Grenades 'caused Beslan tragedy'

BBC ^ | Tuesday, 29 August 2006, 09:21 GMT 10:21 UK

[rightgrafix]

A Russian investigator has said grenades fired by surrounding Russian forces could have triggered the Beslan school bloodbath in September 2004.

Yuri Savelyev's conclusions contradict the official view that bombs planted by the hostage-takers in the school gym went off just before the gun battle.

Mr Savelyev is a member of the Russian parliamentary commission investigating the siege, in which 331 people died.

Many of the victims were children, taken hostage by pro-Chechen militants.

[rightgrafix]

Something smells fishy.

[Joe Boucher]

Sounds almost like our own govt findings related to the Waco events.
Nah, we had to kill them to save them.

[alpha-8-25-02]

grenades fired through openings don't take down reinforced buildings.

[sit-rep]

Thinkin the same thing when I read this...

[DocRock]

On Dial-up? Click HERE
for 428K excerpt

(Photo is of Pressure Release Detonator in Koran... Used to kill School Children in Beslan)

[DeusExMachina05]

No, the muzzie terrorists caused the tragedy when they took over the school building in the first place.

[FReepaholic]

...grenades fired by surrounding Russian forces could have triggered the Beslan school bloodbath ...

Looks like they've got liberals over there also.

Next he'll be saying that it's the childrens' fault. If they hadn't been there the terrorists wouldn't have had to take them hostage.

[Joe Boucher]

No, but they can act as an ignighter of explosives.
Obviously the rebels brought in explosives. This article reports on how they were possibly or probaby set off.

Not minimizing the rebels guilt, just wondering how big of boobs the security forces were.
Like I said, it sure sounds familiar to Waco.

[SkyPilot]

Grenades 'caused Beslan tragedy'

Islam caused it.

[LibSnubber]

Islam caused it.

In 3 words, you said it all.

[tkathy]

Islam caused the entire tragedy and the entire world of islam alone is totally responsible.

[momincombatboots]

I did not read the ruskie's site, but who would use a grenade that would likely detonate explosives in a hostage situtation? Even a layman knows not to toss frags or concussions into a scenario like that. Maybe a smoke and grab.
But thank G-d the Chechneyan's aren't responsible. For a while there, I thought they were gonna get the blame. I think the disclaimer was lost in the article "This research sponsored by Rebels without a brain,the entire democratic party of the USA and one NY paper which will remain anonymous".

[alpha-8-25-02]

GOOD POINT!

[rightgrafix]

My question is... did the Russian troops attack not knowing that the place was booby trapped? Clearly a grenade would blow a terrorist off of his trip wire.

[Cindy]

I'm not with the media, so let's fix this.

THE TERRORISTS CAUSED THE BESLAN MASSACRE.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=beslan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1204503/posts

[DustyMoment]

Sounds to me like historical revisionism. The children murdered at Beslan weren't killed by shrapnel from grenades, they were killed by bullets fired by these murderers.

[Joe Boucher]

How good is their training?
The f.b.i.,a.t.f. and the russian security forces?
Does Russia have their version of Lon Horiuchi?

[shalom aleichem]

Right, muzzies CAUSED tragedy. Reminds me of Rush pointing out media accounts about "SUV runs over crowd of children", as if the SUV needn't have a driver.

[Drammach]

I seem to recall eyewitness accounts from hostages that said the grenades in the auditorium went off first..
Some of the hostages actually escaped through holes blown in the school walls by the grenades strung up on the walls by the terrorists..

If I am recalling correctly, that would put a lie to this report / article...

[ScreamingFist]

A Russian investigator has said grenades fired by surrounding Russian forces could have triggered the Beslan school bloodbath in September 2004.

Oh my furry nuts...."could have"?.....The only reason this "investigator" is in print is because our own MSM journalism has fallen to a level that makes Pravda look like insightful....does ANYONE believe this bologna from BBC anymore?

[rightgrafix]

This is beginning to sound like that Kofi "overwelming force" crap.

[redgolum]

grenades fired through openings don't take down reinforced buildings

Correct. Russia has its own version of the MSM that is pretty similar to ours. Part of it comes from being lied to constantly over the years.

[cripplecreek]

I read a translated after action report some time ago. It was a messy operation but it needed to be done immediately because the children were going to die anyway.

A terrorist was firing at a doorway where children were trying to escape. A Russian soldier stepped into the doorway to block the gunfire with his body for as long as he could stand.

We can call the Russians a lot of things but "coward" isn't one of them.

[mware]

Grenades did not cause the Beslan massacre. The terrorist holding those children caused it.

Remember the Children.

[Cvengr]

Buildings generally are not designed to withstand grenades being detonated inside them, nor are they designed for similar interior forces, although they might be designed to withstand some fraction of external forces, still not of the magnitude nor shear rate of a grenade detonation.

[muawiyah]

It's not at all like Waco. Everybody didn't die.

[TimesDomain]

You can see how many progressives have infiltrated into FR the past several years - seen not only in this story - but many others. They use the subtle method of casting doubt through their "it COULD have happened this way" instead of reliance of fact. The truth is simply "Inconvenient" as their godlet says.

A definite progressive revisionist playbook action.

Somewhere on FR there is an entire list of methods that the progressives use (included descriptions). 6 - 9 months ago?

[redgolum]

The is a reason that Russia has been called "the Bear" for centuries. Bears will fight anything to protect their kids.

Beslen could have happened here. The local militia didn't have the tools to handle the job (which is understandable) and even Spentnaz soldiers probably did not have training on what to do when a bunch of islamics take over a school.

If it was in the US, the cops would have waited until all the kids were dead before moving in.

