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Posted on 08/30/2006 3:19:02 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
Cardinal Warns About Colombia Abortion
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- A leading cardinal said the Vatican will excommunicate the doctors who performed Colombia's first legal abortion on an 11-year old girl who allegedly was raped by her stepfather.
Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for the Family, made the announcement in an interview with RCN television Tuesday.
''Every Christian Catholic who submits to an abortion, whether it be directly or indirectly, will be excommunicated,'' Lopez said.
It was not immediately clear if he also was referring to the girl and her family.
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The secretary of Colombia's Episcopal Conference, Monsignor Fabian Marulanda, said he doubted that the Vatican would take the formal steps of excommunicating the doctors, but that the doctors should consider themselves excommunicated until they submit to penance.
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At her age, the parents had the responsibility of making the decision they felt was right for her. Would you want the same right to make decisions you feel to be right, for your child?
I think you would.
Let me amend "parents" to "mother", since obviously the other "parent" was the source of the problem, here.
"So what's your answer?"
My answer is that I don't feel like playing silly games.
There is no simple yes or no answer to a question that difficult. However, such cases are one in a million.
For the vast majority of cases, the answer is much easier.
I wouldn't wish it on a girl for anything less than to prevent the girl's own fatality.
Maybe what we really disagree on is how difficult this girl's case is. I don't think it's nearly as clear cut as you apparently do.
The excuse of the crypto rapists.
Was the stepfather removed from the girl's family life? I am overtired, but I read the article specifically looking for that information and did not find it.
It appears that you are backing away from this position.
Was the stepfather removed? I couldn't find that in the story. How can she be a little girl again if he's still somewhere in her family life?
I read the same story, so I only know as much as you do. :-\
:-( If they had no words about a restraining order or separation or estrangement, I fear the worst.
It's Colombia, not the United States. I would hope he'd be in the hands of the legal system, but who knows.
I understand that the laws are different there. I just note that the story left out the prospect for her safety going forward.
BTW, the story ran in the NYT so you would think that some editor would follow up on the question to find out if he was still around.
And such a thing is worse than killing an innocent human? I don't think anything is worse than killing an innocent baby.
thanks a lot...I was a little confused by the priest's words and was wondering what the 'indirect' part meant. Thanks again!
Here is an interesting testimonial from Sharron Osborn about her abortion.
Excerpt from Sharon: The rock of the Osbournes unXpurgated
By JENNY JOHNSTON
The Daily Mail
You can level many charges at Sharon Osbourne, but she is brutally honest, and it is her vulnerability that makes her likeable.
"Everybody has something in the closet, and I reckon the best policy is always to be honest, then it can't come back to haunt you," she says. And she holds her hands up to her own "big mistakes". The biggest brings her to tears. "I had an abortion at 17 and it was the worst thing I ever did. It was the first time I'd had sex, and that was rotten. I'd always thought it was going to be all violins, and it was just awful.
"I was two months gone when I realised. I went to my mum and she said, without pausing for breath: 'You have to get rid of it.'
"She told me where the clinic was, then virtually pushed me off. She was so angry. She said I'd got myself in this mess, now she had to get me out.
"But she didn't come. I went alone. I was terrified. It was full of other young girls, and we were all terrified and looking at each other and nobody was saying a bloody word. I howled my way through it, and it was horrible.
"I would never recommend it to anyone because it comes back to haunt you. When I tried to have children, I lost three - I think it was because something had happened to my cervix during the abortion. After three miscarriages, they had to put a stitch in it.
"In life, whatever it is, you pay somewhere down the line. You have to be accountable."
Will we now be faced with A delicatessen vatican APPROACH TO EXCOMMUNICATION by only applying this order to Bogota, Columbia , or will this order include all of the Catholic World.
It will be interesting to see how the vatican gets out of this mess.
The post-abortion emotional trauma lasts a lifetime as well.
