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Bill Frist for President?
POWER LINE ^ | Auagust 30, 2006 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 08/30/2006 8:08:21 AM PDT by yoe

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To: yoe
Bill Frist for President?

No.

51 posted on 08/30/2006 9:25:36 AM PDT by Mogollon (Endangered species: Rats & Rino's)
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To: pissant
A candidate meeting your criteria will be a ways off.

Probably never. I favor a candidate who believes in the constitution and will sacrifice his/her career and even his/her life to defend it.

I know of no liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat who is willing to do that, or even wants to.

52 posted on 08/30/2006 9:26:11 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

There is your golden opprotunity to run for office.


53 posted on 08/30/2006 9:49:12 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
There is your golden opprotunity to run for office.

I don't need to be formally rejected to know my ideas are going to be rejected.

No one who believes in what I do, and would actually do it, could ever be elected in America today.

Sufficient numbers of people do not value the Constitution, freedom, small government, or individual responsibility. In fact, very few do anymore.

Conservatives cannot leave people alone and neither can liberals.

54 posted on 08/30/2006 10:08:27 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

I hear that the tibes of southern Chad are pretty much autonomous from gov't interference. Give that a shot. LOL


55 posted on 08/30/2006 10:10:28 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
pretty much autonomous from gov't interference.

That isn't the goal.

Government is necessary, and proper. It is the role it takes that is debatable.

Government is necessary to defend the rights of the citizens. That doesn't happen in places like Chad.

56 posted on 08/30/2006 10:14:40 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: yoe
........Bill Frist for President?..........

Doesn't this rate a 'Weenie Alert' or something?

57 posted on 08/30/2006 10:17:17 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: pissant
Just to set the record straight, I would settle for less as a practical matter and leave the rest as a goal and only support candidates who ACTUALLY work towards those goals.

I would inititally settle for a candidate who would actually shrink the size of government and eliminate programs. In short, someone or some party that would actually go in the right direction.

We are going the wrong way and can never achieve the goal by going away from it.

58 posted on 08/30/2006 10:19:48 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

You hit a key point. The role of gov't is debatable. In order to advance your ideas, win the argument and get your way, you need to be clear and concise and persuasive. If you think that the rest of humanity is just too stupid to be reasoned with, you will have lost all hope of influence.


59 posted on 08/30/2006 10:20:22 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Bill Frist: Milk Toast Man of the Year


60 posted on 08/30/2006 10:36:11 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: pissant
You hit a key point.

Good, I have been aiming at it for years in this site with varying degrees of success.

The role of gov't is debatable.

I have the classical liberal view of it that most of the founders ascribed to. Not many others do anymore, most have been brain numbed if not brain washed about it. GWB is classic among them.

In order to advance your ideas, win the argument and get your way, you need to be clear and concise and persuasive.

Most people do not value that either, at least around here. They don't seem to like clear and concise, and persuaded is out of the question.

If you think that the rest of humanity is just too stupid to be reasoned with, you will have lost all hope of influence.

Good thing I have never thought that or given the impression that I do.

Ignorant and complacent are different from stupid.

61 posted on 08/30/2006 10:48:17 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

Conservatives had obviously been losing the debate on the role and scope of government from 1930 til 1980. Reagan more or less stopped the march of liberalism and started in the proper direction. I listed many of the small victories for conservatives in another thread. It will take consistent and sustained effort from ALL conservatives, regardless of their particular preferences to keep the ball moving in the right direction. It will not happen quickly and it will not happen in large dramatic steps. It is small things like getting Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS, steamrolling the gun grabbers with grass roots activism, pushing for a flat tax to replace the income tax, peeling back onerous regulations from the EPA and OSHA, and taking on one bureaucracy after another to get this ship in shape. It cannot be done if libertarians (you), neocons, paleocons, and constititionalists (me) refuse to join forces.


62 posted on 08/30/2006 11:51:30 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
keep the ball moving in the right direction.

We disagree that it is moving in the right direction. I think it is going the other way.

Given that, the rest is irrelevant to me.

Conservatives are not interested in the same things, And you are free to classify yourself as a constitutionalist even though I have not seen the evidence of it, but your classification of me is just your opinion.

