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Student can wear Bush-mocking T-shirt: court
Herald Sun ^ | 31 August 2006

Posted on 08/30/2006 9:00:34 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

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To: Dianna
My 14 year old defends Islam. :::sigh:::

What are you doing about that?

101 posted on 08/31/2006 5:58:38 AM PDT by uptoolate (The U.N. will be the tool of the Anti-Christ)
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To: Just A Nobody
No, some of what you listed are today part of schools.

Dress codes are the norm, and many, many schools are using manditory uniforms.

There is zero tolerance at my children's school. When my son was beaten up by bullies, the boys were given three chances to reform their behavior. When this didn't work the principal sent home a letter recommending that the little brutes' punishment should be a paddling. The parents agreed, the students were paddled and they have never touched my son again.

My children's school recognizes two holidays during the school year, Christmas and Valentine's Day. They also study Martin Luther King historically (on his day) and how it relates to Georgia, Atlanta, and his father's church.

No student is allowed to carry a cellphone.

The student guidelines for behavior are also enforced while the children ride the school bus.

There are many good things going on in schools today. My children are expected to learn what you learned, what I learned and even more. The bar is set high for them!

Lockers were searched if and whenever the principle felt like it. You could not leave the school grounds during lunch without special written excuse from your parent.

If you were tardy a certain number of times, you got detention. If you were a smart mouth, you were sent to the principle's office and were usually given detention. Parents were notified of all of the above, which meant you were in more trouble at home.

We were taught history, geography, government, english, math, reading/literature, science and basic health/hygiene.

This you is true for my children, too.

102 posted on 08/31/2006 6:16:21 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

It starts with the parents. It is their responsibility to keep such a shirt out of their child's wardrobe.


103 posted on 08/31/2006 6:18:33 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: Aussie Dasher

wow no dress code in that school I see. We do not permit any items of dress that mention or show drugs.


104 posted on 08/31/2006 6:18:46 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: DuxFan4ever; pissant
The court was quite wrong. Schools are not free speech zones. The speech is not allowed to be disruptive to the learning environment.

Tinker v. Des Moines (1969) is considered the overriding precedent for school free speech cases. That case ruled that students do not "shed their constitutional rights when they enter the schoolhouse door" and that schools can only prohibit speech if they can show there is a "substantial" disruption. So on those grounds, the school would appear to have had no case against the kid, since I see no substantial disruption alleged.

However, there have been some limits placed on Tinker. Bethel v. Fraser (1986) ruled that lewd and vulgar language (but not political speech) could be limited by school administrators, since it is inconsistent with the "fundamental values of public school education." So the question here would have been whether the depiction of drug paraphernelia on the kid's shirt could plausibly be considered akin to lewd and vulgar language as also being inconsistent with those fundamental values.

105 posted on 08/31/2006 6:25:23 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: Aussie Dasher

Who paid for his lawyers?

This was an appeals court.


106 posted on 08/31/2006 6:26:10 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: BlackRazor

There have also been schools that enforce strict dress codes, even uniforms. There have been many that prohibit baggy pants, gang logos, underwear showing, boys wearing dresses, teachers in halter tops, "racist" logos, and of course patriotic things. Clothes is not speech, and schools have the obligation to have dress codes.


107 posted on 08/31/2006 7:39:15 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Dianna

My 14 year old defends Islam. :::sigh:::

****

Your child might take the time to view this exceptional computer slide show on today's version of anti=semitism which is creeping in to so many minds.

http://www.conceptwizard.com/pipeline_of_hatred.html

I highly recommend that every parent have their children view this production.


108 posted on 08/31/2006 8:20:56 AM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: pissant
There have also been schools that enforce strict dress codes, even uniforms. There have been many that prohibit baggy pants, gang logos, underwear showing, boys wearing dresses, teachers in halter tops, "racist" logos, and of course patriotic things. Clothes is not speech, and schools have the obligation to have dress codes.

Except that the Supreme Court has ruled that clothing can be and is worn to express ideas and opinions, and therefore is considered speech.

With regards to school uniforms, to my knowledge the Supreme Court has yet to address this issue. But the key point in many of these school speech cases is that the school must be "viewpoint neutral" in whatever speech limitations they impose. They cannot selectively target certain viewpoints.

The most recent federal case I know of that addressed school uniforms was a 2001 case in the Sixth Circuit (Canady v. Bossier Parish School Board). They ruled that "the school board's uniform policy will pass constitutional scrutiny if it furthers an important or substantial government interest; if the interest is unrelated to the suppression of student expression; and if the incidental restrictions on First Amendment activities are no more than is necessary to facilitate that interest".

109 posted on 08/31/2006 8:53:21 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: pissant

Would it be okay for a kid to wear an anti-Clinton shirt? Unless there's an overall dress code that forbids political speech, then the court was right.


110 posted on 08/31/2006 11:40:09 AM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: technochick99

It would be OK only if the school allowed such. The school said it was not allowed and the libs on the court disagreed. And as far as I'm concerned, the schools should be able to discern what is appropriate political speech and what is inflammatory. Let the teachers and PTA and school officials work it out. The courts have no business butting in.


111 posted on 08/31/2006 11:50:27 AM PDT by pissant
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