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End of an Affair [Plame]
Washington Post ^ | September 1, 2006

Posted on 08/31/2006 10:08:00 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Edited on 09/01/2006 5:56:51 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: MJY1288

Depose them all and let's see who lies first.


51 posted on 08/31/2006 10:45:10 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
It is quite hilarious that anyone here would believe reporters over Libby, who is a lawyer and works for the VP.

As if he would lie about what he said to journalists knowing those journalists hate him, his party, his boss, his President, and are antiwar liberals.
52 posted on 08/31/2006 10:46:30 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: West Coast Conservative

"..our oft-stated belief that far too much attention and debate in Washington has been devoted to her story and that of her husband.."

How charitable of the Washing Compost to take this position. No doubt, lacking pertinent facts, they held back in condemnations of the Administration; does anyone know if they might have published one, two or even a couple more articles aimed at the Administration's heart?


53 posted on 08/31/2006 10:46:41 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Howlin
I started to read it, then I scrolled up and down looking for the author thinking it must have been an op-ed :)
54 posted on 08/31/2006 10:47:04 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Torie

the entire GJ was a perjury trap - but only for Libby and Rove.


55 posted on 08/31/2006 10:47:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: roses of sharon

That's what I'm thinking.


56 posted on 08/31/2006 10:47:36 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Dolphy

I did the exact same thing! :-)


57 posted on 08/31/2006 10:47:51 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Judging from how this whole deal has been handled, my guess is that it would come down to who is taking the deposition :-)

Sad BUT true

58 posted on 08/31/2006 10:47:53 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: demlosers

As I recall, Libby told Fitzgerald/grand jury that he had talked to Russert. Russert denied it in a phone 'interview' w/Fitzgerald sans taking an oath to tell the truth, and Fitzgerald took Russert's uncorroborated word over Libby's assertion under oath. My question: who lied?


59 posted on 08/31/2006 10:48:23 PM PDT by Carolinamom (This is no time to go wobbly. - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Grampa Dave
WaPo upchuck.



Create the story.....build the lead.....milk the sources till they bleed.....Headlines ....deadlines.....Run......Run.....Oh sh*t!......the Truth..
60 posted on 08/31/2006 10:49:16 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Billthedrill

Boris and Natasha.

61 posted on 08/31/2006 10:49:31 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: Torie
Scooter was deposed, and allegedly lied about what he said to three reporters, per their testimony.

But can Fitzgerald prove it? Can he prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby willfully lied and can Fitzgerald provide a plausable Libby motive to the jury. Is Fitzgerald taking the word of reporter(s) over Libby's testimony because he want to believe it without any real proof? A he said she said scenario?

62 posted on 08/31/2006 10:49:51 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: West Coast Conservative

President Bush should pardon Scooter Libby now and save him from further legal expenses. He should also explain at a press conference that Fitzpatrick should have never allowed this investigation to continue after he knew Armitage was the "leaker". Then he should pardon Armitage, Fitzpatrick and Colin Powell to imply that they may have been the real law breakers in this preposterous investigation. They all certainly wronged Scooter Libby.


63 posted on 08/31/2006 10:49:51 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: MJY1288

I'm going to bed with a smile on my face, thinking about how humiliating this article is going to be when Joe and Val find it on their doorsteps in a few hours.

Ah, life is good.


64 posted on 08/31/2006 10:49:53 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: oceanview

You are exactly correct, there are some ruthless people in DC.

Paybacks from Rove and Libby will be a bitch.


65 posted on 08/31/2006 10:50:09 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Howlin

Good Night, I'll be smiling too :-)


66 posted on 08/31/2006 10:50:40 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Can't believe the Washington Post wrote that. Guess this "story" is dead now.

That was my first reaction when I clicked on the thread. Talk about a jaw dropper!

Of course, when you click the link to read the whole editorial, the Washington Post briefly reverts to form as it goes on to characterize Cheney's and Libby's efforts as trying to "discredit" Wilson and in the process being "careless with classified information".

But then the Washington Post ends the editorial with this incredible bombshell of a conclusion (a conclusion you would never see in the scumbag New York Times in a million years):

"Nevertheless, it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming -- falsely, as it turned out -- that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush's closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy. It's unfortunate that so many people took him seriously."

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Wow....!

67 posted on 08/31/2006 10:51:19 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MJY1288

I ain't going yet; the storm is just getting to me and I won't be able to sleep with all this crap hitting my roof!


