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Schwarzenegger Squashes Religious Freedom (SB 1441 SIGNED!!!)
SAVE CALIFORNIA ^ | 08/28/06

Posted on 08/28/2006 9:27:06 PM PDT by Heartofsong83

Schwarzenegger Squashes Religious Freedom

Thomasson: “Arnold Schwarzenegger has two faces. He speaks at churches and says he believes in religious freedom and family values, yet he’s stabbing pro-family Californians in the back.”

Sacramento, California – Campaign for Children and Families is shocked and dismayed that California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed SB 1441 (Kuehl). Today’s disastrous action by Schwarzenegger means Christian and other faith-based colleges in California will be forced to promote transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality if they accept students with Cal Grants.

“People of conscience are appalled that Arnold Schwarzenegger has trampled religious freedom to satisfy hyperactive sexual activists,” said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families (CCF), a leading California-based pro-family organization. “SB 1441 will force religious colleges to either abandon their Biblical standards on sexuality, or reject students with state financial aid. Schwarzenegger is doing what Gray Davis did – trample religious freedom at the bidding of liberal activists from San Francisco and West Hollywood.”

“Arnold Schwarzenegger has two faces,” said Thomasson. “He speaks at churches and says he believes in religious freedom and family values, yet he’s stabbing pro-family Californians in the back. People of faith are suffering under Arnold Schwarzenegger. He’s not the lesser of two evils, he’s doing evil.”

CCF had informed thousands of Californians about SB 1441, generating thousands of phone calls, faxes, and emails opposing this offensive bill. Last week, the Governor was faxed letters pleading for a veto by Christian colleges, including Westmont College (Santa Barbara), Shasta Bible College (Redding), The King’s College and Seminary (Van Nuys), Vanguard University (Costa Mesa), Life Pacific College (San Dimas), Trinity Law School (Santa Ana), William Jessup University (Rocklin), and Simpson University (Redding).

Supported only by Democrats in the California State Legislature, SB 1441 specifically requires “any program or activity that…receives any financial assistance from the state” to support transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality or lose state funding. SB 1441 contains no exemption for religious colleges and universities that accept students with Cal Grants, or child-care providers that accept CalWORKS vouchers.

CCF’S FLOOR ALERT OPPOSING SB 1441

Campaign for Children and Families opposes SB 1441 (Kuehl), which would trample the religious freedom of faith-based colleges and universities, infringing on their values for sexual standards and appropriate role models for the children and students in their care. SB 1441 could easily harm the religious freedom of dozens of religious colleges and universities in California that accept financial aid for students. There is NO EXCEPTION for Protestant, Catholic, Jewish or other religious institutions.

1. Trampling Religious Standards

SB 1441 requires “any program or activity that… receives any financial assistance from the state” to support and promote “gender identity” (transsexuality) and “sexual orientation” (bisexuality and transsexuality). By importing these controversial sexual lifestyle definitions from the Penal Code, this intolerant bill tramples the religious values of faith-based institutions:

- Penal Code, Section 422.56(c) "Gender" means sex, and includes a person's gender identity and gender related appearance and behavior whether or not stereotypically associated with the person's assigned sex at birth.

- Penal Code, Section 422.56(h) "Sexual orientation" means heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality.

If signed into law, SB 1441 would mean religious colleges (which accept students with state financial aid), children’s day care centers and after-school programs (many which receive state funding) could be forced to allow men to wear women’s dresses and hire transsexual, bisexual or homosexual instructors. SB 1441 would destroy these institutions’ standards for role models and their dearly-held values to provide for the best interest of children in their care.

2. Forced Upon Religious Universities, Private Child Care Centers

The Senate Judiciary Committee noted how the effect of SB 1441 was “wide-ranging and deep,” affecting both religious universities that accept students with state financial assistance (through Cal Grants), and private child care facilities (through CalWorks child care vouchers):

Because Gov. Code Sec. 11135 covers not only the state but also state agencies and any program or activity at the local level that receives funding from the state, the impact of this bill is both wide-ranging and deep.

It will also affect contractors with the state (such as nonprofits), where the services provided locally are funded directly by the state or where the contractor receives any financial assistance from the state.

