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Obesity? This is a job for Supernanny(neo soviet barf alert)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2330255,00.html ^ | 8 27 06 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/28/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Fat is not a feminist issue, as Susie Orbach once claimed. Fat is a class issue. Rich, educated people are not fat; you see almost no children in private schools who are overweight. Fatness and obesity are directly related to lower education and lower incomes. What is sad is that at a time when this country is richer than ever and ought to have better schools than ever, we have far more fat people than ever — a dangerous explosion of flab. Last week the Department of Health issued a report grimly called Forecasting Obesity to 2010 and its findings were grotesque. Within four years, it predicts, a third of all adults — 13m people — will be obese. So will 1m children

Obese means not just podgy, but dangerously, disablingly, distastefully fat, as in American fat.

This is not just shocking; it has also happened shockingly fast. As the report says, a third of all men will be obese by 2010; in 1993 the figure was only — if one can say only of such a large figure — 13%, rising to 24% in 2004.

The same is true of women, although the rate is rising more slowly; 16% were obese in 1993, 24% in 2004, and the trend is expected to rise until 2010. The proportion of boys who were obese stood at 17% in 2003 and is predicted to rise to 19% by 2010, while among girls it is expected to increase more swiftly from 16% to 22%.

This presents an awkward challenge to libertarians. The libertarian assumption is that we should all be free to do what we want, as far as possible, and if some people’s lifestyle choices involve snacking on deep-fried Mars bars and triple-processed cheeseburgers, other people have no business interfering, still less the government.

Besides, there is the embarrassing fact that those who eat and drink junk do so for cheap comfort and because they are either too poor or too ignorant (or both) to prepare healthy food. It doesn’t come well from the consumers of steamed organic asparagus and free-range ducks’ breasts to criticise those who can manage only frozen reconstituted chicken nuggets and sugary baked beans.

However, obesity does not concern only the obese. It concerns all of us. Obese parents produce obese children, and obesity places a crippling burden on the National Health Service, quite apart from the many personal miseries involved. Currently 10% of NHS resources are spent on diabetes (two-thirds of which is the avoidable type 2 associated with obesity) and this could easily double within the next four years to 20%.

This is quite apart from the increased risk among the obese of heart disease and other serious illness. More young people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, something previously seen only in people over 40. In these circumstances even the most swivel-eyed libertarian would probably agree, for once, that something must be done and even perhaps by the government.

Curiously enough, however, in one of the few areas where our ever-intrusive government might for once justifiably intrude, new Labour does almost nothing. Possibly as a result of the ferocious lobbying of the food industry, ministers restrict themselves to making repetitive noises about healthy living and “small changes” that won’t cost anybody anything.

Tony Blair said last month that if the food industry did not agree to limit junk food advertisements by 2007 he would bring in mandatory rules, but he has said that before and more than once. Besides, why not bring them in straight away? His government has persistently ignored the demands of the Commons health select committee for a traffic light system of food labelling, enabling shoppers to make informed choices.

England’s chief medical officer warned in this year’s annual report that public health budgets were being raided to deal with deficits. That is the reality behind government talk of raising public awareness.

I have never been convinced that government health education has any effect. Despite the “five-a-day” campaign, only a quarter of people in England eat vegetables every day. About half of overweight men are in denial; they don’t see themselves as overweight, according to the report.

There is nothing complicated about being thin. Being fat is usually the result of eating too much junk food and taking too little exercise. Being thin means eating much less food, avoiding junk food altogether and taking exercise every day. It may be that nothing can be done about the plague of obesity; there is a growing epidemic in Europe and worldwide. Perhaps affluence is a disease to which only the fortunate few are immune. But if anything could be done about it, it would have to be radical.

Nobody who craves cheap comfort food will willingly give it up. But if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today — people would be forced to eat well. This could be done through taxes or subsidies. Alternatively, you could ration unhealthy food.

There could be a public campaign against fattening food, just as there was against smoking, aimed at making everyone ashamed of consuming anything naughty but nice. I am just as greedy as anyone else but I have come to think of cakes, biscuits, crisps, sweets, white bread and puddings as more or less toxic. Foods like this should have health warnings — “cake can kill”. They are not just unnecessary, empty calories; they interfere with your blood sugar levels, affect your appetite and your mood; they may even induce food addiction. The same applies to alcohol: more than a modest amount makes you fat, interferes with your mood and is often addictive.

Just as there would need to be financial incentives to eat well, there should also be inducements to take exercise. The cost should be subsidised or declarable against tax. Employers should be required to give workers time off to go to the gym or jog. We could imitate the Japanese and have mass group exercises at work every day.

