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Cannabis should be decriminalized for the same reasons that alcohol is
The Prometheus Institute ^ | 8/28/2006 | Editorial

Posted on 08/28/2006 7:29:35 AM PDT by tang0r

It turns out that alcohol is legal for the simplest, most nostalgic, and most American reason of all. Despite its risks and harmful side-effects, adults are reserved right to drink because they are independent adults in a free country. For all of the empty rhetoric about economics and black markets, the end of Prohibition was due to a single principle: even if drinking may be bad for society, government has no right to keep the people from doing it. The ability to get drunk is an inalienable right that we have forever confirmed with the 18th Amendment.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy
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1 posted on 08/28/2006 7:29:35 AM PDT by tang0r
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To: tang0r

Not this again.


2 posted on 08/28/2006 7:30:33 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: tang0r

Or we should outlaw alcohol again...


3 posted on 08/28/2006 7:31:50 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: tang0r


Great way to have a generation of kids only grow up to live in their parents basement playing X-box...

Stupid Stoner Krap Ping...


4 posted on 08/28/2006 7:32:03 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: tang0r

Heaven forbid common sense enter into the pot issue . . .


6 posted on 08/28/2006 7:32:50 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Not this again.

--chuckle--

7 posted on 08/28/2006 7:32:58 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: tang0r
AW GEEZ!
8 posted on 08/28/2006 7:33:44 AM PDT by guitar4jesus (Black, Conservative . . . and I vote!)
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To: tang0r
Alcohol is a bad thing. Drink enough and you can be impaired for a day or even two.

Marijuana, however, impairs a user for weeks. It's use is also tied to the development of schizophrenia and clinical depression.

Equating the two is pointless.
9 posted on 08/28/2006 7:33:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

The South Park guys had the best philosophy about pot.

It just makes you content with being bored.


10 posted on 08/28/2006 7:33:54 AM PDT by SeanOGuano
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Don't we have that already?


11 posted on 08/28/2006 7:34:05 AM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: tang0r

So let me get this straight - there's a push to ban smoking cigarettes, but allow smoking pot???? Makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it?


12 posted on 08/28/2006 7:34:43 AM PDT by redlocks322
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To: tang0r

Drunkards are very intolerant...


13 posted on 08/28/2006 7:36:08 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Peace Through Victory)
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To: Hong Kong Expat

14 posted on 08/28/2006 7:36:15 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: tang0r
while there may be merit from a legal/criminal/common sense standpoint, this must never be allowed to happen because then the hippies will have won.
15 posted on 08/28/2006 7:36:45 AM PDT by bencarter
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To: tang0r

Nice logical libertarian argument.

Now watch the single-minded, blue-nosed "conservatives" here, flame broil you for lunch.

Sigh, now I've gone and done it!! FLAME ON!!!


16 posted on 08/28/2006 7:36:53 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Or we should outlaw alcohol again...

Are you advocating that?

17 posted on 08/28/2006 7:38:08 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: tang0r

Nice logical libertarian argument.

Now watch the single-minded, blue-nosed "conservatives" here, flame broil you for lunch.

Sigh, now I've gone and done it!! FLAME ON!!!


18 posted on 08/28/2006 7:39:10 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: tang0r
Alcohol has little or no proven medicinal value

This is a blatent lie in the article.

19 posted on 08/28/2006 7:39:11 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: mtbopfuyn

When the George Soros backed Democrat liberals begin winning elections you will see the move toward legalization of drugs. I understand Soros wants drugs legalized. The carnage on the roads from alcohol consumption is ugly. Anyone have numbers from the pot smokers accident numbers?
I have been told they are not even close.


20 posted on 08/28/2006 7:39:35 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: tang0r

William F.Buckley Jr.AGREES!!!!!!!!!!!!!


21 posted on 08/28/2006 7:39:42 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: tang0r

I wouldn't mind decriminalizing drugs if we could simply hold those who did something to another while under the influence as though it were premeditated.

That, coupled with a strong torture penalty, would let me go with legalizing drugs.

And you can put me first in line as a guest torturer.