63 posted on 08/30/2006 12:00:27 PM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

I know you think that. But you haven't defended that position as well as I have mine, on the other "serious" thread yet. I've been citing chapter and verse. Yes, some of the things you mentioned support your position, such as McCain Feingold, but campaign finance reform is just one issue in a multitude of others.

Of course conservatives are not interested in the same things. As you noted yourself, your postions as a whole seem to not have huge support. But if every conservative claims to be a fan of Reaganism lets at least work together to find candidates that share Reagan's philosophy.

I'm an ardent constitutionalist - originalist. I've told you that before. Not a republican, not a libertarian, not a memeber of the Constituton Party. I'm a conservative that believes the role of the federal gov't needs to be exactly what was laid out by the founders, and the states can pass whatever onerous crap they want (as long as it does not violate the federal constitution) in line with their own founding documents. None of this means I do not realize the value of having GWB as opposed to Algore sitting in the Whitehouse.


64 posted on 08/30/2006 12:14:23 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
But you haven't defended that position as well as I have mine,

I know you think that. We disagree.

65 posted on 08/30/2006 12:20:52 PM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: dirtboy
Maybe the good Doctor needs to learn what to do with his spinal cord when dealing with the Dems.

Seriously, Frist is sponsoring a big time GOP get together the third weekend of September in Des Moines. Apparently it is going to be a very expensive event.

66 posted on 08/30/2006 12:25:33 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Protagoras

There is only one truth about any particular issue. Either Bush's tax cuts were the largest in modern history, or they weren't. Either states and cities are increasingly passing concealed carry laws and laws protecting those who kill intruders or they aren't. Either Bush rejected the ICC and KYOTO and the Committee to Regulate Small Arms at the UN or he didn't.


67 posted on 08/30/2006 12:26:59 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
There is only one truth about any particular issue. Either Bush's tax cuts were the largest in modern history, or they weren't.

Incorrect, the terms need definition. "Largest",,"modern",,etc.

In anycase, a tax cut doesn't mean we are going the right direction. They raise and cut them all the time. The trend matters and the spending level is more important, if you cut taxes and raise borrowing, it means nothing. It just shifts the burden to a diffent group.

Now some more....
Either Bush was complicit in repealing the first amendment or he wasn't.
Either Bush was complicit in repealing the forth amendment or he wasn't.
Either we have had an explosion in government growth or we haven't.
Either we have secure borders and the rule of law, or we don't.
Either Bush says that;
"I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04
Or he doesn't.

Either Bush tried to deny a US citizen his rights, or he didn't.

The list goes on, yours and mine. Nothing will change the other's mind.

68 posted on 08/30/2006 12:45:06 PM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: reelfoot
Frist, unfortunately one of my 2 CINO Senators, has a backbone of jelly, a NumbersUSA immigration report card of D-, and a speech delivery that makes George Bush sound silver-tongued. If you're desparately wanting to have a conservative in the White House for a change, stay away from Frist.

BUMP! Noted. Will Do.

I believe we need to be seriously pushing any of the six following:

J.D. Hayworth (Cong. AZ)

Jon Kyl (Sen. AZ)

Duncan Hunter (Cong., Calif.)

Curt Weldon (Cong. Pa.)

Tom Tancredo (Cong. Colorado)

John Kline (Cong. Minnesota)


69 posted on 08/30/2006 12:53:31 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Protagoras

We went over the canard before. The first amendment is alive and well. McCian Feingold may be unconstitutional, but it has had no practical effect on free speech. It's a dud, an exercise in nothingness. Like putting a twig in a creek to change the direction of the flow.

And what has Bush done exactly to harm the 4th amendment?

Is that really all Bush has ever said about his philosophy of the federal government? Or is that a quote you keep taking, out of context and as a fraction of his views. You already know the answer.


70 posted on 08/30/2006 12:56:06 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
We went over all of this before, with no resolution. This time will be no different. I think you are incorrect on myriad points, and you don't.

It's simple, no need to beat it to death. We disagree, oh well.

71 posted on 08/30/2006 1:07:05 PM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

"Bill Frist for President?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Thud

Don't think so.


