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Cannabis should be decriminalized for the same reasons that alcohol is
The Prometheus Institute ^ | 8/28/2006 | Editorial

Posted on 08/28/2006 7:29:35 AM PDT by tang0r

It turns out that alcohol is legal for the simplest, most nostalgic, and most American reason of all. Despite its risks and harmful side-effects, adults are reserved right to drink because they are independent adults in a free country. For all of the empty rhetoric about economics and black markets, the end of Prohibition was due to a single principle: even if drinking may be bad for society, government has no right to keep the people from doing it. The ability to get drunk is an inalienable right that we have forever confirmed with the 18th Amendment.

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To: tang0r
Just think of the riches that will flow into City and State treasuries to prevent abuse with steep taxes similar to Cigarettes.
And all those lost income opportunities for hordes of the permanently non working part of society.
And, oh yes, how all of a sudden our law enforcing segment will swing into full action to eradicate free traders by enforcing the serious crime of tax cheating on pot.
Taxes as a moral deterrent, sounds so convincing coming from politicians.
41 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:56 AM PDT by hermgem (The same)
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To: frogjerk
I remember someone stating on FR that pot smokers drive better than drivers stone cold sober. Honestly. With a straight face.

Yeah. When I was young and foolish, I was known to hit a joint every now and again. I remember being high and driving down the interstate at 25 miles per hour for lord who knows how long without realizing it.

Great drivers.

APf

42 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:05 AM PDT by APFel (Individualism. The alpha and the omega.)
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To: tang0r
Try getting a job in construction with a positive test for marijuana.

They won't turn you in but they also will not hire you and if you do pass will fire you in a second if you fail subsequent tests.

Only a matter of time before some attorney makes a drug test part of his civil suit litigation in accidents.

43 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:51 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Protagoras
Alcohol is a bad thing. Drink enough and you can be impaired for a day or even two.

Drink enough and it will impair your ability to live.

Drink the right amount and you will live longer.

44 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:54 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: tang0r
I think we should double our taxes so that the government will have enough police to stop anyone who wants to get intoxicated or high.

There are clearly not enough drug sniffing dogs deployed in public places and we need enough to randomly patrol neighborhoods and see what they can sniff out. We should do random drug tests at each concert venue and ball park. One period of each school day should be spent pulling students out at random. Anyone who has ever been in possession should have drug testing for at least ten years until they prove they are no longer using.

We'll win this war if we have to go bankrupt doing it.

Some of these people think they have the freedom to use this stuff. Where do they get such a ridiculous idea?

45 posted on 08/28/2006 7:53:29 AM PDT by osideplanner
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To: oldironsides

what in the world makes you think big-government nany-state liberals would advocate an increase in personal liberty?

this pie-in-the-sky fallacy is maybe the only reason Dems get elected in this country, and you help them by perpetuating the myth.

It would be interesting if one of the major parties became an advocate for personal liberty and limited government, but unfortunately both tend toward statist policies to keep their awkward coalitions voting for them.


46 posted on 08/28/2006 7:54:48 AM PDT by fnord (497 1/2 feet of rope ... I just carry it)
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To: frogjerk
Drink the right amount and you will might live longer.

Edited for clarity.

47 posted on 08/28/2006 7:55:17 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

and CLARETy


48 posted on 08/28/2006 7:55:56 AM PDT by osideplanner
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To: APFel

"I remember being high and driving down the interstate at 25 miles per hour for lord who knows how long without realizing it."

All I can remember saying to myself was "Was that light Red or Green that I just went through?"


49 posted on 08/28/2006 7:56:20 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: BenLurkin
But first, respectfully, will you concede that conservative and libertarian are not the same thing.

Concede it? He should shout it from the roof tops!

50 posted on 08/28/2006 7:58:12 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: frogjerk

Pot smokers may or may not drive as badly as people under the influence of alcohol, but pot does affect depth perception. If you get rear ended or run over in a crosswalk by a pot smoker it's because he thought he was stopping 10 feet back from where he actually stopped.


51 posted on 08/28/2006 7:58:49 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: osideplanner

Now THAT, was clever! I won't wine about it.


52 posted on 08/28/2006 7:59:32 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: BenLurkin

Alcohol is a bad thing. Drink enough and you can be impaired for a day or even two.

Marijuana, however, impairs a user for weeks. It's use is also tied to the development of schizophrenia and clinical depression.

Equating the two is pointless.

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Both are powerful drugs which, used improperly can lead to serious negative consequences. The difference between them is in legal precedent. Alcohol has always been legal (excepting prohibition which is another great example of the power of precedent), and weed has always been illegal. Logically, neither should be legal, and if introduced now, would never get past the FDA.


53 posted on 08/28/2006 7:59:58 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: tang0r

What would the Mexican Drug Cartels do BUMP?


54 posted on 08/28/2006 8:00:31 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Protagoras

"Like alcohol? So they are the same, kinda?"

Except that it is not the same. The effects of Marijuana are much more insidous. (Sorry for the cut and paste but I gotta get going for the day)

Addictive effects
Marijuana use affects dopamine, a neurotransmitter involved in the brain's pleasure producing or reward mechanism, which helps explain its potential for dependency.

Memory impairment
Marijuana use can negatively affect short-term memory, especially memories trying to be recovered during the time when one was using this drug.

Amotivational syndrome
Since testosterone levels are temporarily lowered, users of marijuana don't feel like doing much besides eating and hanging out with the small group of friends with which they are most comfortable.

Disease
Long-term marijuana use can cause irreversible changes in both male and female reproductive organs, such as lowered sperm count in men and altered shape of the uterus in women. Lung cancer, emphysema, and lowered immune system responses, such as decreased white blood cell count, could also result from extended marijuana use.

Mental health
Marijuana increases the risk of developing depression and/or schizophrenia the more that one uses it.


56 posted on 08/28/2006 8:02:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: tang0r
Sheriff's deputies raid 2,500-plant pot patch [Mexican Drug Cartel In Oregon/Illegal Aliens]
57 posted on 08/28/2006 8:03:26 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Protagoras
I am now middle age. In my younger days, I smoked some pot and yes, I did inhale. I have also drank my share of alcohol. In neither case did I overindulge to the point it effected my ability to perform in school or in my professional life. The key to is moderation.

I can tell you unequivocally that when used responsibly, alcohol is much harder on your body and the ill effects last much longer than smoking a joint.
58 posted on 08/28/2006 8:03:32 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: BenLurkin
Marijuana, however, impairs a user for weeks. It's use is also tied to the development of schizophrenia and clinical depression.

And you learned this where?
59 posted on 08/28/2006 8:05:16 AM PDT by phs3
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To: in hoc signo vinces
I managed to raise four kids that don't smoke pot and my reasoning with them over the years didn't have a thing to do with it's legality. I watched stoner movies with them, pointed out stoners when I saw them in public and on the school campus and let them make their own decision. I could truly not care more or less whether it is legal or illegal, but my preference would be for fewer laws and simply more responsible people.

 

60 posted on 08/28/2006 8:06:36 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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