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Why Hemingway Is Chick-Lit (Why Men Don't Read Novels)
In These Times ^ | August 16, 2006 | Lakshmi Chaudhry

Posted on 08/28/2006 4:44:24 AM PDT by Loyalist

“When women stop reading, the novel will be dead,” declared Ian McEwan in the Guardian last year. The British novelist reached this rather dire conclusion after venturing into a nearby park in an attempt to give away free novels. The result?

Only one “sensitive male soul” took up his offer, while every woman he approached was “eager and grateful” to do the same.

Unscientific as McEwan’s experiment may be, its thesis is borne out by a number of surveys conducted in Britain, the United States and Canada, where men account for a paltry 20 percent of the market for fiction. Unlike the gods of the literary establishment who remain predominantly male—both as writers and critics—their humble readers are overwhelmingly female.

In recent years, various pundits have used this so-called “fiction gap” as an opportunity to trot out their pet theories on what makes men and women tick. The most recent is New York Times columnist David Brooks, who jumped at the chance to peddle his special brand of gender essentialism. His June 11 column arbitrarily divided all books into neat boy/girl categories—”In the men’s sections of the bookstore, there are books describing masterly men conquering evil. In the women’s sections there are novels about … well, I guess feelings and stuff.” His sweeping assertion flies in the face of publishing industry research, which shows that if “chick-lit” were defined as what women read, the term would have to include most novels, including those considered macho territory. A 2000 survey found that women comprised a greater percentage of readers than men across all genres: Espionage/thriller (69 percent); General (88 percent); Mystery/Detective (86 percent); and even Science Fiction (52 percent).

Brooks’ real agenda, however, is not to deride women’s fiction, but to promote the latest conservative talking point: blaming politically correct liberals for a “feminized” school curriculum that turns young boys “into high school and college dropouts who hate reading.” According to Brooks, we have burdened little boys with “new-wave” novels about “introspectively morose young women,” when they would be better served by suitably masculine writers like Ernest Hemingway. “It could be, in short, that biological factors influence reading tastes, even after accounting for culture,” Brooks claims. “The problem is that even after the recent flurry of attention about why boys are falling behind, there is still intense social pressure not to talk about biological differences between boys and girls (ask Larry Summers).”

It takes a bizarre leap of logic to connect current school curricula to the reading habits of adult men. Moreover, there is no indication that men “hate reading”—women just read more fiction. Men out-read women by at least ten percentage points when it comes to nonfiction books—surely good news for the bestselling author of Bobos in Paradise.

To be fair, conservatives like Brooks are not the only talking-heads to resort to biological determinism in explaining the “fiction gap.” Psychologist Dorothy Rowe told the Observer that women like fiction because they have richer and more complex imaginations. “Women have always had to try to understand what other people are doing because women have always had to negotiate their way through the family,” she said. “They have always had to get their power by having a pretty good idea of what’s going on inside other people and using that knowledge to get them to do things.” Quite apart from the unintended implication that feminism is likely to fulfill McEwan’s worst fears—i.e., kill the novel—such arguments reproduce the worst kind of gender stereotypes: Women as sensitive, emotionally intelligent creatures; men as unreflective dolts.

Cognitive literary critic Lisa Zunshine, whose multidisciplinary field integrates the insights offered by cognitive science to better understand fiction, offers a more modest and nuanced hypothesis. Her book, Why We Read Fiction, argues that fiction as a literary form offers us pleasure because it engages our ability to mind-read, “a term used by cognitive psychologists, interchangeably with ‘Theory of Mind,’ to describe our ability to explain people’s behavior in terms of their thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and desires.” Fiction, therefore, “lets us try on different mental states.”

Women are more likely than men to enjoy reading fiction, period (as opposed to just reading about “feelings and stuff”), because “they generally want more input for their Theory-of-Mind adaptations,” says Zunshine. “They want to experience other ‘minds in action’—which is another way of defining ‘empathy’—much more than men do.”