Some of the programs that would be affected by this bill are: Medi-Cal, State Disability Insurance, CalWORKS, food stamp programs, Unemployment Insurance, Workers' Compensation, financial aid programs administered by the University of California or the California State University, child support services programs and services for veterans, legal services programs, home loan assistance programs, licensing of businesses, government contracting and procurement activities, and voter registration. -- Analysis of SB 1441, Senate Judiciary Committee

The Assembly floor analysis reports that all kinds of financial aid programs would be affected by SB 1441:

Some of the programs that would be affected by this bill are: Medi-Cal, the California Work Opportunity and Responsibility to Kids, food stamp programs, unemployment and disability unemployment insurance, workers' compensation, financial aid programs, child support services programs, services for veterans, legal services programs, home loan assistance programs, licensing of businesses, government contracting and procurement activities, and voter registration. -- Analysis of SB 1441, Assembly Floor

OTHER SEXUAL INDOCTRINATION BILLS HEADING TO SCHWARZENEGGER

SB 1437 prohibits textbooks, instructional materials, and school-sponsored activities from "reflecting adversely" on transsexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality, thus indirectly requiring positive portrayals of these sexual lifestyles in curriculum in all grades in all public schools. Consequently, schools would have to promote "same-sex marriages" and even sex-change procedures. SB 1437 is on the Senate floor.

AB 606 authorizes the California Superintendent of Public Instruction to arbitrarily withhold state funds from any district that does not adequately promote the State Department of Education’s “model policy” promoting transsexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality in its school policies. Clears the way for transsexual, bisexual, and homosexual curriculum to be forced on all public schools. AB 606 is on the Senate floor.

AB 1056 would spend $250,000 in taxpayer dollars to promote transsexual, bisexual, and homosexual lifestyles under the banner of "tolerance education." Redefines "tolerance" to allow schools to force attitudinal support of transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality. AB 1056 is on the Senate floor.

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CAMPAIGN FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES (CCF) is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, nonpartisan educational organization representing children and families in California and America.


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Can a third-party candidate take advantage of this unconstitutional signing and take over? Let's pray that happens!
1 posted on 08/28/2006 9:27:07 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83

Does he want to get re-elected? This is probably not the best way to do it.


2 posted on 08/28/2006 9:31:27 PM PDT by Rawlings (Tipton Time!)
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To: Heartofsong83
Can a third-party candidate take advantage of this unconstitutional signing and take over?

I used to think the only idiots were on DU.

I was wrong, very wrong.

3 posted on 08/28/2006 9:32:13 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Heartofsong83

Stick a fork in us. California is done.


4 posted on 08/28/2006 9:33:22 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Heartofsong83
if they accept students with Cal Grants.

Seems the solution is easy. Slam the door.

5 posted on 08/28/2006 9:33:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Heartofsong83
Kalifornia has RECALL elections if anyone in that state can recall anything.

Apparently not even the governor arnie can recall his oath of office either.
6 posted on 08/28/2006 9:34:08 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: Heartofsong83

Does anyone have a link to the actual bill?


7 posted on 08/28/2006 9:34:29 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Heartofsong83

I can never again vote for this rat after this outrage!


8 posted on 08/28/2006 9:34:36 PM PDT by Bullish ( The pig headed monkeys of Islam can kiss my grits!)
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To: kinoxi

http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1441&sess=CUR&house=B&site=sen


9 posted on 08/28/2006 9:36:08 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83

Thank you.


10 posted on 08/28/2006 9:37:13 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Heartofsong83

Don't blame me, I voted for Tom McClintock.


11 posted on 08/28/2006 9:37:29 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Heartofsong83

Looks like it may be time to get out of public education.


12 posted on 08/28/2006 9:39:31 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Heartofsong83
Devastating. I am speechless.
13 posted on 08/28/2006 9:39:48 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Heartofsong83

Dear Zelda,
You're an idiot lesbo!

Sincerly,

Dobie Gillis


14 posted on 08/28/2006 9:40:07 PM PDT by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: Bullish

agreed.


15 posted on 08/28/2006 9:40:26 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: kinoxi

Why not include beastiality. too? We do not want to leave out anyone.


