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Call for fertility ban for obese
BBC ^ | August 30

Posted on 08/30/2006 12:17:45 PM PDT by Bushwacker777

"The British Fertility Society is recommending women with a body mass index of 36 and over should not be allowed access to fertility treatment.

Underweight women and those classed just as obese (BMI over 29) should be forced to address their weight before starting treatment, the society said. "

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: bioethics; bodymassindex; eugenics; homosexualagenda; infertilitybritain; junkscience; meisterrace; nannystate; neonazis; obesity; pseudoscience; socializedmedicine; survivalofthefattest
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1 posted on 08/30/2006 12:17:46 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Bushwacker777

That recommendation would draw a racial discrimination suit before the ink on it dried if someone made it in the States.


2 posted on 08/30/2006 12:19:51 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: Bushwacker777

Just curious - wonder why they only mention obese in the title and not the underweight, since underweight is also mentioned in the article.


3 posted on 08/30/2006 12:20:27 PM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: Bushwacker777

Fertility bran?


4 posted on 08/30/2006 12:20:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: elc
Just curious - wonder why they only mention obese in the title...

It fits the "Obesity Crisis" template?

5 posted on 08/30/2006 12:21:34 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: Bushwacker777
Wonder how all the fatties who supported smoking bans feel now?

Who's next on the liberal hit list?

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

6 posted on 08/30/2006 12:21:42 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Bushwacker777
"But we love each other!"
7 posted on 08/30/2006 12:23:11 PM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: Owl_Eagle

certainly not the homosexuals. That's a personal lifestyle choice...


8 posted on 08/30/2006 12:23:14 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: RebelBanker

There wouldn't be a problem as long as it is framed as a health issue. BMI of 31 is serious fatass and unhealthy.


9 posted on 08/30/2006 12:25:33 PM PDT by zek157
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To: Bushwacker777

I thought "obesity" was self perpetuating.......


10 posted on 08/30/2006 12:26:11 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: weegee
The BFS, which represents health fertility professionals, also recommended single women and same sex couples be given the same priority as heterosexual couples.

Fat chicks to the back of the line, homosexuals and wannabe unwed mothers, step to the front please!

11 posted on 08/30/2006 12:26:15 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: zek157

Oh yeah? Serious fatass?

Maybe I just have big bones, buddy.


12 posted on 08/30/2006 12:29:33 PM PDT by Mama25 (The only chaps a girl can trust are those she wears)
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To: Bushwacker777

What they DON'T address in the typical 'fat people are stupid' vein, is that ALOT of the women who are having fertility problems AND are obese most likely have Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome. A disease that CAUSES obesity as well as infertility.

If they treated one, they would probably rectify the other.

But doctors are Gods and all they have to do to absolve themselves of any responsibility or good doctoring is say "Diet and exercise". Unfortunately, there are medical reasons that make it difficult, if not impossible for some (not all of course) to lose weight even with Diet and Exercise. I was eating 900 calories a day and walking two miles four to five times a week and managed to lose a whopping 10 lbs in four months. I hear other people say they got sick and lost 10 lbs in a week. People's bodies ARE different, but it's ok to hate fat people so don't bother having an understanding or compassion for them.


13 posted on 08/30/2006 12:29:44 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: zek157; RebelBanker
There wouldn't be a problem as long as it is framed as a health issue. BMI of 31 is serious fatass and unhealthy.

I calculate that for a woman of median height of 5'4" (1.63 m), a BMI of 29 corresponds to 277 lbs (126 Kg)

14 posted on 08/30/2006 12:30:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: elc
Just curious - wonder why they only mention obese in the title and not the underweight, since underweight is also mentioned in the article.

Because the title mentions a ban only for the obese. Skinny's are not banned.

15 posted on 08/30/2006 12:31:11 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: zek157
There wouldn't be a problem as long as it is framed as a health issue. BMI of 31 is serious fatass and unhealthy.

Hey, the fat ass girl paid her taxes just the same as the skinny amenorrheic jogger. This ain't right.

-ccm

16 posted on 08/30/2006 12:31:25 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

We must stamp out poverty to stamp out obesity!

I just like writing that. It shows how upside down/inside out we are :) Studies show that there exists direct correlation to obesity and poverty.

What was I thinking, the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor.


17 posted on 08/30/2006 12:31:37 PM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Toby06

"Underweight women and those classed just as obese (BMI over 29) should be forced to address their weight before starting treatment, the society said. "


18 posted on 08/30/2006 12:33:52 PM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: ccmay

the way it's going, skinny's definitely the sign of beauty because of the rarity. Just like they used to idolize hefty girls when everyone was hungry. Talking teh Renaissance.