And that is the problem. Obesity, one of the trials of affluence, can be solved only, if at all, by the kind of interventionism that has been discredited by the failure of socialism. Liberty is indivisible; it belongs to the ignorant and the low paid just as much as to anyone else. Perhaps obesity is one of the many prices of liberty. Fat is a freedom issue.


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this issue has gotton so far out of hand its ridiculous. If this author thinks the government should get involved in peoples weight and food choices he can perhaps point to even one thing the governments of england or america have got involved in where the problem was better afterwords and not 1000 times worse.
1 posted on 08/28/2006 11:20:11 AM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: Gabz; SheLion; Diana in Wisconsin

ping be warned im not kidding about the barf alert


2 posted on 08/28/2006 11:21:01 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; Annie03; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
3 posted on 08/28/2006 11:21:41 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32
'Way too many people are 'way too fat.

This is not the government's problem ... it is their problem.

4 posted on 08/28/2006 11:22:42 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: freepatriot32
Besides, there is the embarrassing fact that those who eat and drink junk do so for cheap comfort and because they are either too poor or too ignorant (or both) to prepare healthy food.

Oh, BS.

No one's too poor to eat healthy. Fresh produce and meat costs far less than the prepackaged frozen stuff.
5 posted on 08/28/2006 11:23:31 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!"))
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To: freepatriot32
Nobody who craves cheap comfort food will willingly give it up. But if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today — people would be forced to eat well. This could be done through taxes or subsidies. Alternatively, you could ration unhealthy food.

Had the Libs not been in control for so long, this would be a nonissue. Feeding their entitlement contingents at our expense caused this. And you can bet on seeing government action continuing to attempt to curtail it, some 75 years after the fact.
6 posted on 08/28/2006 11:25:04 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: freepatriot32
In other words, we communized healthcare and now it can no longer meet the needs of the market, so we need to communize groceries in order to assist the failing communized healthcare system.

Facinating mental rpocess at work here.

I liked the anti-American bigotry too.

7 posted on 08/28/2006 11:25:26 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: freepatriot32

1. This article shows us why there shouldn't be government (a.k.a. socialized) medicine: people have no incentive to be healthy.

2. Maybe the reason poor people are fat is the same reason that many of them are poor: bad decision making/lack of personal responsibility.


8 posted on 08/28/2006 11:25:53 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: freepatriot32
if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today

Bravo Sierra! I can get the ingredients for a LARGE (a dozen servings) bowl of healthy fresh chicken-vegetable soup for the price of one jumbo grease meal at Mickey D's.

9 posted on 08/28/2006 11:26:40 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Xenalyte; freepatriot32

OTOH, it has everything to do with the insurance industry. There are already employers who refuse to hire the overweight and/or smokers. It's more expensive to insure them than 'healthy' people.


10 posted on 08/28/2006 11:27:37 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Xenalyte
Fresh produce and meat costs far less than the prepackaged frozen stuff.

Three words: rice and beans.

11 posted on 08/28/2006 11:30:15 AM PDT by Caveman Lawyer ("If there is anybody here I have not insulted, I apologize." - Brahms, leaving a party in Vienna.)
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To: Sicon; wideawake

Yes and yes. But then again, what would you expect after being raised on the hedonistic platforms of the left?


12 posted on 08/28/2006 11:30:17 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: freepatriot32

But I thought the biggest problem for the poor in this country was that sooooo many poor children went to bed hungry.

Silly me.


13 posted on 08/28/2006 11:30:22 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Froufrou

They've apparently missed the {Blue Whale|Blimp|SSBN|Whateveritis} occupying the office a few doors down from mine ...


14 posted on 08/28/2006 11:30:39 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: freepatriot32
Obese parents produce obese children, and obesity places a crippling burden on the National Health Service.

Just one more in a long list of reasons for the government to stay out of Health Care.
15 posted on 08/28/2006 11:31:15 AM PDT by xpertskir (Shave the Whales)
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To: Caveman Lawyer; Xenalyte

Actually, 11 of the 13 essential amino acids are in rice and beans. Add cheese and you got 'em all. The issue is portion control.


16 posted on 08/28/2006 11:31:25 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: freepatriot32; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...

Nanny State Ping..........thank you FreePatriot - you are correct the barf-alert was needed.


17 posted on 08/28/2006 11:31:29 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: steve-b
"Bravo Sierra! I can get the ingredients for a LARGE (a dozen servings) bowl of healthy fresh chicken-vegetable soup for the price of one jumbo grease meal at Mickey D's."

True, but the difference is that the McD's meal is already made. Some people just don't have the time.
18 posted on 08/28/2006 11:31:56 AM PDT by PCBMan (Wernstrom!!!!)
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To: freepatriot32

That reminds me: I'm hungry. I wonder what's in the fridge?