16 posted on 08/28/2006 9:44:16 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Heartofsong83

The wording of the bill your link led me to seemed fairly innocuous.


17 posted on 08/28/2006 9:44:52 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: staytrue; Heartofsong83
I used to think the only idiots were on DU. I was wrong, very wrong.

Would you have signed this, staytrue, if you were a Republican Governor of California?

Answer YES or NO. It's not a tough question. Don't chicken out.

18 posted on 08/28/2006 9:45:15 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Hey, Genius! If YOU aren't a Muslim fascist, Bush wasn't talking to you! So why are you offended?)
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To: FairOpinion
And the difference is?

The difference is that with Arnold there is no opposition to increased spending, hidden taxation, increased regulation, and coercive destruction of the family as a social institution, thanks in part to you.

Arnold will be FAR worse if he's re-elcted, while Angelides might just PO people enough to be recalled. There is so little substantive difference between the two that supporting Arnold is not worth the damage he is doing to the Republican Party.

I won't vote for either one of them.

This is what Arnold does when he thinks he doesn't need the Republican base. To those of you who have supported him despite his record, this is your payback.

19 posted on 08/28/2006 9:45:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: kinoxi

It's unconstitutional as well - as far as I see it, it violates the 1st Amendment...


20 posted on 08/28/2006 9:45:52 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: tessalu
Pedophilia,necrophilia, the argument can extend forever, or until perverts run out of things to try and screw I guess.
21 posted on 08/28/2006 9:47:38 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Heartofsong83
It's unconstitutional as well - as far as I see it, it violates the 1st Amendment...

Actually, it does not. The government can attach whatever strings it wants to the funds it provides. If you don't like the strings, you don't take the money.

The Supreme Court has ruled this way many times.

22 posted on 08/28/2006 9:48:03 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: Heartofsong83

It is obviously a disgusting bill, and pretty lame that Arnie signed it, but if you are a private christian college, just don't take money from the state, and you won't be beholden.


23 posted on 08/28/2006 9:48:22 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Heartofsong83

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1441_bill_20060811_enrolled.html

SB 1441, Kuehl Discrimination: state programs and activities:
sexual orientation.

Existing law prohibits discrimination on the basis of, among other
things, race, national origin, ethnic group identification,
religion, age, sex, color, or disability, against any person in any
program or activity conducted, operated, or administered by the state
or by any state agency, or that is funded directly by the state, or
that receives any financial assistance from the state. Existing law
also requires, with respect to disability, that these programs and
activities meet the protections and prohibitions contained in certain
provisions of the federal Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990,
and the federal rules and regulations implementing that act, or state
law if the state protections and prohibitions are stronger.

This bill would add sexual orientation to these provisions and
define for these purposes "sex" and "sexual orientation."
The bill would also expand the definition of discrimination under
these provisions to include a perception that a person has any of
these enumerated characteristics or that the person is associated
with a person who has, or is perceived to have, any of these
characteristics.


24 posted on 08/28/2006 9:48:48 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Heartofsong83

GOVERNMENT MONEY == GOVERNMENT STRINGS

The only way to avert entanglements is to take a pass on the $$$. As government becomes more oppressive, the decision to push their cash back in their bureaucratic faces and tell them to "Buzz off" will pay enormous dividends. Schools that refuse the dirty funds will be able to offer an educational product free from government-imposed gobbledy-gook, and, thus, head and shoulders above what their former peers can offer.

Near-term pain will be greater long-term gain.


25 posted on 08/28/2006 9:49:00 PM PDT by HKMk23 (HEY! It's past 8-22-2006 and that Knickersinawad jerk is overdue! I want Armageddon or a refund!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Republicans at all levels are making very hard for me to support the party. I know the alternative is worse, but maybe it is time for a wake up call.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 9:49:12 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Heartofsong83

I didn't see the unconstitutionality in the link. The state can offer more protection with it's own funding. That is inherent in the Constitution.


27 posted on 08/28/2006 9:49:38 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Carry_Okie

Did you read the bill?

This is not even as much as a shell of the former bill.

While I an not happy, but all it says it adds sexual orientation to the list of items, against which discrimination is prohibited.


