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Rift Between Democrats and Religious Growing Larger
Slate ^ | 8/29/06 | Amy Sullivan

Posted on 08/30/2006 8:56:33 PM PDT by Rawlings

When Democratic Party leaders "found God in the 2004 exit polls," as Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne Jr. likes to say, no one expected instant results. Many of the party's early efforts to attract religious voters, after all, were scattershot and not a little awkward. No one knew quite what the "faith staffer"—a new breed of legislative aide—was supposed to do, and random-seeming insertions of Bible verses into floor speeches came off as Tourette's syndrome for Democrats. In the longer run, though, the new focus on forming relationships with religious communities and voters has been the right move for a party that had essentially limited its religious outreach to black churches. Democratic campaign trainings now smartly include tips for communicating with Catholic voters. Candidates are starting to appear on religious radio outlets. And Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has even stopped saying things to intentionally antagonize evangelicals.

Which is why it is startling that in the two years since this Democratic revival began, the party's faith-friendly image has dimmed rather than improved. The Pew Research Center's annual poll on religion and politics, released last week, shows that while 85 percent of voters say religion is important to them, only 26 percent of Americans think the Democratic Party is "friendly" to religion. That's down from 40 percent in the summer of 2004 and 42 percent the year before that—in other words, a 16-point plunge over three years. The decline is especially troubling because it cuts across the political and religious spectra, encompassing liberals and conservatives, white and black evangelicals, mainline Protestants, Catholics, and Jews

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Socons will be the driving force behind what I predict to be GOP gains this fall. The security moms will be out to vote Republican and the election should be mainly about terror. But the Socons have just about as much to lose from a Rat majority as do most Americans concerned about terror. The socons are extremely energized and the great reawakening of evangelicals, orthodox jews, and traditional catholics into politics will come to its fulcrum in '06 and '08. American politics will feel a tremor like never before and we'll see the culture slowly follow. At least, I hope so!
1 posted on 08/30/2006 8:56:34 PM PDT by Rawlings
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To: Rawlings
The democrats think they can fool all of the people all of the time.

What arrogance.

2 posted on 08/30/2006 8:59:35 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Rawlings
And Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has even stopped saying things to intentionally antagonize evangelicals.

Which is why it is startling that in the two years since this Democratic revival began, the party's faith-friendly image has dimmed rather than improved.

This article is so condescending I can barely read it. It just demonstrates how stupid they think people really are, especially religious ones.

Not sure what a SoCon is, please help me out.
3 posted on 08/30/2006 9:01:21 PM PDT by schu
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To: Rawlings
I just heard a similar conversation on O'Reilly, seems the democrats have hired some religious advisor's to teach them how to talk like a Christian.

Talk about paving a rocky road to hell, they seam to be right on track
4 posted on 08/30/2006 9:01:59 PM PDT by fabriclady
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To: Rawlings

I pray that you are correct in that assessment.


5 posted on 08/30/2006 9:06:00 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: schu
Not sure what a SoCon is, please help me out.

I think it means social conservative.

6 posted on 08/30/2006 9:07:34 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Alex Murphy
Religious Left Lack Of Traction Ping.

Which is why it is startling that in the two years since this Democratic revival began, the party's faith-friendly image has dimmed rather than improved.

Let the Dems be Dems. I like the foaming at the mouth.

This could be an example of Politically Unintelligent Design in action.

7 posted on 08/30/2006 9:08:26 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: schu

You're right. Amy Sullivan is very, very condascending. But she's right. The Rats are screwed until they can sincerely embrace faith. Since leftism is so inimicable to faith, that's not likely to happen for a long while.

"SoCon" is just a squished together version of "Social Conservative."


8 posted on 08/30/2006 9:09:19 PM PDT by Rawlings (Tipton Time!)
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To: Rawlings

With the ACLU demon democrats trying to squash religious liberties and freedoms everywhere we sheeple 'Socons' not buying the fake liberal pibble about Dems seeking to win over Christian conservatives.....They can 'fahgedaboutit'


9 posted on 08/30/2006 9:10:48 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: schu

I never heard the term SoCons either, but I think it must be social conservatives.

Leftists seem to feel perfectly comfortable with the idea of lying for the good old cause, so that sort of behavior doesn't bother their base very much. But real Christians and Jews tend to think that there's something a little, well, WRONG about lying.

So these obvious lies about pretending to be religious when they obviously aren't can only make things worse.


10 posted on 08/30/2006 9:12:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Rawlings

I'm glad the left is the way it is, forever bungling about with inefficient boobery. Let liberalism s(t)ink until it is no more.


