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Student can wear Bush-mocking T-shirt: court
Herald Sun ^ | 31 August 2006

Posted on 08/30/2006 9:00:34 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

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To: eeevil conservative
Awesome! I bet your son looks great in gitmo orange. ;*)

You may want to print this article for future reference.

51 posted on 08/30/2006 9:59:29 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: maine-iac7

Excellent idea!


52 posted on 08/30/2006 9:59:49 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Aussie Dasher

Disrupting the educational environment trumps free speech in schools. I can't believe this ruling can(nor will) stand.


53 posted on 08/30/2006 10:01:45 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: Just A Nobody
Congratulations; you have listed a number of rules that were common to schoolchildren then and are common to schoolchildren now. However, the have nothing to do with the legal issue in this case (and I have no idea what any of it has to do with abortion).

The issue is that the kid was being punished for the content on his t-shirt. If the school had a dress code that forbade all t-shirts, which public schools can and some do have, there would be no issue. But the argument is that the kid wouldn't have gotten in trouble if the shirt had had pictures of sunshine and lollipops; he got in trouble for expressing an offensive message, and government agents (public school employees) are bound by the Constitution not to selectively discriminate for or against any given message, even offensive ones. See the difference between your list of rules (which penalize behavior) and this case (which was an attempt to penalize content)?

All of which has nothing to do with the most important issue in this story, that being that this poor kid was raised by moonbats who dumped enough nonsense down this kid's throat that by age 12 he was permitted (if not forced) to wear clothing with stupid and offensive messages in public because those messages represented the parents' geriatric-hippie worldview.

54 posted on 08/30/2006 10:01:46 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Howlin

Ditto! What is scary is that some feel that a 12 y/o child has all these rights.


55 posted on 08/30/2006 10:02:41 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody

I caught a horrible cold and have been on the sofa watching TV most of last night and today.

I happened upon Spike Lee's "When the Leeves Broke."

I tell you this, from the lies that they are telling, we are lost as a country.

On part has Harry Belafonte talking about how he and a bunch of black leaders (Danny Glover) went to see old Hugo Chavez to see what HE can/would do for the blacks in America, you know, the people "Bush won't do anything for."

Right that moment, I felt like we are in a losing battle.


56 posted on 08/30/2006 10:05:37 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Turbopilot
But the argument is that the kid wouldn't have gotten in trouble if the shirt had had pictures of sunshine and lollipops; he got in trouble for expressing an offensive message, and government agents (public school employees) are bound by the Constitution not to selectively discriminate for or against any given message, even offensive ones.

Red herring. The issue is the depiction of illegal drugs and drug paraphenalia which schools have a right to ban. Could he have worn a t-shirt with an image of Monica getting down on Clinton? I say no, because the content being forbidden is not the political content, but the sexual content. In this case it is the drugs.

57 posted on 08/30/2006 10:06:15 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Turbopilot
If the school had a dress code that forbade all t-shirts, which public schools can and some do have, there would be no issue.

As I understand it the school has a policy that forbids the depiction of illegal drugs and drug paraphernalia.

58 posted on 08/30/2006 10:08:05 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Turbopilot
The court was right; the kid has a right to express even offensive and boorish opinions.

The court was quite wrong. Schools are not free speech zones. The speech is not allowed to be disruptive to the learning environment. The F-word or a racial slur on a shirt would be disruptive to the learning environment. So would this shirt.

59 posted on 08/30/2006 10:08:48 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: Turbopilot

BS Kids do not have 1st amendment rights at schools


60 posted on 08/30/2006 10:15:05 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Turbopilot
you have listed a number of rules that were common to schoolchildren then and are common to schoolchildren now.

Clearly, that is not the case. If it were, there would have been no lawsuit and no thread.

However, the have nothing to do with the legal issue in this case

The point was.....30 years ago, there would have been NO legal issue and NO case.

(and I have no idea what any of it has to do with abortion).

Nothing to do with abortion other than when our judicial tyrants granted abortion "rights" the country as a whole began to go downhill rapidly. Children that were granted the privilege of birth suddenly were given "rights" that up to then adults didn't have. The anti-war, free-love hippies of the late 60's/early 70's were behind the degeneration of our society.

Many of them are the leaders behind the anti-war, anarchist movement of today.

61 posted on 08/30/2006 10:15:14 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Howlin
Geeez Howlin....I hope you get very soon!

If you keep watching that trash you will have to be hospitalized for depression.