68 posted on 08/31/2006 10:52:00 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin; MJY1288; onyx; nopardons; ohioWfan; SE Mom; All
Holy God ... the world is ending!! WaPo? You know .. you just know they would choke first before admitting this unless they knew the facts were undeniable.

Hope you all got to see Brit publicly slam Armitage, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY >>>>> bluntly nail COLIN POWELL, tonight. Thank you, Brit. The world now knows what we've known about these self-absorbed operators.

So when does Fitzie give up the ghost? He was had. The Rats and MSM got what they wanted: they sullied decent, innocent folks, in a time of war relentlessly for 3 years to plant the perception of disrepute and stained integrity (like they have) .. just in time for the '06 elections. They know the sheeple are too indiferrent and apathetic to ponder complicated and nuanced details.

Top of my list of the lowest of the low, selected by this decent and honorable President to be in his closest circle of trusted government executives in wartime, and who swore allegiance to this country and her constitution, but put ego, pettiness, petulance, power and politics first. And STILL, they don't have the cojones to fess up like men and save the innocents needless further abuse:

Tenet
Armitage
Powell

Feel free to add more.

69 posted on 08/31/2006 10:52:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: MJY1288
If the truth were to be told about this scam, John Kerry and his campaign staff have their fingerprints all over this deception of the American people by his people and the DNC enablers in the MSM

I still think this Plame deal was an unintended consequence...the action was in Wilson's article, who put him up to it, why did it seem to be coordinated with the attack on Blair, who gave him access to information and who was behind the 16 words that the WH retracted when, to this day, they are still correct.

70 posted on 08/31/2006 10:53:14 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Lancey Howard

Can you see me smiling?


71 posted on 08/31/2006 10:53:27 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: demlosers
Fitz will have a Dem judge and jury, he can do anything he wants, he also has NO oversite in the press.

It is a setup.

The President will have to pardon Libby.
72 posted on 08/31/2006 10:53:29 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: West Coast Conservative

ouch


73 posted on 08/31/2006 10:54:04 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: STARWISE

My list grows longer by the day.


74 posted on 08/31/2006 10:54:15 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: oceanview
It appears to have been a perjury trap, paticulary if Fitz knew then who did leak, and whether the leak the leak was illegal, which it was not. Of course, any private citizen would have taken the 5th in this context, due to that concern, per his lawyer's advice, which is always the advice in this situation.

But Scooter was not a private citizen, and could not do that, and thus needed more subtle legal advice, about testifying that he did recall precisely who said what to whom, and perhaps if the deposer would tell him what someone else said he said, that might refresh his recollection, and absent that, what someone else said might well be perhaps accurate, with his recollection refreshed, Otherwise, it would be inappropriate for him to speculate as to his recall, as to the precise interplay of the subject conversations. Do you get my drift?

75 posted on 08/31/2006 10:55:05 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Howlin

What's happening there?


76 posted on 08/31/2006 10:55:22 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

It's simple, I hate everybody: theirs AND ours.........LOL.


77 posted on 08/31/2006 10:56:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Dolphy

If the Right had ANY serious investigative reporters we could maybe find out.

But of course our reporters only spent their time on defense or slamming the Pres for more party invites.


78 posted on 08/31/2006 10:56:17 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Howlin

I was suggesting on another thread (in response to calls for the charges against Libby to be dropped) - maybe we want the Libby trial now, in light of these revelations. the testimony at Libby's trial might get interesting. yes, its tough on him personally - but I have to figure the defense fund is going to swell after this.

my guess is, if we do see Fitzgerald drop the charges, its because the "cabal" here will get a message through Fitzgerald's handlers and tell him that they don't want to risk being dragged into court, and its better to drop it. Fitz will of course claim he is dropping the charges to sustain the "rule of law" or some other platitude, which will be nonsense of course.


79 posted on 08/31/2006 10:57:01 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Howlin

Like me, from ear to ear.


80 posted on 08/31/2006 10:57:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: machogirl
maybe this will be the end of plame's book deal

I have a hunch it is. This was hot stuff when it was thought it could damage the President. Now that even the Post admits the whole thing is pretty much horse-hockey, I can't see any publisher drooling to pony up the bucks for Val's proposed tell-all.

81 posted on 08/31/2006 10:59:00 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: Torie

very true. the "cooperate fully" albatross around his neck, hurt him.

in retrospect, Libby should have resigned before it all came down, and thus been a private citizen when the GJ was convened.


82 posted on 08/31/2006 10:59:09 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: roses of sharon
Fitz will have a Dem judge and jury, he can do anything he wants, he also has NO oversite in the press.

