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Rumsfeld: Bush critics similar to Nazi appeasers
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/31/06 | Julian E. Barnes

Posted on 08/31/2006 7:19:10 AM PDT by XR7

SALT LAKE CITY — Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld compared critics of the Bush administration to those who sought to appease the Nazis before World War II, warning Tuesday that the United States is confronting "a new type of fascism."

Rumsfeld, speaking before the American Legion convention, delivered some of his most explicit and extended attacks yet on the administration's critics, provoking criticism from furious Democrats who accused him of "campaigning on fear."

By comparing U.S. foreign policy with World War II and the Cold War, Rumsfeld sought to portray skeptics of Bush's foreign policy as being on the wrong side of history. Rumsfeld again ridiculed U.S. officials who, before World War II, wished to negotiate with Adolf Hitler.

"I recount that history because, once again, we face similar challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism," Rumsfeld said. "But some seem not to have learned history's lessons."

He continued: "Can we truly afford to believe that, somehow or some way, vicious extremists could be appeased?"

His use of the word "appease" was particularly notable, clearly tying administration critics to the failed efforts of the pre-Churchill British government to mollify Hitler.

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"The struggle we are in is too important — the consequences too severe — to have the luxury of returning to the 'blame America first' mentality," Rumsfeld told the American Legion. "Can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America — not the enemy — is the real source of the world's troubles?"

[snip]

Rumsfeld's speech drew sharp complaints from Democrats.

"It's a political rant to cover up his incompetence," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I.

[snip]

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., renewed his call for Rumsfeld to be replaced.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: rummy
Bush critics similar to Nazi appeasers

And the Commie appeasers that came after them.

Anyway, Rumsfeld's statement is so true.
At least Rummy has the guts to say it.

1 posted on 08/31/2006 7:19:10 AM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

Rumsfeld/Bolton '08!!!

I'm THERE, anybody else?


2 posted on 08/31/2006 7:19:58 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: XR7
The Democrats know that is their weakness: their indifference to our national security.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

3 posted on 08/31/2006 7:21:45 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: XR7

Rumsfeld says what so many Americans, even those who aren't hardcore Republicans, suspect, though they're afraid to really think about it. American's don't like to think such things, it's like calling someone a fascist. Some on the far left and right toss off such labels casually; most Americans don't. But Dems have to be taught that two can play the hateful rhetoric game, and if I had a dime for every dem who called Bush a Nazi I'd be rich.


4 posted on 08/31/2006 7:21:56 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: XR7

That's right Rummy, time to take the gloves off and call a spade a spade.


5 posted on 08/31/2006 7:22:01 AM PDT by JerseyDvl ("If you attack Americans, we'll defend your right to do it."- The Democrat Party)
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To: XR7
Interesting isn't it that the appears are first in line accusing President Bush and his administration of being "nazi-like". Some days it is just surreal to follow the news.
6 posted on 08/31/2006 7:22:43 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: XR7

As usual, Rumsfeld is right.


7 posted on 08/31/2006 7:23:22 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: mkjessup
"Rumsfeld/Bolton '08!!! "

Makes a hell of a lot more sense then McCain, Guiliani, Hagel, and Frist

8 posted on 08/31/2006 7:25:22 AM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: XR7
The left is just upset because someone saw them for what they really are and had the intestinal fortitude to publicly say it.

I'll go further and not only question the left's patriotism, but their true allegiances. From their actions and words, I am convinced they activly support the terrorists in Iraq and other places. I'll use the photos from http://www.zombietime.com as my "Exhibit A" and can keep piling on the evidence from there.

There, I said it too.

9 posted on 08/31/2006 7:25:48 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: XR7

One of the most powerful legislators on the planet is a fascist appeaser, and a flaming traitor in my opinion.

10 posted on 08/31/2006 7:27:58 AM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: mkjessup

Dream team...


11 posted on 08/31/2006 7:29:21 AM PDT by Edgerunner (The greatest impediment to world peace is the UN and the Peaceniks)
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To: lormand

… also a crook.


12 posted on 08/31/2006 7:31:33 AM PDT by auboy
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To: lormand

He killed the Patriot Act. (He thought) What a Looooooooser.


13 posted on 08/31/2006 7:32:09 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: mortal19440
And they all cheered about it. Sick.
14 posted on 08/31/2006 7:33:23 AM PDT by yobid
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To: mkjessup
Rumsfeld/Bolton '08!!!