19 posted on 08/30/2006 12:34:00 PM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Bushwacker777

British scientists demand "unclean/clean" caste system be created.


20 posted on 08/30/2006 12:34:05 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Bushwacker777; Admin Moderator

Duplicate post - same link to the same BBC article.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1692450/posts


21 posted on 08/30/2006 12:35:05 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Bushwacker777

Is this paid for by public funds? I really can't imagine that GB would try and prevent women of any size who could pay for their own treatment.


22 posted on 08/30/2006 12:35:26 PM PDT by twigs
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To: redstates4ever
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23 posted on 08/30/2006 12:39:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Bushwacker777

Something has to be done. God knows what, though. I know a family where the grown children are obese. The daughter has five kids and a hernia that's torn her abdomen muscles and her organs are all falling out to one side, not where they should be. (Sorry for graphic descrip.) She's a candidate for gastric bypass surgery, and frankly, without it, she's a goner. Five kids. Who will raise them if she dies? The state. Her mother is way overweight and dabbles in dieting to no avail. Her brother smokes, is huge, coughs like mad, and is diabetic. Thirty-one years old. Another family....the thirtyish son, obese, heavy smoker...had a massive stroke recently. His eyes are open now, after weeks and weeks of unconsciousness. God knows how he'll do. One nurse said dismissively, "Oh, he's smoker? Might as well pull the plug." The rest of the staff at the rehabilitation center are kind.)


24 posted on 08/30/2006 12:40:27 PM PDT by hershey
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To: kinghorse

The poor can't afford fresh fruits and veggies, alas. The food they can afford, and the stuff the feds give away put on the pounds. Macaroni, pasta, beans, rice, etc..


25 posted on 08/30/2006 12:42:16 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Paleo Conservative

I think your calculator is off. At 5' 4" the BMI for a 175 lb. person is 30 and 210 lb. generates a 36, which is the cutoff point recommended in the article.


26 posted on 08/30/2006 12:44:53 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: ccmay
nothing to do with taxes or freebies. Carrying a baby full term with a bmi of +30 is unhealthy for both mother and child.

Same goes for the anorexic.

It's a good thing I'm not king for a day.
27 posted on 08/30/2006 12:44:53 PM PDT by zek157
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

"Fat chicks to the back of the line, homosexuals and wannabe unwed mothers, step to the front please!"

Yes, unwed mothers and the statistical likelihood of a life of poverty is much more desirable than having a fat mom.

I'm not even going to touch the pillow biter angle.


28 posted on 08/30/2006 12:45:32 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: Paleo Conservative

Actually, based on that height and weight, the BMI would be 47.5.

For a 5'4" woman to have a BMI of 29, she would weigh approximately 170 lbs. Which is a huge difference!


29 posted on 08/30/2006 12:45:32 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: kinghorse

Health food was a niche market devised to serve the well-off. No person on WIC can afford the organic veggies from the grocery store.


30 posted on 08/30/2006 12:46:33 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: hershey

Give me a break, every food stamp/EBT user I have ever seen has a cart full of soda and Twinkies.

Fresh and whole grain food is very inexpensive and filling. Rice and beans are not fattening unless you eat too much of them!

Silly propaganda.


31 posted on 08/30/2006 12:47:42 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: elc
The title: Call for fertility ban for obese

The BAN: The British Fertility Society is recommending women with a body mass index of 36 and over should not be allowed access to fertility treatment.

Not banned:"Underweight women and those classed just as obese (BMI over 29) should be forced to address their weight before starting treatment, the society said. "

I don't see what part of this you don't get. You asked why skinny people aren't mentioned in the title. Only the obese are banned. The moderateley obese and underwight only have to address their weight, and are not banned. How much crap can they put in a title. What part of your own question is not answered by the simple first 2 parts of the article itself, OR what part of your question do you not understand?

32 posted on 08/30/2006 12:48:40 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: Bushwacker777

To me, obesity seems to be within the control of the obese. I agree that there certainly are genetic and metabolic differences between people; for example, an identical 1500 calorie per day diet may cause one person to gain weight and another person to lose weight. However, there would seem to be some appropriate caloric intake that, for the weight gainer, would lead to long term weight loss.

In my opinion, a high percentage (not all) of obesity cases are due to lack of will power.


