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America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think
Washington Post ^ | 8/27/06 | Geneive Abdo

Posted on 08/29/2006 11:35:38 AM PDT by thehumanlynx

If only the Muslims in Europe -- with their hearts focused on the Islamic world and their carry-on liquids poised for destruction in the West -- could behave like the well-educated, secular and Americanizing Muslims in the United States, no one would have to worry.

So runs the comforting media narrative that has developed around the approximately 6 million Muslims in the United States, who are often portrayed as well-assimilated and willing to leave their religion and culture behind in pursuit of American values and lifestyle. But over the past two years, I have traveled the country, visiting mosques, interviewing Muslim leaders and speaking to Muslim youths in universities and Islamic centers from New York to Michigan to California -- and I have encountered a different truth. I found few signs of London-style radicalism among Muslims in the United States. At the same time, the real story of American Muslims is one of accelerating alienation from the mainstream of U.S. life, with Muslims in this country choosing their Islamic identity over their American one.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assimilation; borderslanguage; crushislam; culture; enemywithin; islam; islamisadeathcult; islamisevil; meltingpot; muslim; muslimamericans; muslims; trop; wot
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“I know I don’t have to fit in,” she said. “I don’t think Muslims have to assimilate. We are not treated like Americans. At work, I get up from my desk and go to pray. I thought I would face opposition from my boss. Even before I realized he didn’t mind, I thought, ‘I have a right to be a Muslim, and I don’t have to assimilate.’ ”

Why would they have to assimilate when morons in our country do everything they can to cater to them. Change noice ordinances so they can blast their prayers over loud speakers. Change dress codes so as not to offend the muslims.

Any one else see this blatant effort to refuse to actually become an american as a problem. Reminds me a lot of the Mexicans that were talking about a revolution during the protests. I dont know why we dont wake up to see that our country is being abused and taked over by a number of different subgroups.. Homosexuals, Muslims, Illegal immigrants, terrorists, and the apologists for all of them. Its sick. They dont want to be americans they want to take it over. Ask them if they wish we were under Islamic rule... Yes they do.

1 posted on 08/29/2006 11:35:38 AM PDT by thehumanlynx
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To: thehumanlynx

"The "enemies" Yusuf referred to that day were not non-Muslims, but rather those who use Islam as a rationale for violence."

No, Yusuf meant Christians and Jews. This reporter is an idiot and needs to read the koran.


2 posted on 08/29/2006 11:43:37 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: thehumanlynx
The only problem this is that the illegals here want us under their rule too. They want to keep speaking Spanish and think of the southwest US as part of Mexico.

Even the Mormans want a little fiefdom in Utah. It never ends. The difference between the US and Europe is that our country's history is to tolerate this nonsense for only so long before the federal government comes in with troops. Heck, even the L.A.P.D. here in California opened up with rubber bullets on a La Raza riot last year. The Muslims are the minority and not yet the problem that the flood of illegals from Mexico have become. In one estimate, we have absorbed up to 10% of their population already.

I can't really worry about losing our country to Muslims. Not yet anyway. Not with 10's of millions of Mexicans coming into our country over the last decade.

3 posted on 08/29/2006 11:43:48 AM PDT by Nachum
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Hugh will be assimilated.

4 posted on 08/29/2006 11:45:22 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: thehumanlynx

This is a very dangerous situation for our country. If these muslims won't assimilate, there could be violence from home grown muslim terrorists. I think some government officials in Australia had said that muslims should go home if they can't assimilate to Australia's culture. I think we should welcome legal immigrants who want to assimilate to America's culture. They have no right to impose Sharia on America and they should be stopped.


5 posted on 08/29/2006 11:47:12 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: thehumanlynx

In the next ten or twenty years, the geographical/cultural area formerly known as Christendom will have to decide whether to expel all Moslems.


6 posted on 08/29/2006 11:49:08 AM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London)
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To: thehumanlynx

Previously posted thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1690442/posts


7 posted on 08/29/2006 11:50:23 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: thehumanlynx; All
See a FReeper's personal report here.
8 posted on 08/29/2006 11:51:13 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† |Iran Azadi| SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | 8/30: National Geek Day)
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To: Nachum

I can't really worry about losing our country to Muslims.