11 posted on 08/30/2006 9:12:51 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (What I do (sin) is proof of what I am (sinful).)
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To: Rawlings
Begala is a devout pro-life Catholic who named his oldest son John Paul

Really? It's new to me.

12 posted on 08/30/2006 9:13:39 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: Rawlings
California's SB1441 passing won't help Democrats either.

Hopefully they once again have pushed too hard.

Terminator Squashes Religious Freedom (FR)

Red State Rising, Part I.(blogspot)

Gov. Arnold Tosses School Moral Codes (WND)

13 posted on 08/30/2006 9:14:04 PM PDT by sayfer bullets (Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rawlings
The Rats are screwed until they can sincerely embrace faith.

By then, they probably would have changed their party affiliation.

14 posted on 08/30/2006 9:17:04 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: Rawlings

Wow!! From your lips to God's ears.


15 posted on 08/30/2006 9:17:59 PM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: siunevada
This whole thing is just another example of the fundamental difference between the two parties.

The Dems continue to chase whatever issue they think can pull in more votes, more political power for them. The GOP provides true leadership, it doesn't chase the polls.

Like so many other issues the Dems chase and promote, they have no real interest in Religion. In fact, liberals would seem to be openly hostile towards religion under various high-minded sounding guises. Yet their new spin and "marketing" is chasing after a pro-religion image?

The Dems rabid pandering to any group they think they can fool into a few votes would be funny if it weren't so pathetic and insulting to our intelligence.

16 posted on 08/30/2006 9:18:42 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: paudio
Begala is a devout pro-life Catholic...

Then how can he support the Democratic Party Platform and their candidates?
17 posted on 08/30/2006 9:20:49 PM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: Rawlings

But golly, I just saw bleached-blonde kristen whats-her-name on TV bleating about how religious she is!


18 posted on 08/30/2006 9:25:03 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Rawlings

Democrats enticing support from Christians is like Hezbullah enticing support from Israelis.


19 posted on 08/30/2006 9:25:56 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: paudio
Begala is a devout pro-life Catholic who named his oldest son John Paul

It's "Juan Paolo" when he's courting La Raza.

20 posted on 08/30/2006 9:28:06 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: Rawlings

Ahhhh...the poor Dems. They think they can fool all of the people all of the time with packaging and spin.

In the meantime, substance is our secret weapon!


21 posted on 08/30/2006 9:28:54 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: Rawlings

Religous voters aren't supid. They know who is ultimately behind taking down of crosses and 10 commandments all over the country. They know who is behind telling graduation speakers they can't say "god" in a speech. They know who is behind stripping "god" from the pledge and every other reference. Democrats think they can hide behind ACLU and not think that a church going voter won't realize that it's the Democrat party who is taking religion away from this country?


22 posted on 08/30/2006 9:33:36 PM PDT by paltz
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To: Rawlings
Rarely is there an acknowledgment that Democratic politicians—and Democratic voters—hold liberal political views precisely because of their religious beliefs, that caring for the most vulnerable in society and protecting God's creation are imperatives, too.

Oh, I see: abortion and homosexual "rights" are "caring for the most vulnerable" and "protecting God's creation." Right! They can't even fool themselves anymore.

23 posted on 08/30/2006 9:34:36 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: schu

I remember watching Bush elder and Clinton at one of the tsunami talks. (Please give us money)

The interviewer asked them a question about religion which Bush senior answered in a heartfelt traditional manner - exactly what a Christian would say.

Clinton answered second, and it was so obvious he was just parroting Bush. The words didn't quite make sense and a Christian wouldn't say it that way. I guess a person who didn't go to church regularly wouldn't pick it up, but right away I could tell Clinton was "pretending" to answer like a Christian.

Real Christians can tell the real deal.


24 posted on 08/30/2006 9:38:05 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Rawlings

I find it hard to believe that these people[DEMORATS] can be this STUPID.Their arrogance is mind blowing.Religious demorats? Huh?


25 posted on 08/30/2006 9:40:42 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Rawlings
I just posted this on another thread, but it belongs here:

As FR's token atheist, I confess I prefer the company of Christians, but I end up around a lot of libs/atheists due to work and location. The amount of pure loathing, the personal hatred, for Christianity is, frankly, more than most Christians may even believe. I challenge these atheists on their own turf, and it is soooooo easy to get a rise out of them--I merely point out how many Christians I've worked with then I was working with the homeless, for example, and I step back and watch their heads explode. :)

The Dems are undone by their inability to come to grips with their hatred for Christianity (which I believe is wrapped up in their teenage rebellion against Mommy and Daddy, a rebellion which in the case of libs never ends--i.e. they never grow up) and the truly scary fact NONE of them wants to admit--they hate George Bush and America more than they hate UBL, Saddam and Islamofascism (which they don't see as a threat).