Zunshine underscores the fact that such cognitive research is based on “average statistical scores,” and offers no guidance as to what individual men or women may read. Moreover, the biological difference between male and female Theory-of-Mind is small, and likely only accounts for a “somewhat greater” predilection for fiction among women.

But in a culture infused with polarizing messages about gender, such small differences can be magnified into vast disparities. If the act of reading novels today seems more “girly”—because of female-dominated book clubs or a publishing industry increasingly geared toward its most loyal customers, i.e., women—then men are less likely to do so. That’s partly why Jonathan Franzen worried about being endorsed by Oprah. Franzen told NPR, “I had some hope of actually reaching a male audience [for The Corrections] and I’ve heard more than one [male] reader in signing lines now at bookstores say ‘If I hadn’t heard you, I would have been put off by the fact that it is an Oprah pick. I figure those books are for women. I would never touch it.’ “

Desperate efforts to “macho” up the novel include Penguin’s “Good Booking” campaign, which sent out—who else?—beautiful models to award prizes of £1,000 each month to any British man under 25 caught in flagrante with one of its testosterone-friendly titles. The advertising tag line? “What women really want is a man with a Penguin.”

Apart from sex with beautiful models, men are also socialized to seek out activities that confer status—which, these days, sadly doesn’t include reading novels. According to novelist Walter Kirn, “If novelists have become culturally invisible—at least to today’s men—it’s partly because the life of a novelist offers few rewards to the traditional male ego. It’s not about power, glory and money,” unlike the adulation our culture reserves for rap stars, athletes and movie actors.

Don’t look now, but we may be headed back to the 19th century, when the novel was considered a low-status, frivolous, pastime of ladies of leisure, unfit for real men. As Margaret Atwood pointed out in a 1998 speech, “To trace the trajectory of the novel is to follow the struggle of the novelist—even, perhaps especially, the male novelist—to be taken seriously—that is, to raise the perception of his chosen form from that of a piece of silly frou-frou to the higher, more male realm of capital-A Art.” This project kicked into high gear in the 20th century—so much so that by 1935 Ernest Hemingway could blithely declare, “All modern American literature comes from one book by Mark Twain called Huckleberry Finn.”—and reached its peak during the chest-thumping Beat movement.

But were men more likely to read novels when Jack Kerouac ruled the literary world? The answer is unclear, primarily because industry research in this area has been erratic until recent decades. So, it’s hard to establish a definitive link between the size of male readership and the status accorded fiction in society—at least over the past 100 years. Nor do we know if these trends hold true in other, non-English speaking cultures.

What is clear is that the novel seems to be reverting to its origins as a feminine hobby, and hence is in danger of being toppled off its high artistic perch. Explaining his newspaper’s decision to radically cut down on fiction reviews, New York Times editor Bill Keller told a Poynter columnist, “The most compelling ideas tend to be in the non-fiction world.” Others, like Toronto Star book columnist Phillip Marchand, are happy to quote their 19th century forbears like poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge—”Where the reading of novels prevails as a habit, it occasions in time the entire destruction of the powers of the mind.”—to conclude, “And if non-fiction can provide examples of fresh and precise use of language, and enlargement of our powers of sympathy and imagination, there’s no reason to insist, in the case of male readers, that it make way for fiction.”

It’s a good thing, then, that the great male novelists can still rely on us girls to finance their literary careers.


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A 2000 survey found that women comprised a greater percentage of readers than men across all genres: Espionage/thriller (69 percent); General (88 percent); Mystery/Detective (86 percent); and even Science Fiction (52 percent).

The last figure about science fiction surprised me until I realized that the fantasy genre--about as male-repellent as any neon pink covered chick-lit drivel--is now lumped in with it by booksellers.

Classic SF and current SF based on classic themes still remain man's domain.

1 posted on 08/28/2006 4:44:26 AM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist

Maybe it's because the men are out working, making money so that their women can go buy books to read...


2 posted on 08/28/2006 4:49:51 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Loyalist
You have to look at the type of books also. My mom and my aunts read tons of short mystery novels, and can complete about five in the time it takes me to read one of my verbose tomes. I think I've seen a woman read science fiction once in my life. I think the stats are skewed a little.