[UCANSEE2]

"Many of the victims were children, taken hostage by pro-Chechen militants."

Leading clue that the Media is not being truthful.

pro-xxxxxx militants, pro-xxxxx rebels, etc.

ANYONE or ANY GROUP that takes children hostage and wires up bombs, then shoots at escaping children is/are MURDERERS, EVIL HELLBENT TERRORISTS, and nothing else.

Even in this country, at WACO, right down the line from the PRESIDENT (CLINTON) to the soldiers in the tanks. MURDERERS.

And while they were murdering, the murderers were being murdered to further protect the highest murderer, the President (Special Presidential guards shot in the back of the head at close range).

The Russian Soldiers were not to blame. They were saving lives, at the cost of their own.

[Joe Boucher]

Same overly zelous govt types. But yes not All died.

[Almondjoy]

The people of Waco had a fate that God intended for them. Like it or not.

[Joe Boucher]

GOD has designs on each and every one of us.
Janet Reno and her minions murdered a load of folks many just children at Waco.
Like I said, have to kill them to save them?

[Rushmore Rocks]

FYI

[VOA]

Grenades 'caused Beslan tragedy'

It's never Islam's fault.
Never.
It's always the fault of people killed by Islam yearning to be dominant
and tyrannical.

Get used to it infidels.
(that's the Islamic line, as I hear it)

[FreedomCalls]

Obviously the rebels brought in explosives. This article reports on how they were possibly or probaby set off.

Did you not see the video of the terrorist standing on a trigger so that if he lifted his foot the suspended bomb would go off?

[Jim Noble]

Islam caused the bloodbath, whatever happened at the end.

[Almondjoy]

No the people of Waco murdered those kids. YOu abide by the law or you pay the price.

I can't believe you would defend a child molestor but I guess if that's your bed you can lie in it.

[GladesGuru]

Janet - is that you?

;-)

Humor aside, your reasoning seems to be clouded by an excess of emotion. Regardless of whether some children were alleged to have been engaging in sex with the Head Davidian, goats, or Liberals - does that justify the deliberate murder by fire of an entire group of people?

Just wondering.

[metalurgist]

The sheriffs dept. of Waco investigated the accusations of child molestation and came up with no evidence.

But don't let stop you from repeating false accusations you uninformed ass wipe.

[Drammach]

I believe it was Lenin ( or Marx ) that said, " A lie, repeated often enough, will eventually be accepted as truth"..

As has already been noted, while accusations of child abuse were made, they were never verified or proven..

In addition to investigations by the Sherrif's dept., the Texas State Dept. of Family Services conducted no less than three (3) separate investigations and found NO evidence of child abuse..
None.. Zip.. Zero.. Nada..

There are a veritable phlethora of unfounded accusations made before and after Waco..
The truth was weird enough without making stuff up, but the facts point to one thing..
The Davidians were no threat to anyone until the BATF conducted a "photo-op" raid and screwed it up..

[vertolet]

How Russian spetsnaz fought and died in Beslan:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1530645/posts#16

[Joe Boucher]

Nope

[Joe Boucher]

Koresch was often in town and could easily have been taken into custody. But the authorities wanted a confrontation and went about it like a bunch of cowboys. Koresch was evil.
You are leaping pretty far when you accuse me of defending child molestors there Almond clown.
Great way of thinking though abide by the law or we'll kill folks for their beliefs and their kids?
And I'm not talking about Koresch but many of the other fools there.
YOu are an idiot.

[Almondjoy]

If you think it's deliberate murder I have some Oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas.

[Almondjoy]

I guess the insanity of people keeps showing up. Oh gov't conspircy group.

I bet you also believer that the gov't allowed or worse caused 9/11 to happen.

OOOOOOOOOOOO let me get my tin foil hat.. this is good stuff.

[Almondjoy]

I'm the idiot? I never said that it went down the way it should of. But those child molestors you are so quick to defend open up fire first.

So before your ride the conspricy train of gov't killings of "innocent" civilians you might want to try and not be so damn ignorant of the facts.

[Centurion2000]

bump for later

[GladesGuru]

When Janet El Reno was finally cornered by the newsies, she admitted she made the final decision. I repeat, roasting and gassing unconvicted Americans is not even on the discussion table for Americans.

One wonders who the dyke was channeling when she made that decision. If she didn't know what would happen, then she is even more corrupt/stupid than she seems.

If you are unhappy about those who have sex with minors do remember Reno had a starring role in a sex scene with an underage female.

IMHO, she and her bosses (Bill & The HillaBeast) were out to accustom Americans to the heavy hand of a police state. They caused a backlash, instead.

[GarySpFc]

Not minimizing the rebels guilt, just wondering how big of boobs the security forces were.
Like I said, it sure sounds familiar to Waco.

Why don't you read what an American expert who was on the scene has to say instead of spouting off with more of your conspiracy theory nonsense. John Gudick, an American Special Forces officer was on the scene, and has written a very through analysis of the actions taken by Spetsnaz teams Alpha and Vympel at Beslan. These teams were extremely professional, and threw themselves into the line of fire to save students. I will post some of their actions shortly.

[GarySpFc]

I seem to recall eyewitness accounts from hostages that said the grenades in the auditorium went off first.. Some of the hostages actually escaped through holes blown in the school walls by the grenades strung up on the walls by the terrorists..

WRONG! The initial explosions were caused by a 155mm artillery shell falling from a basketball goal exploding. That set off additional explosions, and the terrorist started firing and throwing grenades to kill the teachers and students. The Spetsnaz team Vympel was left with no choice, but to respond immediately. BTW, grenades would not knock holes in the walls of the Beslan school.