"SECTION 1. Section 11135 of the Government Code is
amended to read:
11135. (a) No person in the State of California shall, on the
basis of race, national origin, ethnic group identification,
religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, color, or disability, be
unlawfully denied full and equal access to the benefits of, or be
unlawfully subjected to discrimination under, any program or
activity that is conducted, operated, or administered by the state or by any state agency, is funded directly by the state, or receives
any financial assistance from the state. Notwithstanding Section
11000, this section applies to the California State University."


28 posted on 08/28/2006 9:50:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Heartofsong83
SEPARATION of SCHOOL and SEX!
29 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:08 PM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: staytrue

So if there's an R by the name, you'll worship them until they day you die, huh?


30 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:44 PM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: Heartofsong83

What do you think Angelides would do?

Angelides is on record that he would have signed the previous version of this bill, which really would have forced schools to teach the virtues of homosexuals.

Angelides also said he will sign the homosexual marriage bill, that Arnold vetoed.

Arnold may not be a "full glass" you would like, but a half a glass is far better than en empty glass.


31 posted on 08/28/2006 9:52:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Can't they support third party candidates?


33 posted on 08/28/2006 9:57:05 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: kinoxi

"The wording of the bill your link led me to seemed fairly innocuous."


Exactly. This used to be a horrible bill, teaching in schools the accomplishements of homosexuals, etc., but Arnold told them he will veto it, so to save face they basically took out everything and just so they still have a bill, they have this, just added sexual orientation to the list of things state agencies are not supposed to discriminate against.


34 posted on 08/28/2006 9:57:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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Oh, now, let's not interupt the worshipping of our action-super-hero movie-star Governator by pointing out his feeble record. Do not question authority. He knows what's best for us.

Arnold Maria Schwarzennedy

35 posted on 08/28/2006 9:58:23 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Where'd I leave that SARCASM tag?)
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To: Crazieman

Let's try this one more time.

someone says "Can a third-party candidate take advantage of this unconstitutional signing and take over? Let's pray that happens!"

And you want to claim sanity for this person.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 9:58:35 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Heartofsong83

If true,the gov has lost it


37 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:02 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Heartofsong83

Sorry guys, it's completely constitutional (on the surface), if they accept public money(Cal Grants), then they should be subject to the same laws as public schools.


38 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:21 PM PDT by rivercat (Welcome to California. Now go home.)
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To: FairOpinion


I believe the uproar is how the Judiciary sees the added term affecting the bill.






SB 1441
Page 1


SENATE THIRD READING
SB 1441 (Kuehl)
As Introduced February 22, 2006
Majority vote

SENATE VOTE :23-13



JUDICIARY 6-3 APPROPRIATIONS 12-4



|Ayes:|Jones, Evans, Laird, |Ayes:|Chu, Bass, Berg, |
| |Levine, Lieber, Monta?ez | |Calderon, |
| | | |De La Torre, Karnette, |
| | | |Klehs, Leno, Oropeza, |
| | | |Ridley-Thomas, Saldana, |
| | | |Yee |
| | | | |
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|Nays:|Haynes, Leslie, Huff |Nays:|Sharon Runner, Emmerson, |
| | | |Nakanishi, Walters |
| | | | |


SUMMARY : Prohibits sexual orientation discrimination by state
entities and recipients of state aid. Specifically, this bill :


1)Adds sexual orientation to the list of characteristics on
which discrimination may not be based in the conduct or
operation of state or state-funded programs or activities.

2)Defines "sex" and "sexual orientation" by referencing the
definitions of those terms in the Fair Employment and Housing
Act (FEHA).

3)Provides, consistent with FEHA and other statutes, that
non-discrimination includes the perception that a person has
any of the named characteristics or is associated with another
person who has or is perceived to have any of those
characteristics.

EXISTING LAW :

1)Prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, national
origin, ethnic group identification, religion, age, sex,








SB 1441
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color, or disability in any program or activity conducted,
operated, administered, or funded by the state or any state
agency.

2)Prohibits, under FEHA, discrimination in housing and
employment on the basis of sexual orientation in addition to
race, religious creed, color, national origin, ancestry,
physical disability, mental disability, medical condition,
marital status, sex, and age. FEHA defines "sex" and "sexual
orientation," as well as other terms used throughout FEHA, and
includes the perception of any of the named characteristics as
a prohibited basis for discrimination.

