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Bust in Slay of Rudy Aide
New York Post ^ | August 31, 2006 | Philip Messing with Brian Hammacher

Posted on 08/31/2006 5:39:49 AM PDT by Liz

A chance encounter....helped cops nab a homeless drug addict now charged with killing an aide to former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani after a gay-sex romp...... Detectives were at a Manhattan employment agency looking for records on the suspect, Edwin Ramos, 26, when Ramos - who hadn't worked there in about a month - showed up.....to collect back pay.

Ramos, a drifter with a long history of drug arrests, made a call using a cellphone that belonged to Martin Barreto, 49, who had worked in the City Hall press office during the Giuliani administration.

Barreto's nude body was found Aug. 21 in the bedroom of the Greenwich Village apartment he shared with a cousin......the suspect stole Barreto's phone, computer, keys and some clothes - then sold the phone and laptop to buy drugs.

Cops said Ramos made statements implicating himself in the murder. "He said he met the guy while walking on the street.....They engaged in a conversation and then he was invited up." The body of the gay exec was discovered in his bed with lubricant and a condom next to him, officials said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: barreto; giuliani; perverts; roughtrade; wodlist
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1 posted on 08/31/2006 5:39:50 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

Rudy is real tight with the Gay crowd in NY.

(No pun intended on the word "tight")


2 posted on 08/31/2006 5:42:13 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: Liz

Bump for later


3 posted on 08/31/2006 5:43:36 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: no dems

Rudy is the Bill Clinton of the Republican party.


4 posted on 08/31/2006 5:44:38 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Liz

Is Rudy the new Mcgreevey?


5 posted on 08/31/2006 5:45:58 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: jjm2111
Is Rudy the new Mcgreevey?

Or the old J. Edgar Hoover?
6 posted on 08/31/2006 5:47:15 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: no dems

My best friend's son is gay. I see him often when he visits his Dad. Before she passed away, the love of my life's brother was gay. Guess I better not run for office.


7 posted on 08/31/2006 5:53:30 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Liz

Wonder what "civil rights" would be required to have prevented this?


9 posted on 08/31/2006 5:58:59 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Liz
A chance encounter....helped cops nab a homeless drug addict now charged with killing an aide to former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani after a gay-sex romp......

Move along now. This is just a safe, acceptable life-style choice that we should begin exposing our kids to as early as possible. /heavy sarcasm

10 posted on 08/31/2006 5:59:19 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Roccus
Dick Cheney has a gay daughter. Doesn't seem to have hampered his political career at all. :) It's interesting that the anti-Rudy obsessives here haven't much to say about Cheney's situation.
11 posted on 08/31/2006 5:59:55 AM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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To: Roccus

We all know and have friends who are gay. But, having a gay friend is different from having pictures of one's self in drag as Rudy did; pictures that have been made public, even here on this website, .

Don't be silly.


12 posted on 08/31/2006 6:00:21 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: veronica

Oh but Rudy is gay gay gay gay gay! He wore a dress in a satire comedy sketch - definitely gay and a cross dresser too! (/sarcasm)


13 posted on 08/31/2006 6:04:18 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: veronica

See my post #12.


14 posted on 08/31/2006 6:04:22 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: no dems
"But, having a gay friend is different from having pictures of one's self in drag as Rudy did; pictures that have been made public, even here on this website, ..."

But weren't those pics fron an SNL skit?? I mean, it's not like he's a drag queen.
15 posted on 08/31/2006 6:04:29 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: no dems
I guess I made a mistake on the other thread when I treated your attempt as character assassination as mere ignorance.

I wonder if Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis were cross dressers?


16 posted on 08/31/2006 6:06:44 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bush Doctrine- Old: Fight terrorists. New: Cease fire with terrorists.)
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To: areafiftyone
Oh but Rudy is gay gay gay gay gay! He wore a dress in a satire comedy sketch - definitely gay and a cross dresser too! (/sarcasm)

But how can that be, when he's the GOP Clinton, catting around on his wife with another woman??!!

17 posted on 08/31/2006 6:08:43 AM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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To: LIConFem
IT WAS STILL A DUMB THING TO DO FOR A GUY WHO WANTS TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

With the uninformed electorate today, all someone has to do is show them that picture and say: "Hey Bubba, you wanna fag fer yer Prezdint"?

