
My kid sister spent a year at the University of Massachusettts (before transferring), where they had unisex bathrrooms.

Most young guys' dream; most young gals' nightmare...especially if that includes the showers.

26 posted on 08/27/2006 12:51:00 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: digger48
I thought you were kidding at first, but here one of them is at amazon:

From School Library Journal

Kindergarten-Grade 3-Elmer is not like the other male ducklings. "They boxed while Elmer baked. When they built forts, Elmer made sand castles. They had a football game, and Elmer put on a puppet show." When they call him a sissy, his mother insists that he is simply special, and "being special sometimes scares those who are not." Eventually, he is threatened by the local bully, Drake, and when he runs instead of fighting, his embarrassed father declares, "He's no son of mine!" Heartbroken, Elmer runs away and sets up house deep in the forest.

As the air turns cooler, he sneaks to the great pond to view his parents one last time before they fly south and sees his father shot by hunters. He takes him home and nurses him back to health, and when the flock returns in the spring, Elmer's father boasts about his son's bravery and loyalty. Fierstein's book, based on his award-winning animated HBO special, sends out a positive message about differences and acceptance. The cartoon images are bright and colorful. The characters are engaging, and their faces and body language are wonderfully expressive. Snappy dialogue and enhancing details abound, from Elmer's flowered backpack, to the framed picture of his parents he packs in his pillowcase before his departure. With its universal message, upbeat conclusion, and snappy illustrations, this book is sure to be a hit with children.

27 posted on 08/27/2006 12:53:16 PM PDT by ChessMan (It's not just a tagline, it's an adventure)
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To: ChessMan

I have a cousin whose 6 year old son wants to wear dresses, play with girls not boys, play with female dolls and in general appears to act more like a girl than a boy. The family talks about it but the parents seem to ignore it. I am very skeptical that people are born gay. But this makes you think. Hopefully he will grow out of it.


28 posted on 08/27/2006 12:55:09 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: ChessMan

I met a sickening excuse of a woman about 10 years ago. She was a teachers teacher. She told me things that were to strange to believe.
And hear it is in black and white.


29 posted on 08/27/2006 1:02:26 PM PDT by winodog (Buchanan is the new Perot.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
She couldn't get out of there fast enough.

And she's not a prude by any stretch of the imagination.

She was also a champion softball player in high school.

Because she enjoyed the game so much, she briefly joined a city women's softball league after high school.

The first day she showed up for practice, all the other team members flocked around her and when one remarked, "Ooh, and who's Barbara Eden?," she realized she'd made a really big mistake ;-)

30 posted on 08/27/2006 1:07:51 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: ChessMan
Image hosted by Photobucket.com only in californication...
31 posted on 08/27/2006 1:18:59 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: ChessMan

Wtf? Tell me this is satire.


32 posted on 08/27/2006 1:29:03 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: EdReform; scripter

ping


33 posted on 08/27/2006 1:29:55 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: ChessMan
there were other children who didn't dress or act in gender-typical ways.

What the heck does this mean when talking about elementary school children? Is it as simple as girls wearing jeans and playing sports? Boys who want to play jump rope?

34 posted on 08/27/2006 1:35:29 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: ChessMan

So they're going to pretend that something that exists doesn't exist? Isn't that pathological, a form of insanity?


35 posted on 08/27/2006 1:36:02 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: ChessMan

The public school system is ROTTEN to the core. Darwin's THEORY of evolution and its "survival of only the fittest" has now silenced any Judeo/Christian voice in the education system. The leftist groups determined to bring forth the "Brave New World" (ACLU, Planned Parenthood & others) will not let up. Only the immoral, warped agenda is allowed to be taught in the halls of public education any more. People wise in their own eyes have seen to that. They will face the final judge of the Universe.

Any parent concerned with the well-being of their children will take them out of the godless public schools and either homeschool them with a Christian education (in my opinion and I do still have the freedom of speech to say it, at least for now). Either that or get them into a good, sound community Christian school where they will be taught the Bible and not the ungodly claptrap that passes for literature these days.

