Posted on 08/27/2006 2:06:25 PM PDT by MikeA
OK, so now I have your opinion (and much more informative than just someone calling someone else an idiot or something) and thank you for that. Now, what about the poster I actually addressed? Anyone can call names. It takes a bit more to explain why we think what we do.
susie
Next time just search on a single pertinent word, such as "Harris." Very rarely are thread titles, even if based on exactly the same source article, completely identical.
Fine, then in her unemployed state come January she'll have all the time in the world to become a TV minister where she can be as in your face with her religious beliefs as she wants. But in a political setting, she went about it entirely improperly. We need more people of faith in government, but we are not a theocracy and what she expressed sure makes it sound like that's what she wants. Unfortunately her reckless remarks open all of us conservative Christians up for ridicule now.
See my post #20 to see the contrast between how Bush expresses his faith and the sloppy way she went about it.
Will do, thanks. I've usually had good luck just using the title though. Usually it will show something similar. Today it showed not a thing, not even similar titles. Who knows what I did wrong?
This sends up huge red flags to those Christians who worship on Saturday. Her comments are about as close as it comes to reverting to the days of Blue Laws. The comments by freepers on these threads has me even more scared than the fact that Katherine Harris actually uttered them. It is obvious that there are a lot of politically active folk who would prefer a theocracy with only their own religious beliefs being legislated, banning other religions.
I believe God had a hand in setting up our system of governance including the drafting of our Constitution. But I don't believe for a minute he put a Bill Clinton in there. If God allows free will, then he allows the free will of the people to decide who their leaders will be, and that comes of their own righteousness or wickedness in chosing either good or bad leaders. That being said, I do however believe God had a hand in ensuring Bush won the Florida recount Supreme Court decision because he would have wanted a strong leader in there to handle 9-11.
Unfortunately I think you're right. And it is something that should give us all pause.
Maybe her presentation is not politically astute, but she says what she believes. She is a loyal partisan, and would never betray the administration as has Arlen Specter and others that the White House has supported. Further, it was idiotic of the GOP to just give up that Senate seat to Bill Nelson.
If we want "nuance", we could have supported John Kerry (barf).
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Your mileage may vary, just wanted to let you know where my comment came from.
susie
"but we are not a theocracy and what she expressed sure makes it sound like that's what she wants."
I don't see how. She knows we are not a theocracy and she advocated for candidates who are Christian. If she were Jewish or Catholic, would merely supporting more candidates of her same background mean she wants a theocracy? Secular Humanists (liberals) advocate electing others like them all the time. But, people of faith should not be elected because there is a danger of establishing a theocracy?!?
The argument is specious. It's the "straw man" argument, i.e., accuse her of wanting to do something she never said, then rail against that.
I know liberals would love us not to elect people of faith, but most POF respect the constitution and want to follow it more closely and the constitution clearly does not want an establishment religion. But it does not prevent people of faith from running for office.
I don't see how. She knows we are not a theocracy and she advocated for candidates who are Christian. If she were Jewish or Catholic, would merely supporting more candidates of her same background mean she wants a theocracy?
There is a big difference between saying "I support electing more Christian candidates" and saying that ONLY Christians are worthy to be elected, because otherwise the non-Christians will legislate sin. If you can't tell the difference, it's why you probably aren't a politician (and the care needed in phrasing is why I never want to be a politician, either.)
Does Hillary support Lamont in place of Lieberman? She's a politician, so I've heard. I assume he is pro-abortion, else she would not support him. I tell you, the pro-death crowd considers it a "sin" to support a pro-life candidate (see Bob Casey, Sr.), but they are not chastised in the media for wanting to establish a secular Humanist theocracy, which I do believe they would go for.
See Ann Coulter's latest book to see if liberals consider what they are doing a religious rite.
No, I'm not a politician and apparently neither is Harris, because she seems to be saying what is on her mind without PCing it, first.
My religion takes that to mean that God expects obedience to earthly governments, not that he chooses our leaders for us. Just my take.
What did Christ say about being "lukewarm?"
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I would that you were cold or hot."
"So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."
But, people of faith should not be elected because there is a danger of establishing a theocracy?!?
About one's PRIVATE devotions I meant to say.
Yeah, I'm sure there are several possible interpretations...I'm Presbyterian, so you know what that means.... ;)
susie
Katherine Harris in 2000 was brave enough to do her job, and was bashed by the media and democrats and made to look like some lunatic. So now most Florida Republicans have bought into these media lies and have painted her as unelectable. Has she been charged with a crime or is she just a victim of a massive smear machine? Its too bad she is unable to shake hands and lie about what she stands for, then we would have a sure winner.
So your an active Christian but your able to call her a pig in good conscious.
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