3)Protects, under the Unruh Civil Rights Act (Unruh Act),
persons from discrimination by business establishments on the
basis of sexual orientation in addition to sex, race, color,
religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical
condition, and marital status. The Unruh Act defines "sex"
and "sexual orientation" by incorporating the definitions of
those terms in the FEHA.

FISCAL EFFECT : According to the Assembly Appropriations
analysis, negligible fiscal impact.

COMMENTS : Various statutes, such as FEHA and the Unruh Act,
prohibit discrimination in employment and housing, and in the
provision of public accommodations and other goods and services
by business establishments on the basis of specified personal
characteristics such as sexual orientation, sex, race, color,
national origin, religion, and disability. These statutes have
been amended over time to reflect the state's evolving public
policy against unreasonable distinctions and disparities, most
recently to include disability, sexual orientation, and marital
status.

In addition to FEHA and the Unruh Act, Government Code Section
11135 prohibits discrimination in purpose and effect by the
state and recipients of state funding or financial assistance on
the basis of race, color, national origin, ethnic group
identification, religion, age, sex, and disability. Notably
absent from the protections is sexual orientation. This bill
would harmonize this provision prohibiting discrimination in the
conduct or operation of state or state-funded programs with
FEHA, the Unruh Act and other anti-discrimination statutes by








SB 1441
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adding "sexual orientation" to the list of protected
characteristics, and would likewise incorporate related
definitions from FEHA.

According to the sponsor of this bill, Equality California,
state and local governments provide many important services and
programs that should not be denied to persons on the basis of
sexual orientation or gender identity. California public
policy, the sponsor states, is clear that individuals should be
protected against discrimination based on sexual orientation or
gender identity. Thus, the Government Code provision should be
updated to be made consistent with other laws.

This bill would import the FEHA definitions of "sex" and "sexual
orientation" into Government Code Section 11135. FEHA defines
"sex" to include pregnancy, childbirth, or medical conditions
related to pregnancy or childbirth, and includes a person's
gender as defined in Penal Code Section 422.56 (includes gender
identity and gender related appearance and behavior whether or
not stereotypically associated with a person's assigned sex at
birth). FEHA defines "sexual orientation" to mean
heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality.

This bill would also amend Government Code Section 11135 to
expressly include the interpretive provision, found in FEHA, as
well as the Unruh Act and other anti-discrimination or hate
crime statutes, that the list of characteristics includes the
perception that the person has any of those listed
characteristics or is associated with another person who has or
is perceived to have any of those protected characteristics.
This is a settled principle of anti-discrimination law, and is
reflected in the statute's existing administrative
interpretation. [See, e.g., 5 Cal. Code of Regs sections 4610
(c), 59300.] These anti-discrimination laws have long been
understood consistently on many definitions and issues. (E.g.,
5 Cal. Code of Regs section 4910; 2 Cal Code of Regs section
7286.7.)

State and local governments provide many important services and
programs. These include police and fire protection,
recreational programs, social services and health care clinics.
This bill would extend prohibitions against discrimination on
the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity to include
all services, programs and activities provided or funded by the








SB 1441
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state and its instrumentalities or agencies.

Some of the programs that would be affected by this bill are:
Medi-Cal, the California Work Opportunity and Responsibility to
Kids, food stamp programs, unemployment and disability
unemployment insurance, workers' compensation, financial aid
programs, child support services programs, services for
veterans, legal services programs, home loan assistance
programs, licensing of businesses, government contracting and
procurement activities, and voter registration.


Analysis Prepared by : Kevin G. Baker / JUD. / (916) 319-2334


FN: 0015442


39 posted on 08/28/2006 10:00:01 PM PDT by uptoolate (The U.N. will be the tool of the Anti-Christ)
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To: imahawk

Some of us have said he never had "it" to begin with.


40 posted on 08/28/2006 10:00:27 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Where'd I leave that SARCASM tag?)
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To: kinoxi
The wording of the bill your link led me to seemed fairly innocuous.

The devil is in the details. And I do mean "the devil."