The reason the Dems can't "act" like they're pro-Christian is because being anti-Christian--or anti-conservative Christian--is inseparablr from their political DNA. If they were more religious, they wouldn't be Democrats. And you simply can't fake a love for a religion you aren't (as I am) indifferent to but actively hate, due to your belief it is repressive, anti-woman, etc.

The Dems are in the uncomfortable position of having to hide what they really are in order to get votes--they can't SAY they hate Christianity, think the WOT is a joke, Islamofaccism a Rove invention, and abortion the closest thing to a sacrament we will find on Earth.

No wonder they have such empathy for the gays--the Libs are all in the closet.

26 posted on 08/30/2006 9:49:05 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

You're an honorable guy to say that! You sound a whole lot more like a Dobson Disciple there than an avowed atheist. But then again some of the most impassioned defences for faith have come from guys like Charles Krauthammer. Theology doesn't matter so much these days as much as Judeo-Christian values. Our founders were a little sketchy on hard Christian theology. But they believed that this nation is only great and will only survived based on its hold of Judeo-Christian principles. I think that at least intinsically most Americans get that.


27 posted on 08/30/2006 9:53:56 PM PDT by Rawlings (Tipton Time!)
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To: no dems
Not just that. Then why is he a smart mouth arrogant belittling I am smarter than thou treacherous slimebag that defended Clinton during his adulterous, sexually harassing charges? I highly doubt he listens to what the catholic faith preaches.

This is once again a perfect example how democrats think the yare smarter than everyone else and we sheep are just idiots that they can herd around.
28 posted on 08/30/2006 9:57:41 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Bravo.

Atheism isn't the enemy of Christians (in my view). Atheism is itself a form of faith - perhaps faith that there is not a supreme being?

The Dems, in actively opposing Christianity due to some odd stereotypes, show that once again they are all surface and no substance. While there are some fundamentalist groups that take a hard line on women, homosexuality, {insert favorite issue here} there are many groups that are based on the belief that we are saved by grace. Not by acts, not by what we are/aren't, who we sleep with, how much we donate, etc. We're saved by grace, whether we deserve it or not. I daresay none of us could hope to earn salvation, and none of us has earned the right to sit in judgment of others.

29 posted on 08/30/2006 10:04:56 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Rawlings
Good point re: Judeo-Christian values. I don't have to believe as others do about Christ's divinity to believe his philosophy is the greatest of all. I knew the Dems were in trouble when they started mocking Bush for saying Jesus was his favorite philosopher--they are too high over themselves to grasp that Bush was reflecting the beliefs of most of the "regular blue collar folks" who are their supposed base.

If Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc., even if they don't care for each other, can still stand together under the Christian umbrella, then a few of us outside it can still appreciate the values they all share. The Dems simply cannot GET that. They are a party of division--their idea of "multiculturalism" begins and ends at one's skin tone. I like to think that skin tone is the one thing that is of NO importance to the rest of us.

30 posted on 08/30/2006 10:06:53 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Rawlings

We should keep a daily thread going on this and keep track of the Dems rhetoric in the coming months. Would be fun!


31 posted on 08/30/2006 10:08:13 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: schu
Yes, it comes across from the writer as so much, "what gimmickry can the Dems use to to sway religious people to vote for them". A completely cynical and hypocritical approach.
32 posted on 08/30/2006 10:14:16 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: jrooney

Every one of them that I have seen or read is trying to squeeze the democrtic platform into Christianty, whereas policy flows from faith for Christians.


33 posted on 08/30/2006 10:15:50 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.All generalizations are false, including this one.)
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To: Rawlings
Which is why it is startling that in the two years since this Democratic revival began, the party's faith-friendly image has dimmed rather than improved.

The more they try to act like they support religion, the more obvious it is that they don't.

34 posted on 08/30/2006 10:16:59 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: ClaireSolt

Very well said.


35 posted on 08/30/2006 10:17:48 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Bump

I like to think that skin tone is the one thing that is of NO importance to the rest of us.

It is also often the one thing a person can do nothing about. I prefer to think of people on their own terms.

36 posted on 08/30/2006 10:19:45 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.All generalizations are false, including this one.)
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To: Darkwolf377
"They are a party of division..."

I couldn't agree more! Dems seem to love to sweep in, create a division if they can't find a convenient one. Better yet, create a vicimized group. Then promise big-daddy socialist govt. will make it all better if only they would elect them...