Works for me!

15 posted on 08/31/2006 7:33:38 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: XR7

Rumsfeld is being overly generous again.


16 posted on 08/31/2006 7:34:41 AM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: XR7

Compairing Bush critics to Nazi appeasers isn't nearly as harsh as compairing Bush to a Nazi, like the leftists love to do.


17 posted on 08/31/2006 7:35:04 AM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: XR7
appeasers

Isn't Bush the guy who brokered the UN deal that sold Israel down the river recently?

Who is the appeaser?

18 posted on 08/31/2006 7:35:09 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: mortal19440
If that is not a campaign ad against him, then I don't know what is.
19 posted on 08/31/2006 7:35:16 AM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: Rummyfan
How about Rumsfeld-Honore 08'

Their bumber sticker could be:

"Don't vote for Stupid"

20 posted on 08/31/2006 7:37:31 AM PDT by taildragger (They call themselves Liberal Democrats, I call them Collaborators.)
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To: XR7
furious Democrats who accused him of "campaigning on fear."

Nothing wrong with campaigning on fear

We ought to be afraid otherwise we wouldn't have gone to war
21 posted on 08/31/2006 7:39:20 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: XR7

22 posted on 08/31/2006 7:40:29 AM PDT by cyberaxe (((.....does this mean I'm kewl now?.....)))
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To: XR7

Peace In Our Time

23 posted on 08/31/2006 7:47:53 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: lormand

"One of the most powerful legislators on the planet is a fascist appeaser, and a flaming traitor in my opinion."

Go here for some more info on Reid's dealing in Nevada.
http://gsting.blogspot.com

Rummy has forced Reid into the bind of having to make statements of the form [Rummy is evil for accusing us of being cut and run appeasers]. Notice that Reid et. al. are forced to repeat the allegation that they are appeasers to defend themselves - but this only highlights that they are appeasers.


24 posted on 08/31/2006 7:49:17 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
"Notice that Reid et. al. are forced to repeat the allegation that they are appeasers to defend themselves - but this only highlights that they are appeasers."

Obviously a devious ploy by that evil chimp's puppet master, Karl Rove.

25 posted on 08/31/2006 7:56:35 AM PDT by lormand (Nuke the Islamic States, or kiss your @55 goodbye)
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To: mkjessup

I'd vote for Rumsfeld; he's NOT too old, he's brilliant, and the libs hate him...PERFECT MAN!


26 posted on 08/31/2006 7:56:36 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: mkjessup

Oh yeah.....I'm there!

There is a very good blog about viral marketing here.....
http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/2006/02/viral-marketing-in-political-game.html#links

The demonRATS need to be stopped and Rummy is a great place to start.


27 posted on 08/31/2006 7:57:31 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: XR7
""I recount this history because once again we face similar challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism," he said.

"Can we truly afford to believe that somehow, some way, vicious extremists can be appeased?" he asked.

The answer to the question is yes. The Democrats want to talk to the terrorists. Or, think of the number 444.

28 posted on 08/31/2006 7:59:17 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: mkjessup

Sound good to me to - Yes


29 posted on 08/31/2006 8:02:24 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: XR7

There's an excellent analysis of the lying AP article here:

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=4496


30 posted on 08/31/2006 8:34:29 AM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: mkjessup

I'll support that...rto


31 posted on 08/31/2006 9:42:17 AM PDT by visitor
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To: lormand

Rumsfeld/Bolton....count me in...if only in my dreams...


32 posted on 08/31/2006 1:22:06 PM PDT by Roamin53 (World War III started on Bill Clinton's watch....he just wasn't sure which side he was on!)
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To: XR7

I think a lot of them are closer to NAZIs than to NAZI appeasers.


33 posted on 08/31/2006 1:31:14 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: XR7

Bring it on, Dingy Harry
34 posted on 08/31/2006 1:46:11 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: XR7

Maybe Rumsfield should be our next Commander in Chief.


35 posted on 08/31/2006 1:49:34 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: TET1968
>Maybe Rumsfield should be our next Commander in Chief

Just to be fair, first
Rumsfield and Hillary should
have a no-holds-barred

octagon contest
and the winner of that match
should be our new Prez.

36 posted on 08/31/2006 1:54:19 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: XR7
"It's a political rant to cover up his incompetence," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I.

Really! What did Jack Reed say about the liberal fascists who cut the eye out of a girl because she was a fan of AC/DC?