Some of the crappy novels men are supposed to read in High School and College sometimes doesn't help either.
3 posted on 08/28/2006 4:53:06 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: Loyalist

Just give the boys some Raymond Chandler. They'll be all right.


4 posted on 08/28/2006 4:54:18 AM PDT by 12B
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To: Loyalist

Real men rent it at the video store, especially if it has allot of scenes of things blowing up, etc.


5 posted on 08/28/2006 4:55:07 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Loyalist
While I no longer read novels as voraciously as I had when I was a kid (manuals and systems guides are primary reading material these days), I do continue to read some now and then. Espionage for me, and Tom Clancy for certain, plus the old authors (Clavell, Lustbader) who I re-read.

BTW: Does anyone know when the new Clancy novel is due out? It was originally expected in late May.

6 posted on 08/28/2006 4:55:08 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Loyalist
This classification doesn't include the truly great (and in my opinion, very male-centric) Flashman series by George MacDonald Fraser. Funny, historically literate, and great entertainment. My wife tried the first one, but only finished about half of it, telling me that it was clearly written for men. I've never recommended the series to anyone who, after reaidng the first book, didn't immediately want to read the whole series.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 4:56:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Loyalist

I went to the bookstore to get a book for some summer reading and all I could find was crap like the "Sisterhood of the traveling pants" and "Goodnight Nobody".

Bookstores are too commericals. A woman I know even told me she thought such "chick lit" books were crap and she prefered the classics.



8 posted on 08/28/2006 4:57:48 AM PDT by Perdogg (Democrats = terrorists)
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To: Cincinatus

Maybe it wasn't to your wife's taste, but I'm among the women who enjoy all of "Flashy's" adventures! :)


9 posted on 08/28/2006 4:59:56 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Loyalist
"blaming politically correct liberals for a “feminized” school curriculum that turns young boys “into high school and college dropouts who hate reading.”

How true....this forced reading from book lists did not create a love of reading with my boys, they would rather work on cars or clean guns....they have read more away from school than when they were in it. I doubt books like "One Shot One Kill" would have made it on any HS book list...
10 posted on 08/28/2006 5:00:06 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Loyalist

Male reader of novels here. The only thing that restricts my novel reading is working (of course) and females who want me to talk, talk, talk about my day. ;-)


11 posted on 08/28/2006 5:01:20 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Physicist

biblio-ping....


12 posted on 08/28/2006 5:01:54 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Loyalist
I tend towards agreeing with the "curricula" angle. I studied English literature as the postmodern "craze" swept American campuses. (My college career spanned more than a decade, so I really got to see the before and after).

Reading that was once fun for classes that were actually interesting became a chore, once one factored-in all the "required" authors of color, gender, sexual preference, and economic or victim status. Practically the only people enjoying it were the chicks.

13 posted on 08/28/2006 5:04:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: linda_22003

Well, you clearly have excellent taste! I think she might have found Flashy a bit too predictable. She's also not quite the history fan I am.


14 posted on 08/28/2006 5:05:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Cincinatus

"Flashman at the Charge" was LOL-in-public funny!

Sir Harry's view of, and uses for, women is another good reason to delve into this series. Bill Clinton, call your office!


15 posted on 08/28/2006 5:06:13 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Loyalist
I read nonfiction almost exclusively. The only time I drift into the fiction world is when I read something from the LA & NY Times or the Washington Post here on the FR.
16 posted on 08/28/2006 5:13:25 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Loyalist
Any bookseller will tell you that their are men's books and women's books. Seldom do the two meet.

In my opinion, as a book seller and a book reader, the current lack of interest among men in the fiction genre is based soley on the very poor quality of fiction being produced. I mean, really, how many books about a struggling writer searching for his muse can one tolerate?

How many travails of middle-aged, divorced, alcoholic college professors can possibly be interesting?

Stephen King, Tom Clancy and Bernard Cornwell have demonstrated that if you actually have a story to tell men will buy it.

