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Katrina bodies warehouse
katc.com ^ | 08/30/06 | katc

Posted on 08/30/2006 7:25:14 PM PDT by Ellesu

A warehouse in downtown New Orleans has become the focus of a heated post-Katrina debate. In the warehouse, which is in sight of the Superdome, are more than 100 caskets. Those caskets contain the bodies of Katrina victims who were either never identified or never claimed by their families.

The state had planned to bury the victims at a special site 60 miles away but Mayor Ray Nagin nixed the idea.

Nagin wants the bodies buried in New Orleans. Problem is it could take at least a year to raise the million dollars needed to build a cemetery and memorial.

In the meantime, the bodies will remain in the unrefrigerated warehouse.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bodies; holeintheheadnagin; katrina; mybodiessyoucanthave; nagin; naginsarmyofdarkness; neworleans; pulightamatch; warehouse

1 posted on 08/30/2006 7:25:15 PM PDT by Ellesu
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To: SeafoodGumbo; LA Woman3; mom4kittys

ping


2 posted on 08/30/2006 7:26:07 PM PDT by Ellesu
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To: Ellesu

My guess is the city was holding on to the bodies to get FEMA to pay for burying them.


3 posted on 08/30/2006 7:26:35 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democrats = terrorists)
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To: Ellesu

More than 100 bodies in an un-refrigerated warehouse for at least a year?

I think we may be dealing with the latest Katrina myth here.


4 posted on 08/30/2006 7:29:19 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (If the people lead, the leaders will follow.)
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To: Ellesu
In the meantime, the bodies will remain in the unrefrigerated warehouse.

Uh, don't bury me and I'll raise a stink.

5 posted on 08/30/2006 7:29:23 PM PDT by umgud (Do moderate muslims luv us infidels and Jews?.... Didn't think so.)
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To: Ellesu
They don't actually bury people in NO do they? Aren't they in crypts above ground because of the water table?
6 posted on 08/30/2006 7:30:36 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (You! Shake your junk!)
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To: Ellesu

Let Nagin come up with the money to do it.


7 posted on 08/30/2006 7:30:41 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Ellesu
In the meantime, the bodies will remain in the unrefrigerated warehouse.

Air causes bodies to deteriorate more quickly.

By the time Nagin decides to bury these people, they will be dark tissue over bone.

8 posted on 08/30/2006 7:31:29 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Ellesu
I thought there were no burials in NO, that everyone was interred above ground.
9 posted on 08/30/2006 7:31:49 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: isthisnickcool

Yes, in New Orleans when you die you go into a tomb.


10 posted on 08/30/2006 7:32:29 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Arm_Bears
I think we may be dealing with the latest Katrina myth here.

There is no odor. The bacteria did their thing a long time ago.

11 posted on 08/30/2006 7:32:43 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: trumandogz

the oldest cemeteries here are below ground. There isnt any real reason anymore other than tradition for above ground crypts; concrete sarcophagi arent affected by water.


12 posted on 08/30/2006 7:36:20 PM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: verum ago

So, Metairie Cemetery and all the tombs are just for show?


13 posted on 08/30/2006 7:38:54 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Ellesu
Nagin wants the bodies buried in New Orleans.

Makes sense to me. He's needs every vote he can get.

14 posted on 08/30/2006 7:41:03 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Ellesu
In the meantime, the bodies will remain in the unrefrigerated warehouse.

Color me dubious. Not that I don't trust "the news" anymore.

15 posted on 08/30/2006 7:41:38 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: sinkspur

And nary a peep about the stench of decaying bodies early on.


16 posted on 08/30/2006 7:42:15 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (If the people lead, the leaders will follow.)
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To: Ellesu

Cremation is more practicle. Less real estate involved.


17 posted on 08/30/2006 7:42:17 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Ellesu

The city should be turned into a huge parking lot.


18 posted on 08/30/2006 7:44:42 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Ellesu

With the contents of secret overseas bank deposit boxes belonging to Nagin, Blanco and Landrieu the entire city could be rebuilt, including a new cemetary.


19 posted on 08/30/2006 7:50:37 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Ellesu
Nagin wants the bodies buried in New Orleans. Problem is it could take at least a year to raise the million dollars needed to build a cemetery and memorial.

In the meantime, the bodies will remain in the unrefrigerated warehouse.

Nagin really knows how to create a stink, doesn't he?

20 posted on 08/30/2006 7:52:25 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: trumandogz

You go into an above ground tomb and you get the top bunk. When another relative dies they push your remains into the pit with 10 - 15 other relatives.


21 posted on 08/30/2006 7:54:54 PM PDT by pterional
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To: Ellesu

Will they get a slow march through the Quarter with a Dixeland band and a second line?


22 posted on 08/30/2006 8:04:05 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: verum ago
concrete sarcophagi arent affected by water

Not completely true.

If the sarcophagus is properly sealed the ground water will eventually push it to the surface. The sarcophagus will literally float to the surface.

It may take a few decades but given that New Orleans is river delta land and has high ground water probably not too long.

23 posted on 08/30/2006 8:29:27 PM PDT by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: Pontiac

I thought all the bodies from Katrina were moved to the morque they built in St. Gabriel?

I can see the new morgue from my plant.


24 posted on 08/30/2006 8:33:30 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: sinkspur
By the time Nagin decides to bury these people, they will be dark tissue over bone.