19 posted on 08/28/2006 11:31:58 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: Froufrou

That and understanding that chips, soda and candy are NOT in the essential food groups.


20 posted on 08/28/2006 11:32:31 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: freepatriot32

add me to libertarian list please


21 posted on 08/28/2006 11:32:43 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: najida

<:-O


22 posted on 08/28/2006 11:32:54 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Xenalyte
Fresh produce and meat costs far less than the prepackaged frozen stuff..

Produce (even though it's August) and meat (even hamburger) cost a fortune around here. Pasta, potatoes and bread are cheap. And you'll get fat on them. Stouffer's frozen stuff is expensive, but Banquet frozen dinners go for $1 apiece; their potpies are $.69.

23 posted on 08/28/2006 11:34:19 AM PDT by maryz
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To: najida

That's the truth! Many Hispanic children have to have sealants because mama doesn't listen when Doc tells her not to put baby down with a milk bottle! And, they are rotund in the extreme, as well!


24 posted on 08/28/2006 11:34:29 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: maryz

Banquet is probably more caloric-correct than tortillas and frijoles.


25 posted on 08/28/2006 11:36:11 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: PCBMan

It takes about five minutes of actual work -- as long as you use a microwave (so you don't have to worry about it burning to the bottom of the pot) and take some basic precautions against boiling over (don't fill it too high or put the lid on tight), it can be left unattended to simmer.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 11:37:24 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: freepatriot32
Actually, if the liberals are right, poor people should be thin--as in starved! Next time you go to the grocery store, get behind someone using a food stamp card and take a gander at what he/she puts on the conveyor belt. Betcha a paycheck there's plenty of expensive high caloric and starchy items and very few vegetables and fruit.
27 posted on 08/28/2006 11:37:26 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: najida

No ... the essential foodgroups are coffee, beer, peanuts, and beef jerky.


28 posted on 08/28/2006 11:39:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: meandog

ok your added tot he libertarian list now


29 posted on 08/28/2006 11:39:16 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

Absolutely! Government money (after all they print it!) and regulation are the answer to ALL things! (/sarc)


30 posted on 08/28/2006 11:39:19 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: Froufrou

You know you're in redneck country when you watch Mama fill up the baby's bottle with Dr Pepper.


31 posted on 08/28/2006 11:40:28 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: freepatriot32
In these circumstances even the most swivel-eyed libertarian would probably agree, for once, that something must be done and even perhaps by the government. Curiously enough, however, in one of the few areas where our ever-intrusive government might for once justifiably intrude, new Labour does almost nothing.

Obesity, one of the trials of affluence, can be solved only, if at all, by the kind of interventionism that has been discredited by the failure of socialism. Liberty is indivisible; it belongs to the ignorant and the low paid just as much as to anyone else. Perhaps obesity is one of the many prices of liberty.

So which is it? Something must be done by government, or government should do nothing?

The author just wanted to write an article in which she got to call people fatass deadbeat ignoramuses.

32 posted on 08/28/2006 11:41:03 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Xenalyte
You know you're in redneck country when you watch Mama fill up the baby's bottle with Dr Pepper.

Lightweights, Momma Slim started me on RC Cola, and I teethed on Moon Pies.

33 posted on 08/28/2006 11:41:47 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Where did I leave my matches?)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I always thought they were
Chocolate, butter, sugar and salt!


34 posted on 08/28/2006 11:42:30 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

For belching contests, NOTHING tops RC.

(Although Monster Lo-Carb came pretty close for me, over the weekend. Several guys high-fived me.)


35 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:00 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: Xenalyte

HiC around 'here.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:01 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: Froufrou
OTOH, it has everything to do with the insurance industry. There are already employers who refuse to hire the overweight and/or smokers. It's more expensive to insure them than 'healthy' people.

Sounds like a pretty good solution to me. Companies have a financial interest in having healthy productive employees, so it only makes good sense to hire people who are likely to remain healthy and productive in the long term and those who don't like it can either find work somewhere else or change their lifestyles.

37 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:11 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: freepatriot32
It doesn’t come well from the consumers of steamed organic asparagus and free-range ducks’ breasts to criticise those who can manage only frozen reconstituted chicken nuggets and sugary baked beans.

Organic foods and free range chickens, I guess this author is a lib. My favorite thing to do to these organic only people is to explain that by not eating GMO's they are helping to ensure starvation around the globe. Because GMO's grow in places where normal vegetables cannot and produce higher yields per amount of water, fertilizer, and general plant care. Talk about making a liberal squirm, I have seen heads explode.
38 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:12 AM PDT by xpertskir (Shave the Whales)
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To: freepatriot32

Fat people had no foresight and didn't stand up for smokers. In fact, some of the most psychotic antismoking zealots were fat people. So now they get to enjoy the machine they created.