I feel like we are in a losing battle almost daily just reading FR. No one wants to fight the lies and will allow history to be written as pure fiction.

62 posted on 08/30/2006 10:20:52 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody
I feel like we are in a losing battle almost daily just reading FR. No one wants to fight the lies and will allow history to be written as pure fiction.

The worst part of FR to me now is the ones who are supposed to be on our side who are more than willing to hand this country over to the liberals to "teach the GOP a lesson."

63 posted on 08/30/2006 10:22:11 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
BTW, I was reading about you last night in Strategery.

Great job! In fact, hearing about y'all on the news may have been what led me to FR. ;*)

64 posted on 08/30/2006 10:23:36 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Howlin

Yes, that is worrisome. I doubt that if/when it comes down to it, they will do it. However, the GOP should start listening to the folks and get the message before it comes to that.


65 posted on 08/30/2006 10:28:59 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody

Funny how we find our way here, huh?

That was a great night.


66 posted on 08/30/2006 10:29:38 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Turbopilot
Would his free speech rights been upheld if his shirt said F*ck Hillary or Fags must die? Hmmmm? Free speech for kids is a load. They're not considered adults, they cannot vote nor refuse to go to school, nor a host of other things adults can do, or not do. This is insanity.
67 posted on 08/30/2006 10:30:05 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Just A Nobody

And I (GASP!) even had a paddling or 10!!! And I happened to turn out just fine-at 48 never have I even seen the inside of a jail cell. And I don't ever plan to.


68 posted on 08/30/2006 10:35:12 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (All skill is in vain when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of yer musket.)
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To: Howlin
That was a great night.

It sure sounds like it! Thank you all again from one grateful sKerry hater. ;*)

69 posted on 08/30/2006 11:07:38 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: snuffy smiff
See...rules and discipline do work! ;*)
70 posted on 08/30/2006 11:08:35 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Aussie Dasher


Meanwhile on the other side of the country, the 9th circuit rules against a tee shirt against Homosexuality.

When the left says "Free Speech", they don't mean for us....


71 posted on 08/30/2006 11:32:44 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Tzimisce

The left is known the world over for its double standards.


72 posted on 08/30/2006 11:34:00 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I bet having a shirt that says "I love Jesus" on it would be out of line, though.


73 posted on 08/30/2006 11:47:47 PM PDT by PatriotEdition (www.billykess.com)
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To: FreedomCalls

Wacko parents ..Gee , what a surprise.


74 posted on 08/30/2006 11:54:18 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: uptoolate

I'd love to contact a parent from that school and talk them into letting his kid wear a t shirt that mocked Klinton..Damn , that would be perfect ..What could they say ?


75 posted on 08/30/2006 11:56:17 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: FreedomCalls

lefty, lefty, bela-bela befty,
shingle-a mingle-a loof loof loof!


76 posted on 08/30/2006 11:58:12 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: Howlin

I would have tossed the TV through the window. I couldn't take watching that crap for 5 min .


77 posted on 08/30/2006 11:58:21 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Turbopilot
The only bright side I see is that he's just about at the age where he'll start to rebel, and since his parents appear to be as far out there as it gets, the only way he can rebel is to become an America-loving, pro-capitalist, preppy Reaganite conservative :-p

Unfortunately for FReeper parents, our kids become idiots even though they should know better. My 14 year old defends Islam. :::sigh:::

78 posted on 08/30/2006 11:58:33 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna

WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


79 posted on 08/30/2006 11:59:07 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Dianna
My 14 year old defends Islam.

Have him do a book report on the Koran

80 posted on 08/31/2006 12:00:49 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: JRios1968

The other 98% who think it "cool" would in turn prolly try to whoop their hineys. Herd of independents don'tcha know.


81 posted on 08/31/2006 12:02:39 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: Aussie Dasher

Okay, where is a Bill Clinton rape shirt?


82 posted on 08/31/2006 12:03:35 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Dianna
Unfortunately for FReeper parents, our kids become idiots even though they should know better. My 14 year old defends Islam. :::sigh:::

Here's a scene from a future Oval Office for him then as the future President an a few members of his cabinet take a break and watch an intern make her "presentation".

83 posted on 08/31/2006 12:05:31 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: doug from upland

Or even a "I did not have sex with that girl" shirt?


84 posted on 08/31/2006 12:06:42 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: sonic109
WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I should clarify. He thinks the terrorists are just a few bad apples (despite the pages long list I printed for him of Muslim attacks throughout the world).