33 posted on 08/30/2006 12:48:53 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: RebelBanker

The difference is that IVF doesn't work on very obese women so why should the money and time be spent, particularly under a government plan, for treating these women. It would be more effective for women to determine what the underlying reason is for their massive obesity and correct that, then let fertility take its natural result. Also, don't forget that most men deny fertility treatment to very obese women, too. < / sarc>


34 posted on 08/30/2006 12:49:40 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: hershey

I hear that small fiddle....

Beans & rice are very nutritious and low cal to boot. Funny the poor can always afford soda & cigs.


35 posted on 08/30/2006 12:49:44 PM PDT by zek157
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

I buy organic carrots for a dollar a bag at Walmart. It depends on WHERE a person shops. The most expensive organic food is at Whole Foods, the cheapest is at Walmart. Even better than buying the stuff, I get it right out the garden or the wild chickory growing in my yard. Organic bulk grains are very cheap and so are beans. That's carb and protein right there. I think a person on WIC may feel self conscious shopping at a high and mighty grocery store but they do. I know because I rang up a few when I worked at Whole Foods. WFM will seriously drain a person's wallet :(


36 posted on 08/30/2006 12:51:16 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: zek157
"There wouldn't be a problem as long as it is framed as a health issue. BMI of 31 is serious fatass and unhealthy."

Tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger. At his peak, the Governator had a BMI of 31. (6'2", 235 lbs.)

The BMI is not a suitable measure of fitness for body builders, and many other athletes. There are more suitable direct measures of % body fat. I doubt that Arnie had more than 12% body fat at his peak.
37 posted on 08/30/2006 12:52:15 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: RebelBanker

yep

Height: 5 feet, 4 inches
Weight: 210 pounds

Your BMI is 36, indicating your weight is in the obese category for adults of your height.


38 posted on 08/30/2006 12:54:00 PM PDT by zek157
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To: sandbar

900 calories isn't enough for anyone to maintain normal body processes. You were starving yourself.


39 posted on 08/30/2006 12:54:03 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: doc30

Excellent points, but not exactly related to my post. I was attempting to point out that minority women are much more likely to be obese, so this recommendation would be de facto racial discrimination. This would draw a lawsuit in a heartbeat here.


40 posted on 08/30/2006 12:54:29 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: GatorGirl
For a 5'4" woman to have a BMI of 29, she would weigh approximately 170 lbs. Which is a huge difference!

BMI = [Body Mass in Kg / (Height in meters cubed)]

A 5'4" woman who weighs 170 lbs is 1.63 m and 77 Kg. That makes a BMI of 17.8

41 posted on 08/30/2006 12:55:31 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: RebelBanker
minority women are much more likely to be obese

Really? Wasn't aware of this...
42 posted on 08/30/2006 12:56:39 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Paleo Conservative

"I calculate that for a woman of median height of 5'4" (1.63 m), a BMI of 29 corresponds to 277 lbs (126 Kg)"

You should use this calculator then:
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

The BMI for the woman you describe would be 47.5.

A 5'4" person with a BMI of 29 would weigh in at 169 lbs.


43 posted on 08/30/2006 12:56:48 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Good post. My body fat is at about 11% or 12% but my BMI is somewhere in the low to mid 20's. BMI measures can be very misleading.


44 posted on 08/30/2006 12:58:10 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Toby06

You might want to check your self smartass.

There is no ban. What part of the article did you not understand?


45 posted on 08/30/2006 12:58:52 PM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I'm surprised they are using BMI as the sole criteria. BMI can be misleading. I'm a pretty tiny person (5'4", 110 lbs), but by no means anorexic. That puts me at an 18.9 BMI, which by their definition would define me as underweight.

I'm very healthy - heredity was very good to me. I just happen to have the metabolism of a hummingbird. So I guess I shouldn't have fertility treatment?


46 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:02 PM PDT by kemathen7
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To: RebelBanker
Found this - looks like you're right - very interesting...

http://www.obesity.org/subs/fastfacts/obesity_youth.shtml

I wonder if this is a poverty-type issue or cultural...
47 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:03 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The calculator does not state the formula it uses to calculate results.


48 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:05 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I'm sure they are using skinfold or other method (weight in water?) for the proper BMI index?


49 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:17 PM PDT by zek157
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To: RebelBanker

Wow you've never been to the shopping malls on Long Island. Everyone is fat there. How many minorities are getting fertility treatments I wonder. The few that I knew were slim, professional women. A lot of the minority obesity is related to class and poverty. I don't know if I agree there'd be a lawsuit though.


50 posted on 08/30/2006 12:59:27 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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