One stupid "remark" caused George Allen to drop 10 points in the polls in a week's time. In this age, you can't afford to do stupid things.
18 posted on 08/31/2006 6:09:15 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: no dems

Do you have any idea of the context of that picture?


19 posted on 08/31/2006 6:09:42 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Sabramerican

Heh!! :)


20 posted on 08/31/2006 6:09:48 AM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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To: Sabramerican

See my Post #18


21 posted on 08/31/2006 6:10:16 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: Roccus

See Post #18


22 posted on 08/31/2006 6:10:50 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: no dems

If Allen had said,"Yeah I said it and meant it! Whatchya gonna do about it?" rather than appoligize 200 times, he'd have gone UP 10 pts!


23 posted on 08/31/2006 6:12:25 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

True!


24 posted on 08/31/2006 6:13:23 AM PDT by no dems ("25 homicides a day committed by Illegals" Ted Poe (R-TX) Houston Hearings 8/16/06)
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To: no dems

He was totally appropriate for the venue.

What if he had dressed as a Mafia Don?

Maybe it wouldn't be what I would choose, but considering his image, playing against type with that dress up made sense.

The point remains. You know the context but are attempting to imply something defamatory.

You should never run for office as you have reveled YOUR character.


25 posted on 08/31/2006 6:15:04 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bush Doctrine- Old: Fight terrorists. New: Cease fire with terrorists.)
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To: no dems

Apples and oranges. George Allen doesn't have a national profile yet. He's being defined now, so a remark that can be made to seem racist is much more serious than a man WHO HAS ESTABLISHED HIS TOUGH GUY IMAGE dressing up as a spoof. Rudy won't be harmed by those photos because he's a known entity.


26 posted on 08/31/2006 6:15:23 AM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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To: Roccus
Before she passed away, the love of my life's brother was gay.

So he turned straight after his sister passed? How'd that happen?
27 posted on 08/31/2006 6:16:27 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: LIConFem; no dems; veronica

Not, SNL. Every year the NYC mayors office and the press have a dinner at which the folks from the mayors office provide comic entertainment. It was nothing more than a comedy sketch. Boy, I hope there are no pictures left of the Halloween party where I appeared as Raggedy Anne and my girlfriend as Andy.


28 posted on 08/31/2006 6:17:41 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Rats! I was gonna ask you to post 'em. ;)


29 posted on 08/31/2006 6:18:25 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: Xenalyte

Heh, heh. After I hit post, the grammar hit me.

(smacking forehead with mouse)


30 posted on 08/31/2006 6:20:30 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: no dems

"Real tight," you say?

Well, that's a relief.

I commend you for not using terms like "point of entry" "behind" or "wanna come up to my pad for a Big Mac" on gay threads.


31 posted on 08/31/2006 6:22:13 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Roccus
"Not, SNL. Every year the NYC mayors office and the press have a dinner..."

I stand corrected. I knew it was some kind of comedy skit, though, and not what has been implied here in this thread.
32 posted on 08/31/2006 6:24:09 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: Xenalyte
Trust me. It was not a pretty picture although 'Andy' was quite fetching. (batting lashes)
33 posted on 08/31/2006 6:24:54 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Just mythoughts

Has anyone seen killer Ramos' "citizenship" papers?

No?

I didn't think so.


34 posted on 08/31/2006 6:25:33 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Liz

Rudy is too pro this and pro that.


35 posted on 08/31/2006 6:26:57 AM PDT by badpacifist (New bumper sticker.....Stop the suffrage of uninformed voters)
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To: veronica
Dick Cheney has a gay daughter. Doesn't seem to have hampered his political career at all. :) It's interesting that the anti-Rudy obsessives here haven't much to say about Cheney's situation.

Cheney doesn't advocate a pervert friendly public policy either. The pro-Julie-Annie obsessives haven't much to say about that...

36 posted on 08/31/2006 6:29:22 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Liz

That's a pretty nice shirt for a "homeless drifter". Is that Ralph Lauren?


37 posted on 08/31/2006 6:33:10 AM PDT by 12B
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To: LIConFem; no dems; veronica
The press at city hall hated Giuliani, very much on a par with the press hatred of W. At the time of the dinner, the press had been all over him as being insensitive to gays. I think it was because of the police response to some of the Act Up demonstrations at St. Patrick's Cathedral. Anyway, the idea to come out in drag was very much an 'in your face' slap at the press.
38 posted on 08/31/2006 6:33:23 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: veronica

The Clown Brigade is ready to start Impeachment Proceedings against Cheney at any time I presume?


