They are growing grapes there now so it does not need to be a lot warmer than today.
Posted on 08/31/2006 5:13:46 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
Not so long ago, civilization learned that it was no match for just a few degrees drop in temperature. Scientists call it the Little Ice Age--but its impact was anything but small. From 1300 to 1850, a period of cataclysmic cold caused havoc. It froze Viking colonists in Greenland, accelerated the Black Death in Europe, decimated the Spanish Armada, and helped trigger the French Revolution. The Little Ice Age reshaped the world in ways that now seem the stuff of fantasy--New York Harbor froze and people walked from Manhattan to Staten Island, Eskimos sailed kayaks as far south as Scotland, and two feet of snow fell on New England in June and July during "the Year Without a Summer". Could another catastrophic cold snap strike in the 21st century? Leading climatologists offer the latest theories, and scholars and historians recreate the history that could be a glimpse of things to come. Face the cold, hard truth of the past--an era that may be a window to our future.
This show is on the tube right now. Very interesting plus it shows just how dopey Al Gore's "documentary" is.
With 3 weeks of summer left, it was 40 in Boise this morning and 19 in Stanley.
That's ok. On one of the "global warming" shows on Discovery or National Geopraphic they talk about rising sea levels from all that melting ice and then a few minutes later they had some Australian geologist talking about some reef creature and he points to an ancient bed on dry land and states that some thousands years back that these were once under water. So apparently sea levels need to rise about 3 - 4 meters to get back over the top of that ancient bed while "scientists" today are concerned over changes in millimeters. Go figure.
This program is showing how lousy life was when it was cooler. So should we be CELEBRATING that things have warmed up?
It's a good show until the end when they say that man made global warming could bring about another ice age.
Unless it was continental plate tectonics that pushed it up out of the water.
-PJ
So warming will make us colder????
Yeah, that is the conclusion of the show but you won't see it until near the end.
Ping
In the year ensuing, 19 May, 1535, he began his second voyage with three small vessels, and, steering westward along the coast of Labrador, entered a small bay opposite the island of Anticosti, which he called the bay of St. Lawrence. Ile proceeded cautiously up the river, past the Saguenay and Cape Tour-mente, and anchored off a wooded and vine-clad island ; he called it, on account of the rich clusters of grapes
That's the traditional place to have a conclusion.
;->
So I can cool down my home by turning on my heaters????
I think grapes also grew in England years ago.
Jacques Cartier also landed and planted a cross at present day Gaspe ... at the eastern tip of the Gaspe Peninsula. He called the waters in the immediate area Le Bai de Chaleur ... translated, the Bay of Warmth, or warm waters.
That didn't come out quite the way I planned. LOL!
Warming, cooling, we're all gonna die unless we turn over the entire economy to the Ecos' totalitarian ministrations. This is just as much a bid to take over the world as is the Islamic onslaught but this one is Communists.
I'm watching it for the 3-4 time. I remember my grandparents talking about their parents and grandparents talking about how cold 'it used to be.'
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Same here. I remember the old folks talking about it too.
Personally, I don't give a hoot about any theories regarding where our climate is going.
A-None of us are going to be around to see any changes.
B-There ain't a damn thing anyone could do about it anyway, even if it is accurate. It is highly unlikely any predictions about what will happen with the climate 150 years from now will be accurate. So what if they are. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
First time in at least 4 or 5 mos. I haven't had to open my window at night.
That was actually due to the eruption of Tambora in Indonesia.
Didn't the history channel just run a documentary episode about how we will all burn to death in the new global warming world?
or
July 1609I can assure you these mountains today never have snow on them even in June much less July.Continuing our course over this lake on the western side, I noticed, while observing the country, some very high mountains on the eastern side, on top of which there was snow.
The Spanish conquistadors also wrote about the cold frosty mornings in Mexico, in the summer.
They are growing grapes there now so it does not need to be a lot warmer than today.
Then their tune changed. Global warming could be attributed to man's actions. Something mankind did could be funded, studied, funded, legislated, funded, and studied some more. Hmmm.