39 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:12 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Xenalyte

Frostie Root Beer is another good bet.


40 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:59 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Where did I leave my matches?)
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To: najida

I remember going to the grocery store with Mom for more HiC, and I got the idea to talk her into Tang on the grounds that the astronauts drink it so it must be good.

It was an unacceptable substitute, as we discovered when we got home. Ugh.


41 posted on 08/28/2006 11:44:18 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: Xenalyte

Or Big Red, in San Antonio.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 11:45:11 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: maryz

"Pasta, potatoes and bread are cheap. And you'll get fat on them."

Perhaps you meant, "You CAN get fat on them." I eat what I want and how much I want. I drink enough soda to warrant my own factory. :) I'm pushing 40, stand 6'0" and weight 165.

Oh yeah, I exercise moderately. VERY moderately. ;)

I don't use the elevator, I use the stairs. I take 2 steps at a time. I don't troll the supermarket parking lot for the absolute closest spot, I just park and walk. I always seem to be involved in some project or other that is phyically demanding, by my choice. These are things I have always done and I have always been in good shape.

Lifestyle.


43 posted on 08/28/2006 11:46:02 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: elmer fudd

I get your point, but there are some people who have valid cause for their size. Pituitary tumor, for example. Without the job and the insurance, correction becomes financially impossible. I know a lady like this who is a nurse. In fact, nurses are sometimes more heavy than non-health professionals. That's kinda scary. Has to be partly due to the high stress. IMHO.


44 posted on 08/28/2006 11:47:25 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Xenalyte

Tang?!?
Blech!


45 posted on 08/28/2006 11:47:59 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: freepatriot32
Nobody who craves cheap comfort food will willingly give it up. But if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today — people would be forced to eat well. This could be done through taxes or subsidies. Alternatively, you could ration unhealthy food.


Communism underlies it all. Of course, they proceed on the false premise that hiring a cook (in the form of buying prepared/processed food) is cheaper than cooking for yourself. That is silly, like saying that houses are cheap, and lumber is expensive.

Don't these people have a pot? A chicken?

I don't care is "food" is expensive. It's the INGREDIENTS that are cheap.

I actually hear this argument from highly educated liberals, and they are never able to offer a response when I ask to see the food budget and (over-refined, junk food) choices made by poor fat people, and let me offer a far healthier alternative at half the cost.

Somebody please tell me, what junk food is cheap? Sure, a greasy fast food burger and fries costs only a couple bucks, while fine dining from fresh ingredients can cost a fortune. However, the comparison is not between McDonalds and fine dining, it's between McDonalds and grilling your own. It's between the Colonel and sticking a chicken in the oven.

If these governmentalists want to persuade me that more government is needed, it would be in having qualifications to receive food aid. You have to prove you are qualified (or submit to training) to responsibly shop and cook.

Let the commies stop giving money to the poor. Let them offer a food bank, government selected menus, with instructions on how to cook each day. (Here's your chicken, here's your beans, here your salad, your corn, your tsp of garlic powder, etc. - here's a video showing how to cook them.) It would be CHEAP to do, feed people well, and TEACH them how to live like independent humans.

How about having the welfare mommies show up for a month of kitchen duty, where they cook lunch for themselves and the kids in a group with supervision, taking turns watching the kids. They would learn how to cook the essentials, and then could be left on their own to cook with (here it comes:) ...INGREDIENTS!
46 posted on 08/28/2006 11:48:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Xenalyte
No one's too poor to eat healthy. Fresh produce and meat costs far less than the prepackaged frozen stuff.

You've got that right.

Other than weekly staples, like milk, eggs, bread, fruits and veggies, I do a freezer/pantry stock up about every 10-12 weeks....and then I will spend 2 days cooking and repackaging.....

It can never be said in this house "there's nothing to eat." If you walk away hungry after eating at my table, you have no one to blame but yourself :)

47 posted on 08/28/2006 11:48:42 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz
Nanny State

From one of California's nanny-state advocates:

State Lawmakers Tackle Consumer Safety Issues

"Most parents want to do the right thing. It's up to us to help them to understand what the right thing is."

-- CA Assemblywoman Noreen Evans, D-Santa Rosa


48 posted on 08/28/2006 11:48:59 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: najida
The perfect Health Drink:


49 posted on 08/28/2006 11:49:19 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Xenalyte

"No one's too poor to eat healthy. Fresh produce and meat costs far less than the prepackaged frozen stuff."

Absolutely. The problem is not one of economics, it's laziness. One can buy healthy food virtually anywhere in the country. The "problem" is, it has to be prepared and cooked. Many people don't want to be bothered.


50 posted on 08/28/2006 11:50:06 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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