I guess Reed would say it was only an innocent protest against consevative bands which is "patriotic".

37 posted on 08/31/2006 1:57:35 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: XR7

I don't think that Rumsfeld mentioned Bush critics. It seems to me, he spoke of the critics of the war in Iraq.

A-ha, I was right! From WSJ - Best of the Web:

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If you look at Rumsfeld's speech, it turns out that the secretary isn't being partisan at all:

In the decades before World War II, a great many argued that the fascist threat was exaggerated--or that it was someone else's problem. Some nations tried to negotiate a separate peace--even as the enemy made its deadly ambitions crystal clear. It was, as Churchill observed, a bit like feeding a crocodile, hoping it would eat you last.

There was a strange innocence in views of the world. Someone recently recalled one U.S. Senator's reaction in September 1939, upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland to start World War II. He exclaimed: "Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided."

Think of that!

I recount this history because once again we face the same kind of challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism. Today, another enemy--a different kind of enemy--has also made clear its intentions--in places like New York, Washington, D.C., Bali, London, Madrid, and Moscow. But it is apparent that many have still not learned history's lessons.

We need to face the following questions:

* With the growing lethality and availability of weapons, can we truly afford to believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased?

* Can we really continue to think that free countries can negotiate a separate peace with terrorists?

* Can we truly afford the luxury of pretending that the threats today are simply "law enforcement" problems, rather than fundamentally different threats, requiring fundamentally different approaches?

* And can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America--not the enemy--is the real source of the world's trouble?

These are central questions of our time. And we must face them. . . .

But this is still--even in 2006--not well recognized or fully understood. It seems that in some quarters there is more of a focus on dividing our country, than acting with unity against the gathering threats.

We find ourselves in a strange time:

* When a database search of America's leading newspapers turns up 10 times as many mentions of one of the soldiers at Abu Ghraib who were punished for misconduct, than mentions of Sergeant First Class Paul Ray Smith, the first recipient of the Medal of Honor in the Global War on Terror;

* When a senior editor at Newsweek disparagingly refers to the brave volunteers in our Armed Forces as a "mercenary army";

* When the former head of CNN accuses the American military of deliberately targeting journalists and the former CNN Baghdad bureau chief admits he concealed reports of Saddam Hussein's crimes when he was in power so CNN could stay in Iraq[*]; and

* It is a time when Amnesty International disgracefully refers to the military facility at Guantanamo Bay, which holds terrorists who have vowed to kill Americans and which is arguably the best run and most scrutinized detention facility in the history of warfare, as "the gulag of our times."

Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and distortions being told about our troops and about our country.

The struggle we are in is too important--the consequences too severe--to have the luxury of returning to the old mentality of "Blame America First."

Rumsfeld says nothing about the administration's "political enemies." He does not mention the Democrats, and the only American politician to whom he so much as alludes is a long-dead Republican, Sen. William Borah. He does criticize the media (specifically Newsweek and CNN) and Amnesty International for anti-American calumnies, and he takes vigorous issue with the mindset that, as he puts it, "somehow vicious extremists can be appeased."

Tellingly, Reid raises no objections to the substance of Rumsfeld's speech. It may be that he agrees with everything the secretary says and is merely playing politics with terrorism. That is the charitable interpretation of his comments. The uncharitable one is that the man who hopes to lead a legislative majority actually disagrees with what Rumsfeld says--in other words, that Harry Reid believes terrorists can be appeased.

* Note: Rumsfeld errs in attributing this adm


38 posted on 08/31/2006 2:01:51 PM PDT by Eva
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To: marsh_of_mists

Rumsfeld never even mentioned Bush critics, the left simply saw themselves in the Rumsfeld words. Rumsfeld hit too close to home and made them more than a little uncomfortable. The reaction to his words can be seen in some of the articles and remarks that were made today. The today show had Russert and Lauer saying that they couldn't find a single Democrat that had voted to pull funding for the war. I think that Pelosi made some similar statement. So, the Democrats are now either playing word games, or truly vascillating on where they stand on the war in Iraq.


39 posted on 08/31/2006 4:20:29 PM PDT by Eva
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To: taildragger

Rummy's too old. Turn it around.


40 posted on 08/31/2006 4:22:48 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: nonliberal

The ones who sold Israel down the river was its premier, defence minister and head of the military. The last was a pilot who tried to go after guerillas with jets.


41 posted on 08/31/2006 4:25:00 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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