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Oh, yeah? How about the ones in suicide vests?


9 posted on 08/29/2006 11:51:22 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: thehumanlynx

Can you really believe anything in the comPost?


10 posted on 08/29/2006 11:54:51 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: thehumanlynx

You know, it's interesting. We Freep and rail against these things and say things like "when these guys actually do something bad like domestic terror... They are doing it now, we aren't doing anything about it, most people probably will meekly get into the cattle cars with some faint hope that somehow things will work out. I predict that, like the people on the airplane who fought the hijackers on 9/11, some of us will take the battle to the @ssholes and we'll have us a civil war. As of now, we could win, I think, but watching Hizballa in Lebanon, it might not be too long until they will be able to match us.


11 posted on 08/29/2006 11:55:28 AM PDT by oneolcop (Take off the Gloves!)
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To: thehumanlynx


You said it, fellow FReeper!


12 posted on 08/29/2006 11:58:17 AM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Bigg Red
Oh, yeah? How about the ones in suicide vests?

That hasn't happened to us yet. I am sure that the Muslims can cause a great deal of havoc. Fortunately, their numbers in this country are still relatively small. We also are limiting their immigration to a certain degree. Unfortunately, we are witnessing the the destruction of the entire hospital system, school system, prison system and welfare system to illegals here in Southern California right now. Our country is being overrun by this madness and our politicians are encouraging it.

As a matter of fact, there are reports of the Islamo-nazis coming in through our southern border with them. I also think that the fact that their are acive Islamo-nazi public protests in certain parts of California have a great deal to do with a societal break down encouraged by massive illegal immigration.

13 posted on 08/29/2006 12:01:37 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: thehumanlynx

I don't think they are assimilated at all.

The ones that are here are either active Islamic fascists or enablers of active Islamic fascism.

The only other kind are the lapsed Muslims. They are our best allies.


14 posted on 08/29/2006 12:02:36 PM PDT by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: sionnsar


Muslim sleeper cells are shown on a map as red states, which include among many, California, Oregon and Washington states. Thanks for "posting personal report here." I hope everyone reads it.


15 posted on 08/29/2006 12:03:00 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: thehumanlynx

"...making it harder still for Americans to realize that there is a difference between their Muslim neighbor and the plotter in London or the kidnapper in Baghdad."

Once the MSM, ACLU and Loony-left have forced most Americans to "realize" this difference, we are done-for. If the US, Canada, UK, etc... doesn't start actively encouraging, to the point of forcing, Islamic followers to leave the country, with in a few years the die will be cast.


16 posted on 08/29/2006 12:03:33 PM PDT by mad puppy ( The Southern border is THE issue)
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To: Nachum

"Even the Mormans want a little fiefdom in Utah."

How so?


17 posted on 08/29/2006 12:03:58 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: thehumanlynx
....."the approximately 6 million Muslims in the United States, who are often portrayed as well-assimilated and willing to leave their religion and culture behind in pursuit of American values and lifestyle"

Remember 2020 is only a short time away, a time when like robots Islam will rear it's true head, and in its plan America will be conquered by the sword.

18 posted on 08/29/2006 12:04:46 PM PDT by patriot_wes (Infant baptism - the foundation of an unbelieving and unsaved church.....with lots of money))
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To: thehumanlynx

It's absurd to think that a Muslim can integrate himself into a Christian value-based society. They have completely different value system and their supremacist views forbid them to accept other cultures as equal.

When the big war starts, start building internment camps!!!


19 posted on 08/29/2006 12:05:14 PM PDT by nikola
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To: truth_seeker

I should have used past tense with the Mormans.


20 posted on 08/29/2006 12:05:18 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: thehumanlynx

The fact is, THEY are the ones who are biased against American culture and social and political institutions.

The onus is on them to make accommodation with our way of life, by facing and ridding themselves of their own prejudices.

