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Exploding the Charter School Myth
New York Times ^ | August 27, 2006 | NY Times

Posted on 08/27/2006 10:29:48 PM PDT by Jacob Kell

Edited on 08/27/2006 10:34:36 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A federal study showing that fourth graders in charter schools score worse in reading and math than their public school counterparts should cause some soul-searching in Congress.

Too many lawmakers seem to believe that the only thing wrong with American education is the public school system, and that converting lagging schools to charter schools would cause them to magically improve.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: charterschool; charterschools; education; myth; nea; nyslimes; nytimes; nytreasontimes; publiceducation; publicschool; publicschools; school; schools; treasonmedia; voucher; vouchers
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To: ME-262

Here, I think charters are only available to those who work with handicapped students.


21 posted on 08/28/2006 3:32:58 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Jacob Kell

B.S. story started by teacher unions no doubt.I believe the last couple of spelling bee winners were from charter or home schooled. Anything is better than A Government school.


22 posted on 08/28/2006 4:02:51 AM PDT by bikerman (Democrats the cut and run party.)
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To: Jacob Kell

I am sorry. It is the Jason Blair times. Until it is confirmed by independent sources the crediblity of anything "reported" by the NY Slimes is expected to be more propganda then fact.


23 posted on 08/28/2006 4:15:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Elections are more important then the feelings of the POS Cons (Perpetually Offended Syndrome))
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To: Jacob Kell
This one is easy. Here in Atlanta, there are several charter schools which are basically for-profit enterprises directed by out-of-state corporations. They are housed in decrepit and overcrowded buildings. Why do parents send their kids there? Because they are hoping for something, anything, that will save them from the public schools.

There is also ONE charter school that serves middle class kids. The parents in a gentrifying intown neighborhood fought for years to get the school and (when the old building was nearly destroyed by fire) to keep it open. Basically, it is parent-run, and the parents are people who know what their kids need. The school board would have loved to shut the operation down, but the parents had too much clout, so the school continues the flourish.

I suspect a study of the "charter schools" in the city would confirm the findings the Times is crowing about--the "charter schools" aren't doing any better than the public schools. But that's because not all charter schools are equivalent.

24 posted on 08/28/2006 5:19:41 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Betty Jane

Excellent overview of the pros and cons of charter schools, Betty Jane.

My two oldest sons go to a charter school, and my experience is much as you described.

Parental involvement is mandatory at my son's school: the parents have to perform a minimum of 20 documented volunteer hours per school year. If they don't do it, their children are not allowed to return the following year. Children who are serious discipline problems are not allowed to return the following year. There are strict policies on absences, tardies, and uniforms, and failure to follow them results in your child not being allowed to return the following year.

Because the charter school doesn't get as much money per pupil as the public schools, we do have *constant* fundraisers, though.

Now that the school is established (in its sixth year of operation) it is having an easier time getting experienced teachers. I think that the pay may be a little lower than the local public schools, but many teachers find it worth the lower income to be able to *teach* and to have parents who are involved and supportive.

My oldest son's teacher is a very experienced teacher who just moved to our area; her prior experience is entirely in public schools. She positively gushes about the parental involvement and help, the smaller class sizes, and especially the manners and attitudes of the kids.

I have often said that the very best thing about this school is that every child there wants to learn. (The ones with bad attitudes generally get weeded out quickly by the tough disciplinary policies.) As a result, the school is able to employ a more demanding curriculum and the vast majority of the kids succeed at it.

Last year 96% of the school's third graders passed the reading portion of the FCAT (Florida's state-mandated assessment test, which kids must pass to be promoted to fourth grade.) I believe 94% passed the math portion. Needless to say, those pass rates are far above the state and school district averages.

On the other hand, I have seen shoddy charter schools - just as there are shoddy public schools, and shoddy private schools. As a parent, you must do your homework - thoroughly research any school you are considering sending your child to!