37 posted on 08/30/2006 10:22:17 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Rawlings
Isn't body language something like 50% of communication? Maybe the Dems should think about that. They've gotten the idea that they can fool people by having their representatives mouth a few mollifying words here and there, but their true feelings about religion are totally betrayed by their party's nonverbal cues, so to speak.
38 posted on 08/30/2006 10:22:27 PM PDT by Yardstick
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only 26 percent of Americans think the Democratic Party is "friendly" to religion.

Well, they are friendly to satan worshippers, witches, and islamonazis.

39 posted on 08/30/2006 10:23:10 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rome2000

"tolerance"...their keyword. It takes the place of "God".


40 posted on 08/30/2006 10:24:46 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar
The Dems are the party of "group think". They look at the religious as just another "group" to exploit for votes. That is their cynical world view.
41 posted on 08/30/2006 10:28:20 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: bonfire

A couple months ago, I started keeping track of the quotes and actions of Dems against Christians. I put in "AC" (for anti-Christian) and "persecution" as keywords. Perhaps you could do that in the future, in case I miss some threads. Yes, we should compile a good list of Dem anti-Christian quotes and actions so that we can show Christians just how anti-Christian the Dems really are. This will probably be even more important in the run-up to the 2008 Presidential election.


42 posted on 08/30/2006 10:31:05 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA

I'll do whatever I can. I also keep the news on all day so I should have mucho examples!


43 posted on 08/30/2006 10:36:45 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Rawlings

"But she's right. The Rats are screwed until they can sincerely embrace faith. Since leftism is so inimicable to faith, that's not likely to happen for a long while."

Indeed. The day they drop the gay agenda, the ACLU, the political correctness, and the school authoritarianism is the day that they make some progress.

In others words, it's almost impossible for them to come off as sincere, as they're going to have to dump all that they've been foisting upon us for these last few years.


44 posted on 08/31/2006 12:52:56 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: I still care
came off as Tourette's syndrome for Democrats...
Real Christians can tell the real deal...

When the tenor sings at the opera everybody can tell if he hits the wrong note. He gets a pass on the low notes but he better nail the sustained high notes or we are going to toss tomatoes.
45 posted on 08/31/2006 1:12:02 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: fabriclady
They can "talk" like a Christian all they want, they don't believe in Christian values, so the arrogance of thinking that they can fool Christians by inserting some Bible quotes into their speeches only turns off Christians even more.

Most people can handle people they disagree with, but they dislike people trying to fool them, and most of all they detest people who condescend to them. Which is why you see such a massive drop coincide with this fake reach-out attempt.
46 posted on 08/31/2006 1:22:40 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: paudio

Begala is a devout pro-life Catholic who named his oldest son John Paul

Really? It's new to me.

It's news to Paul Begala too. I don't believe for a second he's pro-life. He either isn't, or has abortion so low on his list of issues that are important to him that his position on it is essentially meaningless.

What these political analyst always fail to understand is that a person's position on a particular issue is not nearly as telling as how important that issue is to that person. People do not tally up a party's platform on all the issues, and compare it to the tally of another party's platform, and vote for the party that comes out ahead. They look at the few issues that are important to them, and then votes for whichever party both agrees with those issues AND places high priority on those issues.


47 posted on 08/31/2006 1:35:01 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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...random-seeming insertions of Bible verses into floor speeches came off as Tourette's syndrome for Democrats.

That is a jewel... LOL!

Aren't all Democrat speeches are like Tourette's syndrome??>

48 posted on 08/31/2006 1:52:40 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: CheyennePress
The day they drop the gay agenda, the ACLU, the political correctness, and the school authoritarianism is the day that they make some progress.

School authoritarianism - - like getting evolutionism off of educational welfare?

49 posted on 08/31/2006 1:55:12 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Rawlings
The DNC should ramp up that search. But the party's leaders also should remain calm. The Democrats' most productive activities on the religion front have taken place at the state level and in local campaigns. This work may not bear fruit nationally for a few years, but it's important to hang in there and keep funding it. Democrats also need to avoid the temptation to play preacher: One cringe-inducing "Praise Jeeeeezus!" from Howard Dean spoils the quiet faith of Democrats like Tim Kaine and Jennifer Granholm and Barack Obama. And they should shout from the mountaintops about Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid's plan to reduce abortion rates, talk to every evangelical who will listen about tackling global warming, and re-embrace the concept of the common good that once united religious and political progressives. Democrats, take those lights out from under your bushels.

Anyone know how hillary plans to reduce abortions? Is she having her HINO castrated?

50 posted on 08/31/2006 2:32:03 AM PDT by NYpeanut (gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "Why did you lie to me?")
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