We are a tolerant people. That doesn't mean we have nothing we hold up as ideal. And we are not obligated to tolerate and bolster belief systems which promote activities that threaten the existence of our own higher values and ideals.

Islam is (and historically has been) in conflict with the West. The test of our time is whether we will defend our values without apology, and demand respect for those values from all who choose to live in and benefit from our society.




21 posted on 08/29/2006 12:05:37 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: thehumanlynx

For centuries, the islamics have never assimilated. To think they would do it now is ridiculous.


22 posted on 08/29/2006 12:06:29 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: thehumanlynx
What has bothered me about theses groups is that the men will run around in western clothing dockers and polo shirts while they continue to make their wives and daughters wear the veil and long dresses even in the hot summertime.
23 posted on 08/29/2006 12:09:18 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
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To: thehumanlynx
Being ambassadors of Islam is daring behavior when you consider that American Muslims live in a country where so many people are ignorant of -- if not hostile to -- their faith.

BS. I know Islam better than this idiot writer apparently.

24 posted on 08/29/2006 12:09:57 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Nachum
Even the Mormans want a little fiefdom in Utah.

Not so sure I can agree with that assessment. They named their first Territorial Capitol Fillmore and the County Millard in honor of the first U.S. President they felt treated them fairly.

Applications for statehood were consistently rejected even as terrirtories which were settled much later (Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, the Dakotas) were welcomed as new states.

While Wyoming terrirory's extension of the voting franchise to women was accepted, the federal government blocked the Utah legislature's bill to follow suit as a plot to beef up the number of Mormon voters.

It was six long years after the polygamy thing went away that Utah's application for statehood was finally approved, roughly 50 years after the first settlers arrived.

25 posted on 08/29/2006 12:10:39 PM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman

Fine, not the Mormans! :)


26 posted on 08/29/2006 12:12:20 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Oh, yeah? How about the ones in suicide vests?

That hasn't happened to us yet.

What university football game was it that the kid tried to get into and was denied because they wanted to search him for alcohol?? He went to a bench outside and blew himself up.

His Paki roommate didn't know anything about it. The apt was full of explosives as I recall.


27 posted on 08/29/2006 12:20:35 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: oneolcop

You are presuming that non-Muslims would NEVER herd "suspected" Al-Qaeda into a ditch and shoot them out of hand, just on spec. The veneer of civilization is not so thick, and since Islam insists on screeching how it will kill the West, some day soon the West will take them at their word and the shooting will REALLY start. We can wipe out whole populations in days, and Islam is betting we won't. I think they are trying to draw to fill an inside straight.


28 posted on 08/29/2006 12:21:22 PM PDT by jonascord ("Let 'em burn!...")
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To: thehumanlynx
Democracy IS Mob Rule.. and the Mob(s) WILL rule..

This republic is being changed into a democracy(by sedition) and probably is already a democracy..

29 posted on 08/29/2006 12:23:30 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: evets

Unfortunately a lot of these a$$ holes are as mindless as the Borg collective.


30 posted on 08/29/2006 12:24:32 PM PDT by brooklyn dave (Ya can take da kid outta Brooklyn--butchya can't take Brooklyn outta da kid)
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To: thehumanlynx

One more 9/11 type terrorist attack and they won't have to worry about "assimilating." Every muslim swingin' dick will have to pack up his koran & family and go back to whatever hellhole they originated from.


31 posted on 08/29/2006 12:26:45 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Nachum
Fortunately, their numbers in this country are still relatively small.

But they are right on schedule:

The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.
32 posted on 08/29/2006 12:29:28 PM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: CedarDave

I searched and didnt see it. My bad. I still don't get why people feel the need to post that a story has already been posted rather than make a comment. Seems like a waste to me, but w/e.


33 posted on 08/29/2006 12:31:33 PM PDT by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: Maceman
The only other kind are the lapsed Muslims. They are our best allies.

On the contrary, lapsed Muslims when pressed by Jihadists about their lack of faith will have something to prove.P

34 posted on 08/29/2006 12:32:06 PM PDT by semaj
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To: Beckwith

Excellent.