This is as close to a genuine lose-lose situation as anyone can find within the entire abortion debate. Eleven is way to young to become a parent. Eleven is also way to young to do murder. She's had an abortion. On top of being raped, she's going to be dealing with the aftermath of having killed her own child--my guess is that she'll be facing that sooner than later. Suppose she had been allowed to bear her child? Maybe she'd have been able to see herself not only as someone who survived an incredibly traumatic act of violence, but something even more than that: She would be able to see herself as a giver of life.
No easy choices here.
I think you're assuming too much. The article doesn't give any information regarding the state of the mother's relationship with the stepfather (were they together or estranged?), the stepfather's mental state at the time of the rape (Jekyll to Hyde transformation or was he always a creep?), or if there was anything the mother could have done to protect her daughter from the attack (did she have any warning that it might happen?).
Tough situation. But the Cardinal is upholding the Doctrine of the Church that has pretty much come to us from the Apostles. As to excommunication many of these "excommunications" can be lifted by simply going to Confession.
I suppose also the Cardinal is voicing the view that a further "evil" such as murdering a unborn child cannot be tolerated.
Do noi forget to launder your halo.
I googled the story and found coverage from Australia to Turkey, and none of the articles mentioned it.
"It appears that you are backing away from this position."
No, just backing away from puerile word games.
"The excuse of the crypto rapists."
FR has really declined in recent years.
You should be past intellectual garbage like that before you start posting here.
What word games? I asked you to what your position would be in a hypothetical case, and you have so far refused to answer.
"What word games? I asked you to what your position would be in a hypothetical case, and you have so far refused to answer."
You remind me of old George Carlin albums. "Hey, fodda. If God is all-powerful, can He make a rock so big that He Himself can't lift it? Hey, we got him now, a-hyuk, a-hyuk."
A certain level of intellectual maturity is required to see that such "hypotheticals" are a waste of time. And that's the last bit of time I have to waste on that foolishness.
The question I asked you was a serious one, and one that occasionally, albeit rarely, comes up in real life. It's one of those difficult cases that make people who truly are intellectually mature reflect on what they believe. If you are unable to answer it, just say so. Calling me puerile, immature, and foolish is just deflecting the issue.
I've just read this entire post. I am, to a point, against abortion. I believe that if a woman gets pregnant by consenting to sex, she should have to carry the baby and if she doesn't want it, there are plenty of want-to-be parents who would. If a woman is raped, it should be her choice. In this case, we are talking about a little girl. I have an 11-year-old daughter and I would make the same decision these parents made. She is a child, has to go to school, has to grow up. She cannot be a parent. Her body is not mature enough to carry a child. She would be ridiculed in school and what do you think would happen to her then? If you think her parents made the wrong decision, do you have a little girl? Have you ever been through a pregnancy? Would you really put a child through what a woman is meant to handle. I don't think God would've wanted this either. You talk about the medical problems an abortion vs delivery causes for women. Not a child.
You have no idea how long I have waited to see you get zotted!
You have no idea how many people have been waiting for this day. That troll should have been gone long ago. He/she/it cracked jokes and gloated over many murders. It was one of the original WPPFF that broadcast their drinking games during the murder of Terri Schiavo.
I can't imagine the girl would be ex-communicated. I highly doubt she consented to it but rather was forced.
Safety of the mother.
At the very least, that is working on the very faulty assumption that abortions are safe.
In addition, there is the horrific conditions that exist in hospitals in Colombia.
Years ago I visited some friends in Bogota and was told that you avoid hospitals at all costs. They knew someone who died from complications due to a tonsillectomy of all things. He was still in the hospital and there was no doctor present to attend to him. He bled to death.
This one I'll partake in. :) Glad to zee itz been zotted.
If a pregnancy is found to be life threatening, it is either a tubal pregnancy, which is a in a class by itself, or is usually late enough in the pregnancy that the baby can be delivered early and put in NICU.
It doesn't have to be killed by abortion.
Only a man could think that.
“Safety of the mother.”
What did that baby do that you are entitled to kill it? What is its crime?
Thanks for the ping!
Had a minor run in with him/her on the prayers thread:
That was so perverted and repulsive that he/she had to be mentally ill and/or a sociopath. Good riddance.