We can thank Darwin for Margaret Sanger, the darling of Planned Parenthood as well as Adolf Hitler who decided that the Jewish people were "inferior and needed exterminating" out of the gene pool. Oh, and yes, the Columbine public school murderers, two Darwin scholars who learned the evolution lesson well - and their idea of selective elimination led to the attempt to weed out hundreds (bombs didn't go off or they would have! - Sad Darwin Award recipents, but they did succeed in eliminating from the world 15 children who believed in God and thus, not fit to live in THEIR estimation).

I nominate DARWIN for the DARWIN AWARD OF THE MILLENIUM!


36 posted on 08/27/2006 1:41:05 PM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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To: Uncle Hal

Just found out today that my brothers inlaws paid for some dance lessons for my niece, ballet and tap. Well my nephew wants to wear the ballet tutu and shoes. The mother-in-law went and bought my nephew his own tutu she thinks it's no big deal. They are 3 and a half. Needless to say I am ready to travel the 1000 miles and kidnap my nephew and let him live with his 3 boy cousins for a while. My boys have NEVER EVER wanted to wear a dress or be a girl/woman in make believe, although they always wanted to be the dog and growl at everyone. The wussification of America continues.


37 posted on 08/27/2006 1:53:03 PM PDT by panthermom
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38 posted on 08/27/2006 1:55:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Dianna

One thing this teacher said that stuck in my mind was at rest time. Girls always play with each others hair so when they sit on the mats for nap or rest teach would encourage the boys to play with each others hair.

She was bragging about how educated she was and how she taught teachers to teach crap like this.


39 posted on 08/27/2006 1:57:25 PM PDT by winodog (Buchanan is the new Perot.)
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To: ChessMan; Larry Lucido
Flo Hodes

LMAO....

I have no words...

40 posted on 08/27/2006 1:59:48 PM PDT by sit-rep (http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: ChessMan

What needs to be asked is why is this happening? and what can be done to stop it.


41 posted on 08/27/2006 2:02:11 PM PDT by puppypusher
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To: ChessMan

I guess if the adults in a community don't face reality why should the children?


42 posted on 08/27/2006 2:27:06 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Question_Assumptions
I'm curious that since this cluster seems to be happening in a very gay-friendly area if a disproportionate number of those kids come from gay families.

Bingo.

43 posted on 08/27/2006 2:30:00 PM PDT by mhx
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To: ChessMan

Sweet smokin' Jesus! I'm so tired of this multicultural and transgendered rhetoric. Gag! When I was in school some whacko tried wearing a skirt to school. The administration told him no and he made a big stink. Good Lord...don't these fruity folks know that they are only making themselves look nuttier than they already are. I don't want to see you in a man-skirt. Come on...if you've got a unit for genitalia you cannot, will not, wear skirts. Ever. Period. Freak.


44 posted on 08/27/2006 2:41:14 PM PDT by Rawlings (Tipton Time!)
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To: ChessMan

It's just part of the plan to subvert the culture.


45 posted on 08/27/2006 2:43:10 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: bill1952
In my neighborhood,the boys practice cheer-leading,and dress like very pretty girls on Halloween.I'm the only parent along with my children who think that's strange.
46 posted on 08/27/2006 2:43:41 PM PDT by patriciamary
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"Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls.
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world"

Ray Davies


47 posted on 08/27/2006 2:44:26 PM PDT by hnj_00
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To: Rawlings

Tell it to a Scotsman with a big claymore!


48 posted on 08/27/2006 2:47:23 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Rawlings

The son of some folks we knew was like this from about grade 7-12. They couldn't stop him, so they laughed about it, although nervously. This was about 15-16 years ago. He would wear girls clothes to school, but he dated girls and lived with a girlfriend after he graduated. I can't recall if they had a child, as we lost touch with that family about then....on purpose.

Well: mom left Dad for a woman, one sister is gay and this boy, now a young man, is serving time for being accessory to a murder.

Do I have to add that the entire family is PC to a fault and very superior with it, too?


49 posted on 08/27/2006 2:51:28 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: patriciamary

I think I was one of the few who regard "Halloween" emphasis on death and gore as unhealthy.Didn't and still don't like all the faker skeletons and skulls,church? and community sponsored horror halls.I believe they trivialuize murder and mayhem. Nothing against Beggar's Night and kids costuming as anything gender approriate and non-gory.

It is up to the adults to set the standards and boundaries;all too many adults appear never to have grwon up .i


50 posted on 08/27/2006 2:53:30 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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