72 posted on 08/30/2006 1:27:41 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Mediacrat - A leftwing editorialist who pretends to be an objective journalist.)
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To: dirtboy

Didn't Frist contribute to Senator Gore for reelection in 1990? Those old liberal tendencies die hard.


73 posted on 08/30/2006 3:45:37 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Except he forgot to renew his license!

Duh!

If he can't run his life, how could he run the country?


74 posted on 08/30/2006 3:48:40 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: Paul Ross

Some of these people are constitutionalists, but the American people don't know them and don't want them. They want only "brand names" of which they have heard, like Clinton, McCain, or Giuliani.


75 posted on 08/30/2006 3:49:42 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: yoe

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=microphallus&x=0&y=0


76 posted on 08/30/2006 3:54:22 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Self-loathing, self-destructive, and selfish = commonalities of Leftists and Jihadists. Not Welcome.)
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To: yoe

Too wimpy.


77 posted on 08/30/2006 3:56:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: The Sons of Liberty
He may be a great doctor, but I honestly can't say that I've ever been impressed with anything he's done in the political arena.

Hand picked and annointed by GW

78 posted on 08/30/2006 4:27:59 PM PDT by itsahoot (The home of the Free, Because of the Brave (Shamelessly stolen from a Marine))
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To: yoe
Bill Frist? For President?

This is a joke? Right?

- John

79 posted on 08/30/2006 4:30:59 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Mogollon

The senate janitor has done more in the Senate than Bill Frist.


80 posted on 08/30/2006 4:36:34 PM PDT by Crooked Constituent
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To: yoe
No spine.
No balls.
No vote.

81 posted on 08/30/2006 4:38:05 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: All

yawn, so not interesting.


82 posted on 08/30/2006 6:26:40 PM PDT by ottersnot (Democrats, leading the GWAA: Global War Against America)
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To: yoe

Everytime that i look in the mirror
All these lines on my face gettin' clearer
The past is gone
It went by like dust to dawn
Isn't that the way
Everybody's got their dues in life to pay

I know nobody knows
Where it comes and where it goes
I know it's everybody's sin
You got to lose to know how to win


Half my life's in books written pages
Lived and learnd from fools and from sages
You know it's true
All these things come back to you
(all the things you do, motherfucker, come back to you)**


Sing with me, sing for the years
Sing for the laughter 'n sing for the tears
Sing with me, if it's just for today
Mabye tomorrow the good lord will take you away


Dream on, dream on, dream on
Dream yourself a dream come true
Dream on, dream on, dream on
Dream until your dream comes true
Dream on, dream on, dream on
Dream on, dream on, dream on, dream on


Sing with me, sing for the years
Sing for the laughter 'n sing for the tears
Sing with me, if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow the good lord will take you away


83 posted on 08/30/2006 6:29:30 PM PDT by Vision (God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, love and self-discipline 2Timothy1)
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To: dirtboy; yoe
Rino impulses

Frist has an extremely high ACU rating; far higher than Giuliani would get if he'd had votes to hold against him.

Frist is personally responsible for engineering the Republican majorities in the Senate for the previous 2 (3?) election cycles. His only mistake that I remember is his stem cell vote. I can forgive him for that.

Frist is no Rino. He is more conservative than all but a few Senators. With him as President we'd certainly get more constitutionalist judges.

I will support him for president in the primaries OVER McCain, Giuliani, Romney, and Tancredo. I don't know enough about Allen, so I'll probably support him over Allen until Allen gets better at explaining himself.

My preferred candidate remains our Vice President.

84 posted on 08/30/2006 6:47:18 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Protagoras
I know of no liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat who is willing to do that, or even wants to.

I have noticed that nobody in Congress even TRIES to justify legislation under the Constitution anymore?

85 posted on 08/30/2006 8:55:17 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Harrius Magnus

Does it bother you that below the listings for "microphallus" there is a Slurpee ad?


86 posted on 08/30/2006 9:00:29 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: reelfoot

Frist makes Arnie look like a conservative.


87 posted on 10/04/2006 3:17:30 PM PDT by Nickey (IS FRIST A FRENCH NAME?)
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