23 posted on 08/28/2006 7:40:42 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: BenLurkin
"Equating the two is pointless

no,
discussing legalization of THIS drug is pointless...
with you and so many "so called" conservatives..

phhff

24 posted on 08/28/2006 7:40:57 AM PDT by xhrist ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. " - C.S. Lewis)
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To: redlocks322
What the advocates of legalizing pot fail to understand is that once the gov't gets its regulations on pot the user will barely be able to get high. Once that is done then the lawyers will sue the manufacturers for the ill effects of pot and bankrupt the industry.

I don't have a problem with decriminalizing pot as far as users go, maybe ticketing them or doing something akin to what people with DWI's go through. If they want to arrest the dealers that would make more sense.

25 posted on 08/28/2006 7:40:58 AM PDT by nativist (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting, but never hit soft.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I wish we would form a seperate back room topic area for this pot stuff.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 7:41:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: oldironsides
Anyone have numbers from the pot smokers accident numbers? I have been told they are not even close.

I remember someone stating on FR that pot smokers drive better than drivers stone cold sober. Honestly. With a straight face.

27 posted on 08/28/2006 7:42:43 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: tang0r
For all of the empty rhetoric about economics and black markets, the end of Prohibition was due to a single principle:

Prohibition failed because it wasn't a prohibition. Possession was legal, doctors gave out millions of prescriptions for whiskey, low alcohol beer was legal, and law enforcement was banned from establishments that served alcohol.

28 posted on 08/28/2006 7:43:06 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: xhrist
No, let's discuss it.

But first, respectfully, will you concede that conservative and libertarian are not the same thing.
29 posted on 08/28/2006 7:44:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: longtermmemmory

The pot crowd has been particularly active the past few days. I think it maybe because of the Colorado referendum.


30 posted on 08/28/2006 7:44:29 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: BenLurkin
But first, respectfully, will you concede that conservative and libertarian are not the same thing.

Amen to that. Totally different animals.

31 posted on 08/28/2006 7:44:55 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Moonman62
The pot crowd has been particularly active the past few days.

Sounds like a contradiction.

32 posted on 08/28/2006 7:46:26 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: tang0r

Does anybody not agree that FEDERAL drug laws are unconstitutional? I thought we all worshipped the enumeration around here (I know I do). In the good old days when the Con. was respected, and the FED wanted to do something about a drug, they had the decency to do it right -- moving against alcohol through a legal Constitutional amendment process. My view is this -- NO fed. drug laws. If the state of TX wants to put you in jail for 10,000,000,000,000,000 years for merely thinking about pot, that's up to the people of the state of TX. If MASS wants to reward you with praise for smoking 10,000,000,000,000,000 pounds of pot, that's up to the people of the state of MASS.


33 posted on 08/28/2006 7:47:12 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: BenLurkin
Alcohol is a bad thing. Drink enough and you can be impaired for a day or even two.

Drink enough and it will impair your ability to live.

Marijuana, however, impairs a user for weeks.

Nonsense. Even though the two substances take different amounts of time to be eliminated from the system, taking that to mean that any level "impairs" the user is baloney.

It's use is also tied to the development of schizophrenia and clinical depression.

Like alcohol? So they are the same, kinda?

Equating the two is pointless.

If you are trying to avoid being on the wring side of an argument, yes it is pointless for you to concede.

They are different substances, yes. So they do different things. But they are similar in enough other aspects to make the comparisons on those levels valid.

And no, I have never used it.

34 posted on 08/28/2006 7:48:08 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: oldironsides

"Anyone have numbers from the pot smokers accident numbers?
I have been told they are not even close."

And they wouldn't be.

Since Alchohol is legal and more people drink then do smoke pot, then the numbers wouldn't even be close.

If the numbers of consumers was even, or near even, to begin with, then you would probably find that the number of accidents were nearly equal.


35 posted on 08/28/2006 7:48:26 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: redlocks322
So let me get this straight - there's a push to ban smoking cigarettes, but allow smoking pot???? Makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it?