Islam is a perfectly acceptable religion. There are six types of jihad and "only one" says anything about killing infidels (geez, mom!).

Profiling is evil, and hundreds of Muslims were killed in the US after 9-11 (he didn't take me up on the challenge to find more than 5 incidents in a population of what, 300 million people?).

He doesn't throw McVey at me, only because he don't remember Oklahoma City well enough. I get to hear about the Crusades.

He also claims to be a Buddhist. He is, at heart, a sensible and reasonable kid. I think he's mostly just trying to irritate me and separate from mom. I give him information but I don't make a huge big deal out of it. I don't want to push him further into it.

85 posted on 08/31/2006 12:13:24 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Aussie Dasher

86 posted on 08/31/2006 12:23:20 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Rawlings

You're assuming this twit has a mom.

I'm betting two daddies.


87 posted on 08/31/2006 1:22:31 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Aussie Dasher

I suggest Bush supporters (or even those who want to piss the Bush-haters off) wear shirts that support Bush.

I have 2 I wear often. One simply has a red 'W' in the upper left corner, the other is a green T with the messsage 'Go George' (as opposed to Go Green).

I get lots of comments of support, and a few quizzical comments on 'why would I wear that shirt?'.

I think the weird part about is those who voice comments of support do so under their breath, so to speak, and those who do not like the shirt are pretty vocal and seem to be offended by my support of the President.

I get the feeling that support for Bush is a 'dirty little secret' for many. It's probably more the silent majority's good manners than anything, but their muted responses usually catche me off guard.

I expect the loud expressions of disgust from the angry left.... but why so many timid, secretive whispers of support?


88 posted on 08/31/2006 1:39:01 AM PDT by Reform4Bush
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To: Screamname

Nice photo line up.


89 posted on 08/31/2006 4:38:12 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Too bad the little twerp does not live in Detroit. I think they are the first public school system in the country to require uniforms for all students.

Detroit Public Schools Dress Code

My daughter-in-law comes here from Canada to buy school uniforms for her kids.

90 posted on 08/31/2006 4:47:46 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 39-43)
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To: G Larry
Time to break out the Hitlary T-shirts and see how well this ruling works.

Yes, your kids can start with that shirt I've seen advertised that has a picture of Hillary with a circle-slash over her and the slogan "Re-defeat Communism 2008."

91 posted on 08/31/2006 4:55:00 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Going partly violently to the thing 24-7!)
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To: Just A Nobody; G Larry

That's the one! :-)


92 posted on 08/31/2006 4:55:58 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Going partly violently to the thing 24-7!)
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To: FreedomCalls

The kid. The twirp.

93 posted on 08/31/2006 4:56:36 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party, aka alQaeda, Western Division.)
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To: prairiebreeze

twirp with a smirk


94 posted on 08/31/2006 5:00:19 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: Howlin
The worst part of FR to me now is the ones who are supposed to be on our side who are more than willing to hand this country over to the liberals to "teach the GOP a lesson."

It's not just on FR. Rush had a substitute host recently who featured a guest (sorry, I didn't catch the name) who was expounding this very plan.

It sickened me to hear it and certainly was not up to Rush Limbaugh show standards, even for a substitute host. IMO.

95 posted on 08/31/2006 5:01:50 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party, aka alQaeda, Western Division.)
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To: m3d1um

We'll see who cares when kids start wearing shirts with the picture from post #49.


96 posted on 08/31/2006 5:01:52 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Doc, you're usually funny, but you're scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one.


97 posted on 08/31/2006 5:02:12 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Going partly violently to the thing 24-7!)
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To: Doctor Raoul; Screamname

Yep, nothing warms the cockles like deliberately associating someone we don't like with a murderer. What could be better? /s


98 posted on 08/31/2006 5:09:45 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Going partly violently to the thing 24-7!)
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To: FreedomCalls

"....... likes to ride his dirt bike and to read — especially MICHAEL MOORE'S BOOKS."


Oy!


99 posted on 08/31/2006 5:25:31 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Aussie Dasher
I wonder what would happen to a kid wearing a tee shirt that had something derogatory about X42? Something with his picture and a caption:

I got Monica on her knees and got a BJ in the Oral Orifice.
100 posted on 08/31/2006 5:31:15 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The media and the democrats are the biggest supporters of the terrorists.)
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