17 posted on 08/28/2006 5:14:10 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Loyalist

Gee, an industry dominated by gay males and leftist females. I couldn't guess why male readers are leaving.


18 posted on 08/28/2006 5:14:20 AM PDT by Leisler (Islam is the ROP. I know because the President told me so.)
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To: elcid1970
I always thought that Flashy and Bill Clinton have a lot in common, except for Flashman's absolute truthfulness (at least in his memoirs.) If you want to read some real fiction, try Bill Clinton's My Life.
19 posted on 08/28/2006 5:17:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Loyalist

> It’s a good thing, then, that the great male novelists can still rely on us girls to finance their literary careers.

What a load of feminist-apologist CRAP. As if girls invented how to read. So what is this, a contest? Which sex has read most, read wisest, understood and comprehended best?

Bring it on.


20 posted on 08/28/2006 5:22:02 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: Loyalist

Who's got time for fiction? Men read, they just don't read fiction.


21 posted on 08/28/2006 5:22:26 AM PDT by Huck (There is a $2.00 service charge for this tagline---do you still wish to proceed?)
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To: 12B

Mickey Splllaine (sp) or Rex Stout?


22 posted on 08/28/2006 5:27:08 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Huck

I wouldn't say that, since I read a lot of fiction including Terry Pratchett, Robert Heinlein, Orson Scott Card, Mickey Spillane, J.R.R. Tolkien, H.P. Lovecraft, Jamie Gorelick's portion of the 9/11 Commission Report...


23 posted on 08/28/2006 5:35:19 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: Terabitten
Thank you so much for that sweeping generalization. Give me a break.

I'm a single woman who works, yet I manage to read a lot. I read non-fiction, and I read novels. Good novels. I think "good" is the operative word here. So much of what is out there today is trash. Give me Austen, Fielding, Trollope, Wharton, etc., any day of the week.

Boys will read if you give them good books to read. When my brother was little, he loved the Hornblower books. But, since there weren't any women in the Royal Navy in the early 19th century, they're not politically correct. Tough noogies. They're still great reads, even for girls. My nephew loves the Captain Underpants books. They offend his mother, but they get him to read, and that's what counts.

24 posted on 08/28/2006 5:36:37 AM PDT by kellynch (Expecto Patronum!)
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To: Loyalist
I have enjoyed reading ever since I could learn how to read. I still remember the first 1,000 plus page book - The Rise and Fall of the Third Riech, which I have read a total of three times. I use to keep a list of the books I read during the year. What I wanted to do was read 100 books in a year. The best I ever did was 71. I have heard of people that are prolific readers and for them, 100 books in a year is childs play.

In 1972, I really became interested in footbal and the Redskins in particular. I started reading everything I could about those two subjects. Before then, I would go to the library and pick up collections of short stories - Great Mysteries of 1956, 1957, and so on. I read a lot of short stories that I had either seen as a movie before I read the story or afterward. In the mid-70's, I started reading Joseph Wambaugh and spy thrillers such as Jack Higgins and Colin Forbes. In recent years, I have read more political books than novels. I use to like Stephen King and Tom Clancy, but no longer. My favorite author of all time is James Jones and currently I enjoy Dean Koontz.

I have two grandsons and I look at what they are forced to read in school and required summer reading. Most of it are books that "educators" think would "stimulate" the mind. I would not last long as a teacher because I would just as soon have kids read a graphic novel than Hemmingway. I remember in 7th grade English, we were required to read Wurthering Heights. What sheer, utter boredom for a twelve year old boy!

25 posted on 08/28/2006 5:38:10 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Loyalist

Patrick O'Brian, A very fine novelist. I also read Thomas Hardy, but, I prefer a good murder mystery.

From my observations (non-scientific) is that men are reading non-fiction for the most part. History, Poli-Sci, Science, or Economics.

I totally agree about the Sci-Fi/Fatasy. But, don't forget books like Xanth....I don't think of those as Chick-lit.

Tolkien is now considered straight literature.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 5:41:34 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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Haven't read much since the betamax was invented. It's better to see & hear explosions.

Clancy and Grisham are exceptions.