And they want to ban high-sugar sweets, but allow it to be cooked into brownies? :-)

36 posted on 08/28/2006 7:49:42 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: BenLurkin

"It's use is also tied to the development of schizophrenia and clinical depression."

You got that right. I have a family member who's clinical depression diagnosis points to such a causation. Pot is a very different kind of intoxicant than alchohol. And it stinks like hell.


37 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:18 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Al Gator
"Now watch the single-minded, blue-nosed "conservatives" here, flame broil you for lunch. "

People that advocate the state aggressively and violently interfering in people's lives to enforce their particular world-view aren't conservative they're socialists.
38 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:00 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: tang0r

Should it also be legal for soldiers to get stoned when off duty?


39 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:13 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (More and more churches are nada scriptura.)
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To: tang0r
No one can - nor should try to - challenge the fact that alcoholism is a social disease, that youth drinking creates a net loss to society, that nearly all alcohol consumption is physically unhealthy, and that there is little medicinal or health benefit to the substance itself.


40 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:14 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: tang0r
Just think of the riches that will flow into City and State treasuries to prevent abuse with steep taxes similar to Cigarettes.
And all those lost income opportunities for hordes of the permanently non working part of society.
And, oh yes, how all of a sudden our law enforcing segment will swing into full action to eradicate free traders by enforcing the serious crime of tax cheating on pot.
Taxes as a moral deterrent, sounds so convincing coming from politicians.
41 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:56 AM PDT by hermgem (The same)
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To: frogjerk
I remember someone stating on FR that pot smokers drive better than drivers stone cold sober. Honestly. With a straight face.

Yeah. When I was young and foolish, I was known to hit a joint every now and again. I remember being high and driving down the interstate at 25 miles per hour for lord who knows how long without realizing it.

Great drivers.

APf

42 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:05 AM PDT by APFel (Individualism. The alpha and the omega.)
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To: tang0r
Try getting a job in construction with a positive test for marijuana.

They won't turn you in but they also will not hire you and if you do pass will fire you in a second if you fail subsequent tests.

Only a matter of time before some attorney makes a drug test part of his civil suit litigation in accidents.

43 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:51 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Protagoras
Alcohol is a bad thing. Drink enough and you can be impaired for a day or even two.

Drink enough and it will impair your ability to live.

Drink the right amount and you will live longer.

44 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:54 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: tang0r
I think we should double our taxes so that the government will have enough police to stop anyone who wants to get intoxicated or high.

There are clearly not enough drug sniffing dogs deployed in public places and we need enough to randomly patrol neighborhoods and see what they can sniff out. We should do random drug tests at each concert venue and ball park. One period of each school day should be spent pulling students out at random. Anyone who has ever been in possession should have drug testing for at least ten years until they prove they are no longer using.

We'll win this war if we have to go bankrupt doing it.

Some of these people think they have the freedom to use this stuff. Where do they get such a ridiculous idea?

45 posted on 08/28/2006 7:53:29 AM PDT by osideplanner
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To: oldironsides

what in the world makes you think big-government nany-state liberals would advocate an increase in personal liberty?

this pie-in-the-sky fallacy is maybe the only reason Dems get elected in this country, and you help them by perpetuating the myth.

It would be interesting if one of the major parties became an advocate for personal liberty and limited government, but unfortunately both tend toward statist policies to keep their awkward coalitions voting for them.


46 posted on 08/28/2006 7:54:48 AM PDT by fnord (497 1/2 feet of rope ... I just carry it)
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To: frogjerk
Drink the right amount and you will might live longer.

Edited for clarity.

47 posted on 08/28/2006 7:55:17 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

and CLARETy


48 posted on 08/28/2006 7:55:56 AM PDT by osideplanner
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To: APFel

"I remember being high and driving down the interstate at 25 miles per hour for lord who knows how long without realizing it."

All I can remember saying to myself was "Was that light Red or Green that I just went through?"


49 posted on 08/28/2006 7:56:20 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: BenLurkin
But first, respectfully, will you concede that conservative and libertarian are not the same thing.

Concede it? He should shout it from the roof tops!

50 posted on 08/28/2006 7:58:12 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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