25 posted on 08/28/2006 6:40:35 AM PDT by lasisra
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To: Jacob Kell

I think they're lying through their teeth .. as usual.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 6:52:00 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Jacob Kell

I thought this study was debunked by someone, it believe it had the NEA and unions fingerprints all over it. Can't remember where the link was...

More stories etc.. on charter schools:

http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolsexplained.htm



27 posted on 08/28/2006 7:32:47 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: Jacob Kell

"Charter school advocates denounced the new federal study even before it was released and took issue with its methodology, which is not perfect. But this study does not stand alone. The evidence so far shows that charter schools are not inherently superior to the traditional public schools they often seek to supplant — and that they are sometimes worse."
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Charter schools typically cater to lower income, or troubled students, which I think is why they were ranked 'worse;, despite indviidual student improvmenet.


28 posted on 08/28/2006 7:35:37 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: Jacob Kell
Charter schools come in many forms. In the California town where I was teaching, a group of self-indulgent, wealthy parents created a "Peace" charter school.

Then they hired a ding-bat principal to do their bidding. The first year the socialite moms were able to talk several corporations, and a public utility into donating things such as a 12,000 square foot science lab, a commercial size green house, field trips to Washington,DC, and Seattle,WA.

For the charter school's second year, it was decided to send all the 5th graders on a field trip to an African nation beset with a civil war. The purpose of the trip was for the children to be peace ambassadors. The dingbat principal and his well-coiffed followers was to have the children teach the principles of peace to a ruthless dictator and his cronies.

The school district fired the principal, when he booked forty + airline tickets with the school credit card. The enrollment at the school consisted mainly of filthy rich families, with just a few politically correct minority children. Somehow ordinary lower and middle class children never had their names drawn from the enrollment lottery. Another nearby charter school (4th - 6th grades) was labeled for gifted children. But the school's definition of gifted was both flexible and mysterious. One child, a professor's son, had serious behavior and academic difficulties, and he was selected. Two extremely bright (IQ above 130), well-motivated students were not selected. One was the daughter of an accountant, and the other was the son of a maintenance man.

29 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:24 AM PDT by Irish Queen (From the land of clean air, and deep blue skies.)
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To: cpdiii

Some charters are for kids failing, and some are for schools that are failing teaching regular kids.

As someone pointed out earlier, if a charter school fails it closes. Regular public schools can fail and still be kept open.

If parents keep on selecting a certain charter school, then maybe the parents know something that the test scores are showing. Maybe their kid has dyslexia, and will always do poor on reading tests. However at the charter school, he can still participate in other activities.

I love school choice!!!! The more choices the better.


30 posted on 08/28/2006 10:59:27 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
The charter school I work at is designed for both kinds. Parents send their kids to us various reasons: the public school never taught them to read, parents can't afford parochial or private school and don't want public school, parents can afford private school but like us better, their kid is being picked on, the kid is not being challenged, they want a smaller school, etc.

We have gifted and talented kids and we have IEP kids. We ability group our classes so each kid gets what he needs. We have kids workng one to three grade levels above in some classes and some kids one to two grade levels below in some classes. If they are too far behind, we hold them back.

We have had kids come to us who can not read in 5th & 6th grade. That kid will be reading at grade level in two years if he and his parents commit to doing it. We give him the tools to do it. It's amazing to watch a 12 year old's pride when he tells you about the first book he read by himself.

We don't take other schools' discipline problems. The students who come to us have parents who want them there. This is a school of choice. If they don't like the uniforms or the structure they're free to go elsewhere. It makes for a much more conducive learning environment.

31 posted on 08/28/2006 4:50:37 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: Betty Jane

We tried to get into a local charter that several of our friends are going to. It was full, so we went to private school.

Several of my friends and I also tried to start a charter, but we couldn't get enough support.

I love the idea of charter schools, and I hope the movement continues.


32 posted on 08/28/2006 5:50:25 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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