Given the high humidity and temperatures in New Orleans I suspect that what will be in those aluminum government coffins will be more of a soup of bacteria, digested body tissue and fluids surrounding the darkly stained bones.

25 posted on 08/30/2006 8:34:12 PM PDT by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: Inge_CAV

Ray Nagin is a comical fool. He is not all there mentally. Mr. Chocolate City loves the big money pot he dips into. His luck will run out eventually.


26 posted on 08/30/2006 8:35:28 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( **Hunter-Tancredo-Weldon-Hayworth 4 President** I get it, Glenn.)
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To: Ellesu

The should bury these poor souls in Nagin's front yard.
For the life of me I can't believe this fool is still mayor.


27 posted on 08/30/2006 8:35:56 PM PDT by Lucky2 (Lucky2 is a Yankee fan)
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To: Ellesu
Katrina victims who were either never identified or never claimed by their families

Over a hundred bodies unclaimed or unidentified is not the sign of a loving city. How many were people killed in New Orleans, a little less than 1500 with out checking. That about 7% of the bodies unwanted.

28 posted on 08/30/2006 8:47:46 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: Ellesu
One word:

Creamate.

29 posted on 08/30/2006 8:49:40 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: sinkspur
People often wonder about the above-ground family crypts of New Orleans. A corpse is placed in the crypt and within 1 year the corpse consists of only bones. The heat and humidity causes bodies to decay to almost nothing in a very short period of time. The crypts are like ovens on hot days with temperatures above 120 F. The casket is removed from the crypt after about a year and the bones abd skull placed in cloth bags which are them placed on shelves in the back of the crypt along with other family members. This is why the crypt is a few feet or more longer than a casket. The casket is then disposed of. The crypt is then ready for the next family member to die. Many crypts have room for two caskets. If more family members were to die in the course of a year than could be held in a family crypt, you could rent space in other crypts.

A few years back there were complaints about one cemetery that was doing a poor job of disposing the caskets because the smell was bad and not all of the bones were removed before the casket was placed in a dumpster. Any body recovered after Katrina that was not found within the first several weeks was most likely only a skeleton when it was found.
30 posted on 08/30/2006 8:55:23 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: ThomasThomas

"Over a hundred bodies unclaimed or unidentified is not the sign of a loving city."

Many were homeless drifters. Plus there are people who have no living relatives who died, so no way to check DNA, etc. It is a stretch of the imagination to say that the bodies were unwanted. They most likely had no one close to them when they were alive. Some people are still looking for lost relatives who likely got washed back into a bayou or the river.


31 posted on 08/30/2006 9:03:01 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Pontiac; trumandogz

mmm, good point about the buoyancy, Pontiac

the city's first cemetery (I do not recall its name), its second (St. Peter Street Cemetery), and the St. Louis cemetery all have below ground burials. St. Louis was the first to convert over to above ground burials, for the dual reasons that it was lower than the first two cemeteries (and thus more prone to casket flotation) but also because there was no longer any more room in the cemetery for below ground burial. The water table today in NO is lower than it ever has been due to pumping; below ground burial isnt an impossibilty, but it still carries the rather gruesome risk of bodies coming loose if the city ever floods again. However, there is a burial technique, whereby the entire grave is given a concrete liner and sealed, that can prevent flotation; this was used in St. Louis Cemetery successfully but can be prohibitively costly. So I guess I was trying to point out that below ground burials are possible with technical advances and the subsidance of the water table, but, yes, they still probably arent a good idea if even only due to space concerns.


32 posted on 08/31/2006 9:48:27 AM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: Arm_Bears

It's no myth, sadly. The bodies are there, embalmed I'm assuming.
This is not surprising. The us-vs-them mentality rules here. 'Outsiders' are constantly vilified, the thought of a changed
( more white) city is infinitely more horrifying than a destroyed one. The myopic mentality is so bad that now they don't want the 'New Orleans dead' to go anywhere else!!!
If anyone doubts what I say, or wants to know what the local thinking is like, I invite you to go to NOLA.com. Find the local forums and read! The hatred of 'outsiders' is everywhere. Forget that those outsiders have sent $$, and have come to physically clean up the mess. They don't mind 'outsiders' bringing in relief and free food- just keep on moving!
Provincialism/ Carribbean mentality was killing this city long before Katrina. Now it's exposed.
So , believe it- its more important that the dead, and the power, be kept here than it is for common sense and practicality to rule. This is New Orleans- cue the "Twilight Zone" theme...


33 posted on 08/31/2006 11:06:41 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky
he myopic mentality is so bad that now they don't want the 'New Orleans dead' to go anywhere else!!!

I guess Nagin feels he will need the votes again next go-round.

34 posted on 08/31/2006 11:09:33 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: freedumb2003

That- and the fact that some 'connected' person would sell the cemetery land to the city, and other 'connected' people would profit from an in-city burial.
If the state buries these poor souls, none of the $$ comes to N.O.
Nothing ever has- nothing ever WILL- get done in N.O. unless the right people profit from it. I think the entire place should be Federalized. Not because I think it would be any more efficient, but that it would end local cronyism at last.
The plantation mentality needs a tough overseer.


35 posted on 08/31/2006 12:56:02 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Nagin gave a speech here in Indianapolis last month to a "journalist" convention and got on local tv quite a bit.
He is a real piece of work.
Really a perfect representation of his constituents.
Unfortunately the rest of us are picking up the tab for all of it.


36 posted on 08/31/2006 1:03:31 PM PDT by nascarnation
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