And the big bad CO2 levels? What none of the chicken-littles will tell you is that even if mankind stopped all CO2 emissions - a 100% reduction in our output... It would result in a less than 2% drop in CO2 dumped into the atmosphere yearly. Yep, mother nature accounts for 98%+ of the CO2. Between good years and bad years (eg. think volcanoes) human contributions to CO2 are lost in the noise.
Another example of how the climate alarmists are not backed up with real science? Take the melting of the glaciers. Google "How many glaciers in the world" and all you'll get are a bunch of alarmist links about "many" glaciers melting. Yet even though there are literally thousands (over 10K IIRC) of glaciers, less then 200 have been scientifically studied. How in the hell can they call themselves serious scientists and draw such sweeping conclusions when they have such a small sample? I know all about "statistical methods" - math-speak for numbers to lie for you.
I'm not worried about global warming, nor an ice age. I'm worried about being over-run by flaming idiots spouting sensational garbage.
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Here is the theory: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm
In quick summary, if enough cold, fresh water coming from the melting polar ice caps and the melting glaciers of Greenland flows into the northern Atlantic, it will shut down the Gulf Stream, which keeps Europe and northeastern North America warm. The worst-case scenario would be a full-blown return of the last ice age - in a period as short as 2 to 3 years from its onset - and the mid-case scenario would be a period like the "little ice age" of a few centuries ago that disrupted worldwide weather patterns leading to extremely harsh winters, droughts, worldwide desertification, crop failures, and wars around the world.
I thought it was Krakatoa - but your'e right. Here's added info. i thought the 1991 reference was interesting! (That never seems to come up in the MSM treatment).
The June 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo was global. Slightly cooler than usual temperatures recorded worldwide and the brilliant sunsets and sunrises have been attributed to this eruption that sent fine ash and gases high into the stratosphere, forming a large volcanic cloud that drifted around the world. The sulfur dioxide (SO2) in this cloud -- about 22 million tons -- combined with water to form droplets of sulfuric acid, blocking some of the sunlight from reaching the Earth and thereby cooling temperatures in some regions by as much as 0.5 degrees °C. An eruption the size of Mount Pinatubo could affect the weather for a few years.
A similar phenomenon occurred in April of 1815 with the cataclysmic eruption of Tambora Volcano in Indonesia, the most powerful eruption in recorded history. Tambora's volcanic cloud lowered global temperatures by as much as 3 degrees °C. Even a year after the eruption, most of the northern hemisphere experienced sharply cooler temperatures during the summer months. In parts of Europe and in North America, 1816 was known as "the year without a summer."
From 1300 to 1850, a period of cataclysmic cold caused havoc. It froze Viking colonists in Greenland, accelerated the Black Death in Europe, etc., etc ...
The original point in the article is highlighted above ... I'm taking exception to the premise there was a 'mini-ice age' underway at the time. Not so ... at least based on the historical accounts I'm reading.
According to the global warming experts there was no little ice age, we have had constant temperatures for over 2000 years prior to 1900. The little ice age is a figment of our imagination. Those poor folks that froze their butts off were really warm.
According to ABC mentioning facts like that are equivalent to denying the Holocaust.
Yes, you would expect that question to be answered by the program and when I asked I got no response from the TV. However, I doubt that would be the case with the Australian plate.
Good book, BUMP.
There was a Little Ice Age. Of course, we can only go by the written accounts of how much colder it was, including the accounts of polar bear attacks in Iceland (the bears crossed the frozen Atlantic from Greenland); by the abandoned farmsteads at higher altitudes and higher latitudes than are viable today; by the drop in sealevel after the Medieval Warming period...
And wild grapes survive where cultivated varieties won't.
Just another leftist website, which is appropriate, because global warming is political in origin and sustained by politics -- and it has no scientific basis.
During the Roman warming period, grapes were cultivated in Britain. But the Roman cooling came on not too long after its conquest by Claudius.
Thanks, I wholeheartedly agree. The weird part is, its author seems to support the New Lysenkoism (that humans are the cause of climate change), but everything in the book says otherwise. That's a consequence of the reaction to one of his previous books, I suppose.
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I believe I read that book too, but you are right about the contradictory nature of the author's prior work and commentary vs. Little Ice Age.
My wife picked that book out for me.
I seldom go to the library anymore, she has such a great record for picking out books I will absolutely love.
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