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Border Patrol agent fatally shoots man rock-throwing man
KVOA Tucson Channel 4 News (AP Story) ^ | August 27, 2006

Posted on 08/27/2006 9:07:43 PM PDT by SandRat

YUMA, Ariz. -- A U.S. Border Patrol agent fatally shot a man who was throwing rocks at officers from the Mexican side of the border late Saturday, officials said.

The incident began after agents spotted a suspicious vehicle near the Andrade Port of Entry west of the California-Arizona border, just north of the international border and alongside the Colorado River.

The driver fled and then tried to swim across a pond along the river in an effort to return to Mexico, the agency said in a press release.

But the man began to struggle to stay afloat and agents threw him a flotation device and began to try to rescue him. Several people on the other side of the border then began throwing rocks at the agents, and one officer was struck in the head.

The officer then shot at a man who was getting ready to throw another rock, the Border Patrol said. Mexican authorities took the man to a hospital, where he died.

Attacks on Border Patrol agents have become more common in recent years, and this year agents say they're seeing smugglers become even more violent as more federal resources make crossing into the U.S. ever more difficult.

Smugglers are throwing softball-sized rocks, hunks of concrete and whole bricks at agents, either out of frustration or to try to get authorities to back off.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: agent; aliens; border; borderpatrol; bordersecurity; borderwars; compean; fatally; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; man; narcowars; patrol; ramos; rockthrowing; shoots
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1 posted on 08/27/2006 9:07:44 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; Marine Inspector; A Navy Vet; ..

Now we're gonna see More MALDEF, la RAZA, MeChA, ACLU lawsuits sheesh!!!!


2 posted on 08/27/2006 9:09:07 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Ughhh.... huge mistake.


3 posted on 08/27/2006 9:09:41 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: SandRat

I have had Mexican kids throw rocks at my truck driving along the Border Highway in El Paso.


4 posted on 08/27/2006 9:10:31 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: SandRat

Never bring a rock to.......


5 posted on 08/27/2006 9:10:48 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: SandRat

Never bring a rock to a gunfight.


6 posted on 08/27/2006 9:10:56 PM PDT by manic4organic
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Huge mistake? Rocks can kill or maim just as easily as a bullet.


7 posted on 08/27/2006 9:11:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Graybeard58

Eight seconds!


8 posted on 08/27/2006 9:11:20 PM PDT by manic4organic
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Goliath found that out, didn't he.


9 posted on 08/27/2006 9:12:02 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: manic4organic

Had I finished the sentence it would have been a tie.


10 posted on 08/27/2006 9:12:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
A rock thrown at your head is deadly force. If it hits you in the right spot i.e. the temple, you can die.Those Border Patrol agents have every right to defend themselves with the same deadly force if necessary.
11 posted on 08/27/2006 9:14:37 PM PDT by Apercu ("Res ipsa loquitur")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Watch and see how this plays in the media. I repeat... huge mistake. This is exactly what they want.


12 posted on 08/27/2006 9:16:11 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: SandRat

Major career ender, unfortunately. I am thinking a new cross-border memorial bridge to the one shot, perhaps an adjacent theme park with rides through rapids and diversity educational pavilions.


13 posted on 08/27/2006 9:17:55 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You're never more than a half-step away from a good note.)
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To: SandRat
Have to use whatever force necessary to save the life of the drowning man.
The agent did the right thing by shooting.
14 posted on 08/27/2006 9:18:50 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: SandRat

"officer was struck in the head"


15 posted on 08/27/2006 9:18:57 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: SandRat
It was wrong to shoot this guy. Should have used artillery.
16 posted on 08/27/2006 9:19:04 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (John Bolton for Secretary of State)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Ughhh.... huge mistake."

Will you let me throw baseball size rocks at your head?


17 posted on 08/27/2006 9:19:07 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus
No. But if I shot you the media probably wouldn't turn you into a martyr either. Just watch how this border guard will be vilified.
18 posted on 08/27/2006 9:20:26 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The thing is....rocks, and other missles, can hide the REAL weapons.

If anyone has spent any time in N. Ireland, before the 08/94 "cease fire", they'd know that.


19 posted on 08/27/2006 9:21:02 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Regardless of how the media plays it, one had already been hit in the head. If our border patrol's life is in danger to we sacrifice their lives for PC?
20 posted on 08/27/2006 9:22:16 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Just watch how this border guard will be vilified."

I doubt he will be vilified any worse than if he had yelled at the guy to stop it.
This way it's one less to testify against him.


21 posted on 08/27/2006 9:23:11 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Any of yall see the picture of the woman that was stoned to death? They weren't tossing pebbles. Rocks can kill you.


22 posted on 08/27/2006 9:23:57 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SandRat
Mexican authorities took the man to a hospital, where he died.

Too bad!

23 posted on 08/27/2006 9:24:01 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW ISLAM ARE KORANIMALS!)
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Article Snippet:

"Smugglers are throwing softball-sized rocks, hunks of concrete and whole bricks at agents, either out of frustration or to try to get authorities to back off."

24 posted on 08/27/2006 9:24:10 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: CindyDawg

Uhh..

Cindy...

We're on the same team.


25 posted on 08/27/2006 9:27:42 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
"Ughhh.... huge mistake."

Hardly. It's self defence. You may think rocks are harmless, but they can kill you just as dead as a bullet. Justified shooting, no matter how hard moonbats scream.

26 posted on 08/27/2006 9:29:36 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

So, I see. Sorry:')


27 posted on 08/27/2006 9:30:35 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Minus_The_Bear

IMHO If we made it a policy that the border agents shot back immediately at anyone who attacked them, we would have fewer "incidents."