39 posted on 08/31/2006 6:34:52 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: veronica
The anti Rudy crowd will move to attacking Romney next.

Seems that personal destruction is alive and well here too.

40 posted on 08/31/2006 6:34:58 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: LIConFem
Stop confusing the issue of gay bashing and Rudy being able to have some fun at his own expense.

Having an aide who is gay is high crime, it would seem.

41 posted on 08/31/2006 6:36:17 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: jjm2111; no dems; Reagan Man; Spiff; jla
Is Rudy the new McGreevey?......... Or the old J. Edgar Hoover?

Lotsa versimilitude there, for sure. Cross dressing.....and Giuliani has lots of connections to foreigners. Read this:

December 14, 1999

FBI Tracked Alleged Russian Mob Ties of Giuliani Campaign Supporter

By Knut Royce, The Center for Public Integrity

WASHINGTON, December 14, 1999 — The Center for Public Integrity is investigating how billions of dollars of allegedly corrupted money from the former Soviet Union have found a haven in the United States, despite strict anti-laundering laws. Last month, the Center reported how a small San Francisco bank became a conduit for questionable funds as it, like many other banks around the country, aggressively pursued the cash from the former Soviet Bloc.

Today the Center reports on how political campaigns, also aggressively chasing after cash, end up with equally questionable contributions as suspected Russian organized crime figures seek to move into the U.S. political mainstream In future articles, the Center will show how the failure to sift the good money from bad is being replayed all over America.

A prominent commodities trader who acknowledges a business history with a reputed Soviet Bloc crime figure and a notorious arms dealer has been one of (then) New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's top campaign supporters. Giuliani is expected to be the Republican candidate next year for a U.S. Senate seat from New York.

Commodities trader Semyon (Sam) Kislin and his family also lavished thousands of dollars in contributions to Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer, to the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign, to former Republican Sen. Alfonse D'Amato and to a number of state and city politicians. Kislin sits on the New York City Economic Development Board. ---SNIP--

LONG READ---rest here:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:hEltFDTB_aYJ:www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx%3Faid%3D323

42 posted on 08/31/2006 6:36:25 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Roccus

IIRC, he lip synched the song "New York, New York" to the Liza Manelli recording. She also was not a fan of his.


43 posted on 08/31/2006 6:37:38 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: OldFriend
"Stop confusing the issue of gay bashing and Rudy being able to have some fun at his own expense."

Are you sure you sent that to the right person?
44 posted on 08/31/2006 6:37:41 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: Liz; scripter; little jeremiah
Bust in Slay of Rudy Aide

We slay dragons. We kill or murder people.

It doesn't matter if the victim was gay. It's a murder or a killing, not a "slaying."

Homosexuals are people. They are not dragons. We don't need a special word for when they are killed.

Shalom.

45 posted on 08/31/2006 6:38:10 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: LIConFem

Me thinks he forgot the /s tag.


46 posted on 08/31/2006 6:39:39 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: LIConFem

LOL.......did I need the sarcasm tag!


47 posted on 08/31/2006 6:40:56 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Liz

Well obviously he had papers he got caught using stolen phone in an attempt to collect back wages. The 'law' means whatever those who sit in the seat of 'law' say it means.


48 posted on 08/31/2006 6:41:08 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: veronica
But how can that be, when he's the GOP Clinton, catting around on his wife with another woman??!!

GASP!! That tooo?? SmileyCentral.com

49 posted on 08/31/2006 6:42:18 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: no dems
One stupid "remark" caused George Allen to drop 10 points in the polls in a week's time. In this age, you can't afford to do stupid things.

Well, the stupid "remark" cost him, but the stupid handling of the remark cost him much more.

Had he said, "Hey, my oponent sent someone who was as easy to spot as if he'd been wearing a clown costume to my campaign event and I spotted him. What was I supposed to call him, the love of my life?

The name wasn't a racial slur, profanity, or obscenity, so move on."

Instead he gave several botched apologies. It's the handling that made people wonder if he was up for high office, IMHO.

Shalom.

50 posted on 08/31/2006 6:42:34 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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