It is a setup.

The President will have to pardon Libby.

If there is going to be a blatant miscarriage of justice, Libby should easily win in appeals court.

83 posted on 08/31/2006 10:59:18 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Semi Civil Servant
That would only be fitting.

If justice were to truly prevail, Fitzpatrick should be disbarred.

84 posted on 08/31/2006 10:59:45 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: Lancey Howard

Wistful thinking: When Joe steps outside to get his WP this morning, reporters will be all over his lawn like they laid siege to Rove's home.


85 posted on 08/31/2006 11:02:19 PM PDT by Carolinamom (This is no time to go wobbly. - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: roses of sharon
It is quite hilarious that anyone here would believe reporters over Libby, who is a lawyer and works for the VP.

Either here or Fitzpatrick, himself.

86 posted on 08/31/2006 11:02:38 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: Howlin
LOL .. no, what are you experiencing ?? Everything pretty OK with the wind, rain?

Other than that, you're experiencing what we all are: PHTS (Progessive Homocidal Turncoat Syndrome).

65mph ... 20m n nw of Wilmington

moving n ne at 15 mph

87 posted on 08/31/2006 11:03:47 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: roses of sharon

The QUESTION becomes, when does Wilsons arrest For PERJURY come???


88 posted on 08/31/2006 11:04:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: BIGLOOK

LOL - best post!


89 posted on 08/31/2006 11:04:40 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: oceanview

You know what, you have a great point!

Let Scooter go to trial; put everybody under oath! Let's get to the REAL bottom of this.

What does he have to lose?

And for myself, there's nothing that would make me happier than to see that fat bastard Russert and the jerk Matthews under oath.


90 posted on 08/31/2006 11:07:45 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Carolinamom
According to Byron York (National Review), Joe and Valerie are STILL going forward w/their court case against Rove, Cheney, and Libby....Their lawyer said Armitage was just 'gossiping' and isn't included in the 'conspiracy' against them.

That's the new MSM buzzword re Armitage:"Gossipy." Sounds so harmless -- kind of warm-and-fuzzy, doesn't it.

Remember how Sandy Berger was not criminal -- just "sloppy"?

It's the same technique being used to excuse Armitage: He's just a gossip.

91 posted on 08/31/2006 11:08:43 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: STARWISE

It's windy and rainy............see, I did figure it out!


92 posted on 08/31/2006 11:09:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
And for myself, there's nothing that would make me happier than to see that fat bastard Russert and the jerk Matthews under oath.

And see them sweat when under cross. :-)

93 posted on 08/31/2006 11:12:45 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: shhrubbery!

You are so right. What will be their excuse for the Black warrior Colin Powell I wonder.


94 posted on 08/31/2006 11:13:21 PM PDT by Carolinamom (This is no time to go wobbly. - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: demlosers

"Could you tell us in your own words why you breathlessly reported EVERY SINGLE Liberal-Democrat LIE, yes, that's right, LIE fed to you about Mr. Rove???"


95 posted on 08/31/2006 11:13:37 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: demlosers

Yes.

I'd suggest Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing as defense counsel.


96 posted on 08/31/2006 11:13:37 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Hang in there.


97 posted on 08/31/2006 11:16:56 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: shhrubbery!

At the risk of giving reporters reading this thread any ideas, I can envision one of them writing that wife Thelma didn't want Colin to get involved...to remain above the fray, etc.


98 posted on 08/31/2006 11:17:34 PM PDT by Carolinamom (This is no time to go wobbly. - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: tcrlaf
Wilson has played his part, he is done now, unfortunately.

He was supposed to write that oped, and ride the wave of the smear machine.

With even Hollywood taking part in this smear campaign, they were all truly magnificent in their malevolence.

And on Iraq, they are even better, for somehow Islamic Cults who blow up innocents in the market, (who are desperately trying to form a civilized nation), are cast as "Winners" in Iraq.

So now we have a US President who is inhuman, more dangerous than Saddam or OBL, and a war in which American citizens feel was a mistake.

The left and their enormous media have never lost their touch.
99 posted on 08/31/2006 11:17:51 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

Sadly, the ONLY folks in America who will let the American Voter know this is US....

We MUST shout this from the rooftops, to anyone that will listen...

EVERY SINGLE LIE the left has told about this President has become part of popular culture thanks to willing sycophants like Matthews, and they MUST be held accountable for it......


100 posted on 08/31/2006 11:20:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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