28 posted on 08/27/2006 9:32:29 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Rocks can kill or maim just as easily as a bullet.

EEE, you are usually more sensible then this.

When was the last time you saw soldiers in war carrying a load of rocks?

The last time a rock did serious damage in a battle was David vs. Goliath.

29 posted on 08/27/2006 9:32:49 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: SandRat
Several people on the other side of the border then began throwing rocks at the agents, and one officer was struck in the head.

The article doesn't get into it, but do ya reckon the other folks quit with the rock throwing when this scumbag got shot?

30 posted on 08/27/2006 9:33:11 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
"Just watch how this border guard will be vilified." It doesn't matter what media says. We already know they side with terrorists, and will do anything to discredit those who try enforce the laws in this nation.
31 posted on 08/27/2006 9:34:41 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: NRA2BFree

Mexican authorities took the man to a hospital, where he died.
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The question is: Did the shot kill him or did something else?


32 posted on 08/27/2006 9:35:01 PM PDT by Loud Mime (An undefeated enemy is still an enemy.......war has a purpose.)
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To: CindyDawg
Any of yall see the picture of the woman that was stoned to death?

In stoning, the victim is almost always immobilized, and even then I would guess the first hit is rarely fatal.

Watch and see though, charges will be brought against this agent. (Thougth I feel they should not be)

33 posted on 08/27/2006 9:36:09 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: SandRat

Rocks are dangerous objects. The officer did right.


34 posted on 08/27/2006 9:37:51 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: NRA2BFree
" Mexican authorities took the man to a hospital, where he died."

well there you go. The border guard didn't kill him after all. Some fat Liberal was getting lipo suction for cheap, and there were noMexican Doc's available to treat the guy for his wound, so they killed him and tossed him on the pile.

35 posted on 08/27/2006 9:37:54 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SandRat
The officer then shot [Good] at a man who was getting ready to throw another rock, the Border Patrol said. Mexican authorities took the man to a hospital, where he died [Excellent].
36 posted on 08/27/2006 9:39:20 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: neodad
I have had Mexican kids throw rocks at my truck driving along the Border Highway in El Paso.

Is this along Doniphan?

37 posted on 08/27/2006 9:39:27 PM PDT by CAWats (Insert Links without HTML. Click my name.)
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To: Michael.SF.

"The last time a rock did serious damage in a battle was David vs. Goliath."

You should get out, more often.


38 posted on 08/27/2006 9:39:56 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: CodeToad

Just look at what happened to Goliath.


39 posted on 08/27/2006 9:40:02 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Michael.SF.

No doubt. Look what happened to the last two. The Border Patrol need to stand up for their people IMO.


40 posted on 08/27/2006 9:40:06 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: NormsRevenge; gubamyster; Dante3; colors; Tarkus2040; c-b 1; glymers; Czar; Hacksaw; ...

Not Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean but I thought you guys might be interested since it's related to the Border Patrol:


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41 posted on 08/27/2006 9:40:54 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Minus_The_Bear

>Watch and see how this plays in the media. I repeat... huge mistake. This is exactly what they want.

Yeah, but these things always blow over when something else happens.


42 posted on 08/27/2006 9:41:15 PM PDT by CAWats (Insert Links without HTML. Click my name.)
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To: Michael.SF.
Oh and I'm not advocating routinely shooting people. I hate that the guy died and if there was another way...we weren't there though and if he felt his life was in danger I support self defense.
43 posted on 08/27/2006 9:43:15 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SandRat
Sounds like a reasonable response to a threat of grievous bodily harm.

Someone throws rocks at me and I'm not going to hesitate to reply with deadly force.

Best of luck to the officer in the witch hunt to follow, he's going to need it.
44 posted on 08/27/2006 9:43:22 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: NormsRevenge; gubamyster; Dante3; colors; Tarkus2040; c-b 1; glymers; Czar; Hacksaw; ...

Thanks for the ping.


45 posted on 08/27/2006 9:43:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: beaversmom

Thanks for the ping


46 posted on 08/27/2006 9:44:56 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I was being as sarcastic as he should have been Seriously, a rock vs. a bullet?
47 posted on 08/27/2006 9:46:45 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: CindyDawg
The Border Patrol need to stand up for their people IMO.

I am with you on that 200%!!

48 posted on 08/27/2006 9:47:54 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Michael.SF.
" The last time a rock did serious damage in a battle was David vs. Goliath."

Just how sheltered of a life do you live? Rocks kill lots of people every year, especially around Israel. Here in the USA, people are killed from rocks tossed of of overpasses, a woman was seriously injured last week from a rock dropped off an overpass.

Many are killed or maimed each year. In crazy Muslim countries, the death toll from rock tossing is very high. In fact, as mentioned, it's a weekly event. They don't have drive in theaters in Muslim countries, they have public rock tossing events, usually they begin with hand chopping, them foot chopping, and the main event is some woman accused of being a whore, buried up to her neck, a line of scrimmage (circle) around 25 feet in diameter drawn around her, and them she is pummeled to death with stones, the first one is cast by her father, husband, the next by the Imam, then the whole town gets into it. ZING! out pops an eye. POP! there goes her teeth. PING! there goes the top of her scalp on and on until she is dead.

To View such Islamic festivities, go to www.faithfreedm.org and read some stories sent in by women who have escaped the cult.

Maybe you should use google before making up your own statistics.

49 posted on 08/27/2006 9:52:38 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
see post #47.

Jeez, lighten up dude.

50 posted on 08/27/2006 9:55:42 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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