You don't know Sheila Kuehl, Mark Leno, or the handful of homosexual California legislators whose lives are dedicated to using the Democratic majority in the state to ramrod laws onto the books that encode their agenda to normalize homosexuality and transgenderism (and YES! THERE IS AN AGENDA!!!). Their goal is to attach unnatural, abnormal sexual practices to the list of racial and ethnic minorities who are already listed as "protected classes" because of perceived institutional discrimination.

Take it from someone who knows. I have lived in San Francisco my entire life and have watched as marches to stop violence against homosexuals have morphed into demands for same-sex marriage and against the right of parents to change their child's classroom after a teacher "outed" himself to them.

41 posted on 08/28/2006 10:00:49 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Hey, Genius! If YOU aren't a Muslim fascist, Bush wasn't talking to you! So why are you offended?)
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To: FairOpinion
You read it too? Glad somebody else did.
;)
42 posted on 08/28/2006 10:01:33 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: staytrue

What is the other option? Stay home? Lesser-evil politics gets you nowhere...


43 posted on 08/28/2006 10:01:37 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: staytrue

"This person is more likely to be a DU troll making laughable comments than a conservative. "


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BINGO! Congratulations. You broke the code -- there is no prize, other than knowing that you are right.

Part of the Angelides win strategy IS to turn conservatives against Arnold, to get them to stay home or vote third party, to give Angelides a better chance to win.

I compiled just a few such Dem statements:

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A Recipe for Success (for Angelides) (Conservatives are Angelides' secret weapon)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689690/posts

Here are some things he could do:

o Attack Arnold from the right :

§ Illegal immigration–Arnold has angered the conservative base with some of his comments on this issue. The Angelides campaign, or perhaps an anti-Arnold independent expenditure campaign, could attack Arnold in the mail or on the radio and use Arnold’s own words against him.

§ Taxes/government spending–The state government continues to run what is essentially a deficit and Arnold’s numerous proposals to increase government spending and borrowing turn off Republicans. This line of attack could also mitigate some of the tax attacks against Angelides.


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Schwarzenegger Hears Rumbles From the Right

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1685932/posts


" low conservative turnout will loom as a key peril for the governor and a prime source of hope for Democrats."


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"Angelides ... must win 80% of the Dems and a solid majority of the DTS (declined to state) registrants, TO ACCOMPANY THE 15% REPUBLICANS WHO DON'T VOTE FOR THEIR PARTY'S TICKET"

ANGELIDES IS COUNTING ON THEM.


http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/07/new_poll_result.html


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Angelides team bullish on California's blue state math (counting on CONSERVATIVES, to win)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676818/posts

Angelides' camp believes that while the governor enjoys support among some Democrats now, by the time ballots are cast in November, the base will remain loyal.

They also believe that the opposite will occur with the Republicans because Schwarzenegger's recent move to the left on key issues such as immigration and the environment has alienated conservatives.



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To pull off a win, Angelides must seize his opportunities

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1683377/posts


"But it will not be easy, and Angelides must take full advantage of the opportunities: ... the governor's sometimes tense relationship with conservatives; "

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44 posted on 08/28/2006 10:01:51 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: staytrue

YES or NO?


45 posted on 08/28/2006 10:01:55 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Hey, Genius! If YOU aren't a Muslim fascist, Bush wasn't talking to you! So why are you offended?)
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To: staytrue; Crazieman

Notice how your question is avoided by staytrue? The silence is deafening.


46 posted on 08/28/2006 10:04:11 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Hey, Genius! If YOU aren't a Muslim fascist, Bush wasn't talking to you! So why are you offended?)
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To: L.N. Smithee
You quote names I am unfamiliar with to reinforce situations I am unfamiliar with. If you can highlight what part of this bill contains the 'devil', I may be able to give a more coherent response.
47 posted on 08/28/2006 10:05:15 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; Annie03; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
48 posted on 08/28/2006 10:08:39 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Heartofsong83

I can't believe he did this.


49 posted on 08/28/2006 10:08:45 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Heartofsong83

You don't like arnold, go ahead and vote for someone else.

But if you think that a third party candidate is going to win in November, you are a kook.


50 posted on 08/28/2006 10:09:34 PM PDT by staytrue
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