36 posted on 08/29/2006 12:35:03 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Nachum
The thing is that Islam is the fastest growing religion, for some reason it maintains a certain appeal to people. I think it has to do with the way it is catered and coddled. Islam continues to grow even though Muslims kill people nearly everyday in the name of their religion.

Religion of peace.

37 posted on 08/29/2006 12:35:42 PM PDT by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: jonascord

I'm not presuming that non-muslims (infidels like me) wouldn't do such a thing. I'm just wondering what it will take to get started. Lots of people will go along with almost anything so long as they are not directly affected. The problem is, they are already being directly affected whenever they get in line at the airport, pass through metal detectors, etc.
I hope you're correct in your assessment that they are trying to fill an inside straight.
I'm getting too old to do much more than sit on my porch and pop 'em when they pass by.


38 posted on 08/29/2006 12:50:25 PM PDT by oneolcop (Take off the Gloves!)
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To: thehumanlynx
I searched and didnt see it. My bad. I still don't get why people feel the need to post that a story has already been posted rather than make a comment. Seems like a waste to me, but w/e.

The reason a link is made to an earlier thread is so that the totality of comments on the story can be maintained. Duplicate threads fragment responses. Having said that, duplicate threads several days apart may allow a separate set of readers to view and comment on the story.

39 posted on 08/29/2006 12:54:40 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: thehumanlynx
Muslims hate us and hate this country. I can not believe in the "assimilated" muslim except as a myth.

Trust a muslim? Nope. Never.

I might pretend I like them, I might be courteous to muslims during business transactions or on the street..but beneath my friendly smile is the same contempt for them and their kind that they have for me and mine.

40 posted on 08/29/2006 12:55:19 PM PDT by Mad Dash
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To: Beckwith
But they are right on schedule:

Frightening to contemplate.

It will be a race then, between the illegals destroying our sovereignty and the Muslims taking over. Wonderful.

41 posted on 08/29/2006 12:56:36 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: oneolcop
I'm getting too old to do much more than sit on my porch and pop 'em when they pass by.

Contemplating tagline snag...

42 posted on 08/29/2006 1:02:10 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txflake

All we can do is the best we can with what we have.

I try to convince my kids that this is the real deal. On some levels they get it, and on others, not.


44 posted on 08/29/2006 1:11:10 PM PDT by oneolcop (Take off the Gloves!)
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To: CedarDave

my issue is more with allowing separate readers to post. Even though it is posted once, not everyone reads it who would find it interesting. There are some, not you, who are militant in pointing out a repost of a story and make a huge deal out of it. I thought you were one of them. Now I see your intent. thanks.


46 posted on 08/29/2006 1:27:59 PM PDT by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: Sir Gawain
American Muslims live in a country where so many people are ignorant of -- if not hostile to -- their faith.

Ignorant of? No, it's been made abundantly clear. Hostile to? Yes, with good reason.
47 posted on 08/29/2006 1:29:28 PM PDT by D1X1E
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To: Nachum
I'm not Mormon, nor do, or have I ever lived in Utah, but I've no problem with Utah being a Mormon state.

Until the Taft led Supreme Court ruling of 1925 extended the First Amendment religion clause to encompass states, not just Congress as written, many states had official religions, as they had since the founding of the country.

Had that ruling not been made, it is likely we would still have prayer in public schools today, religious displays would be allowed in courthouses and on public property, and other religions would not be beating us over the head with their religions.
48 posted on 08/29/2006 1:29:47 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: thehumanlynx
Islam is not so much a religion as it is a dangerous death cult with overarching political aims, and should be treated as such. It should be prohibited in this country, just like Communism was (back when this country still had some non-PC b@lls)!
49 posted on 08/29/2006 2:09:58 PM PDT by Gritty (Laws should treat an Islamic outlook as excludable on political, not religious grounds- S Trifkovic)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Unlike Europe if some American muslims go the radical route people in this country are armed and will hit back.


50 posted on 08/29/2006 2:14:47 PM PDT by Bombard
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