27 posted on 08/28/2006 5:45:32 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: Pietro
Stephen King, Tom Clancy and Bernard Cornwell have demonstrated that if you actually have a story to tell men will buy it.

Good point. I've read some of the drivel that is talked about non-stop and cannot see what the appeal is...to anyone but a woman. I've known plenty of guys that have read Infinite Jest, by David Foster Wallace, and thought it was the greatest but I've never known a female to get past the first chapter.
28 posted on 08/28/2006 5:48:40 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: 7thson
You, too? I've kept a list of everything I've read since January of 1986. I started the list because I was tired of being driven crazy wanting to reread something-but not being able to remember the title or author! Now if I want to reread something, even something I read years ago, scanning the list of titles/authors will jog my memory as to which book it was .

I average 160 books a year, of which 60-70% are nonfiction, 30-40% fiction. For nonfiction I like history (esp US civil war), biography, social history, mythology/folklore/theology, and for fiction, I prefer classics (I hardly ever read fiction published after 1899), high fantasy, and 'worldbuilder' or soft SF. (Yeah, I keep tabs on what kinds of books I read, too).

29 posted on 08/28/2006 5:48:57 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: Loyalist

I want to write a book someday...


30 posted on 08/28/2006 5:48:58 AM PDT by devane617 (It's McCain and a Rat -- Now what?)
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To: Loyalist
The problem is that men have no desire to read all those crappy paperbacks with Fabio's hair on the cover art. I know several women who have hundreds of those stupid "romance novels". I would rather read Hemingway, Clancy (even though he's gone insane on National defense and doesn't actually write most of what has his name on the cover), or Ted Bell.

I usually buy a new book whenever I have to travel by air, as it supplies readily accessible entertainment that can be stopped and started at will, and I don't have to pull it out of my carry-on for separate x-raying. I usually end up going to several different book stores to find something worth reading. There is just too much crap on the shelves.

31 posted on 08/28/2006 5:49:37 AM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: Loyalist

Fantasy isn't male repellant. What is so repugnant about LotR? I read plenty of it, as well as Science Fiction.


32 posted on 08/28/2006 5:53:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: kellynch

"They offend his mother, but they get him to read, and that's what counts"


It offends HIS MOTHER but you don't care what drivel you place in that child's mind.

That is the reason that the progressive schools are succeeding in dumbing down America. They don't care about HIS MOTHER either.


33 posted on 08/28/2006 5:53:39 AM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: Kimmers
I doubt books like "One Shot One Kill" would have made it on any HS book list...

One of my personal favories>

34 posted on 08/28/2006 5:53:59 AM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: Cincinatus

The Flashman series is great fun...but what about other, similar 'guy stuff', beginning with the Hornblower books, or in more recent years, Cornwell's Richard Sharpe series, or Patrick O'Brien's superb Aubry/Maturin ("Master and Commander, etc.) series?

Any other recommendations?


35 posted on 08/28/2006 5:54:51 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: Loyalist

From this male's perspective, a lot of it has to do with the quality of books coming out these days.

I vowed this year to read a modern novel. I plowed my way through "The House of Sand and Fog." The theme of the book seems to be "everyone is a victim. Nobody can be expected to show any moral responsibility. Let's feel sorry for the victims."

I then found an old dusted copy of Bernard Malamud's "The Assistant" on my bookshelf. Now that is a fine novel. The novel has interesting characters, a good plot, and has fine things to say about the struggle to lead a moral life. It was also written in the late fifties.

Because the cultural relativism of the sixties killed the idea (at least in the literary world) that people should struggle to be moral, fiction has suffered. Once we lose the idea that people have a responsibility to do the right thing even if it isn't easy, the only thing left to write about is victimhood. The result is "oh, poor me!" literature like "The Color Purple" and "The Handmaid's Tale" and "The House of Sand and Fog" and a thousand others. Unfortunately, a lot of people (mostly women) think of themselves as victims, so the victim novel has considerable popularity.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 5:54:57 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Verloona Ti

I started listing back in 1977. My 'year' went from September 1 through August 31. Why? Because I arrived in Naples, Italy on August 31, 1977 and decided to use that date as my mark. 160 books a year - extremely impressive! There are some authors I've read that can take up an entire page on a list - Stephen King and Dean Koontz. I prefer American fiction to English.


37 posted on 08/28/2006 5:59:00 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: EricT.

I am with you concerning reading on a plane trip. Usually, a couple weeks before I go on a flight, I will find a few books - usually three - to take with me. One for the flight there, one to read while there, and the third to read on the flight back.


38 posted on 08/28/2006 6:01:00 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Terabitten
Maybe it's because the men are out working, making money so that their women can go buy books to read...

ROTFL. You're either a great humorist or incredibly stupid. You pick.

39 posted on 08/28/2006 6:01:44 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: ShadowDancer
ROTFL. You're either a great humorist or incredibly stupid. You pick.

I'm both, depending on what time of day you have in mind. :)

40 posted on 08/28/2006 6:03:32 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Loyalist
Classic SF and current SF based on classic themes still remain man's domain.

I've seen and known women who read sci fi voraciously. However, I'm really stretching the definition of 'woman' here.

41 posted on 08/28/2006 6:05:12 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Loyalist

As a man, I used to read a lot, but got tired of reading garbage.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 6:08:53 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: Jonah Hex

Well, I'm the wrong one to talk to. I'll grant you Heinlein is fun, but that's basically kid's stuff. Tolkein to me is completely worthless. That whole genre to me is completely worthless. The Gorelick thing is funny, though! When I was a train commuter, I wore out my library card. It was the best way to use the time. But I just about never read fiction. I think I did in fact read "Farmers in the Sky" by Heinlein, and I also read one of Tom Wolfe's novels. But 90+% of my reading was non-fiction. Primarily history, which you could argue is part fact, part fiction. I like biographies and history books. Frontier history, US history. Wagon trains, injuns, that sorta thing. Not only is it suspenseful and exciting and riveting, it has the added bonus of actually being educational and factual.


43 posted on 08/28/2006 6:14:28 AM PDT by Huck (There is a $2.00 service charge for this tagline---do you still wish to proceed?)
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To: Loyalist

I'm pretty picky about whose mind I want to "experience" anymore. I'm sticking with George Eliot, Edith Wharton, and Jane Austen, and a little Herman Wouk. Maybe an Ayn Rand bout again. It's got to be worthy.


44 posted on 08/28/2006 6:20:46 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Loyalist

I don't read too much fiction these days - there's too much going on in the real world that occuppies my attention. But there are still certain authors who's books I always read - Stephen Coonts and James Lee Burke for example.


45 posted on 08/28/2006 6:28:53 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Pietro

How about the novels of Lee Child and Brian Haig?


46 posted on 08/28/2006 6:30:07 AM PDT by Carolinamom (This is no time to go wobbly. - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: 1rudeboy

"Reading that was once fun for classes that were actually interesting became a chore, once one factored-in all the "required" authors of color, gender, sexual preference, and economic or victim status."

When I took "World Literature" in college, I had a woman professor. I believe most every book or story we read was written by women. It was a chore to get through. So many paragraphs full of nothing more than whiny chick-thoughts.


47 posted on 08/28/2006 6:33:28 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: TimesDomain
If you knew his mother, you would understand. She's a humorless liberal. The child, however, is 8 and reads at a 6th grade level. So what if he likes Captain Underpants? The books are funny as hell...for 8-year-old boys.

I would greatly appreciate it if you did not make such pronouncements when you don't know the full story.

48 posted on 08/28/2006 6:36:10 AM PDT by kellynch (Expecto Patronum!)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I love Austen, but Eliot is, IMO, somewhat ponderous. Have you ever read Trollope? Wonderful stuff!


49 posted on 08/28/2006 6:37:06 AM PDT by kellynch (Expecto Patronum!)
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To: L98Fiero

Hell, even reading the classics became a chore, with all the blather about race/gender issues, and the all-encompassing and insipid discussion of "the Other."


50 posted on 08/28/2006 6:37:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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