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Boy Scout Magazine Going PC?
The Carolina Journal ^ | 8/31/06 | Jon Ham

Posted on 09/01/2006 4:51:41 AM PDT by T-Bird45

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I haven't taken the opportunity to read the latest Scouting magazine but had similar thoughts upon seeing the cover with the article headlines.

For those who are unaware, this magazine is sent to all registered leaders while the boys continue to receive Boys Life.

BTW, I fully endorse and fit the author's second/disclosures paragraph.

1 posted on 09/01/2006 4:51:42 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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It would be so much more fun if Scouts lived in their own privileged world and never learned a thing about helping other humans, as well as learning how to tie knots.


2 posted on 09/01/2006 5:06:55 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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My son is a Scout. It has done him worlds of good. When I see what it's done for him--the wonderful experiences he's had, the confidence he's acquired, the leadership skills he's developing, the friends he's made--I'm sad that there are poor or homeless boys who can't take part because of the expense and the lack of opportunity. I also regret that there are local boys who do have enough money in their families but don't get involved in Scouting because it's not part of their cultural tradition. An effort to reach out to groups like these is not a bad thing at all. Being a part of Scouting can only make these children better Americans and better men. If that's a liberal philosophy, too bad. Scouting shouldn't just be for rich or middle-class white kids.


3 posted on 09/01/2006 5:13:34 AM PDT by Fairview
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I haven't read my copy yet. Let's hope it's an abberation.


4 posted on 09/01/2006 5:14:26 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support Cub Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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Let me correct myself. It's great that Scouts has special units for kids who don't completely fit the "norm."

However, I have a problem with a multicultural bike ride with a visit to the Imam. Right now, our nation is at war with large radical elements of the group the Imam represents. Too few Muslims have done any credible denials of the Islamofascists. Based on that, I would be very hesitant to inculcate any of my Scouts or my kids into aspects of the Islamic culture.


5 posted on 09/01/2006 5:19:03 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support Cub Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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Helping the disadvantaged, the homeless and the boys of the incarcerated are noble callings. Appreciating religions and cultural differences also are things a boy should be taught, preferably by his parents. I kept turning the pages to find articles about camping, hiking, first aid and lifesaving, anything that might make Scouting sound like fun instead of social work. Maybe they’ll be in the next issue.

Sounds like you got a special one of a kind issue. What do you have against the scouts promoting to its scout leaders some of the outreach that the organization is doing to help the scouting movement and society. Do you really think the scout leaders need to be reminded about the fun of scouting?

Sounds like someone didnt learn from their parents about taking care of the disadvantaged, appreciating other religions and cultural differences. And since when is first aid and livesaving a fun activity.

6 posted on 09/01/2006 5:22:16 AM PDT by Dave S
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There are two types of Scouting. Urban scouting is more service-oriented. Suburban and rural scouting is more skills and outdoor oriented.

The defunding of urban scouting has started to decimate its ranks. It could end up being a moot point. Scouting is HEAVILY dependent on funding these days. We have to pay the people who ask for funding and it isn't cheap.


7 posted on 09/01/2006 5:23:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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There are two types of Scouting. Urban scouting is more service-oriented. Suburban and rural scouting is more skills and outdoor oriented.

The defunding of urban scouting has started to decimate its ranks. It could end up being a moot point. Scouting is HEAVILY dependent on funding these days. We have to pay the people who ask for funding and it isn't cheap.


8 posted on 09/01/2006 5:23:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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The cover story, “Connecting Cultures,” sets the mood. It tells how Scouting helps Asian-Americans “become part of U.S. society while also maintaining cultural traditions.” Also promoted on the cover are “Boys with Autism Can Thrive in Scouting” and “A Bicycle Ride for Insight and Understanding.”

The theme is found throughout the publication. A news brief chronicles one Boy Scout council’s efforts to highlight “the issues of hunger, health, and shelter.” Another tells of a Cub Scout pack that was started for homeless boys. There are stories of Scout troops created for “sons of incarcerated mothers” and “disadvantaged youth.” Another story tells of a North Carolina man winning an award “for exceptional service and leadership to Scouts with disabilities.”

The ride to different religious houses sounds a little fruity, but I'm having a hard time figuring out why the rest of this is so bad. And are disabled kids somehow inherently inconsistent with "fun"?

9 posted on 09/01/2006 5:31:51 AM PDT by Sloth ('It Takes A Village' is problematic when you're raising your child in Sodom.)
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...I kept turning the pages to find articles about camping, hiking, first aid and lifesaving, anything that might make Scouting sound like fun instead of social work. Maybe they’ll be in the next issue....

Don't count on it. It's tragic, the way PC has infected Scouting in the West. A hideous cancer, that there's no longer something to be robustly proud of and instead, we should ingratiate ourselves in submissive apologetic displays, towards every minority group that comes down the pipe. At exactly the time when we should be proclaiming the message that the Scouting experience provides answers to problems ranging from childhood obesity to lack of respect for seniors. Old-time leaders like myself give the mag a quick scan to see if there's anything in there about someone we know and if not, it goes straight into the bin.

10 posted on 09/01/2006 5:32:45 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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Once again, it seems that a lot of people, even those IN Scouting, miss the actual point of Scouting--to develop the leaders of tomorrow. Scout skills are still very much a part of the overall program, but, thank goodness, BSA has evolved to recognize that the leaders of tomorrow must have a broader training. I read the latest Scouting magazine yesterday, and, as a compassionate conservative (yes, we really do exist and pray for George Bush's success every day), I think it's great. Scouting has not abandoned its core beliefs, but it's broadening them. And exposing more people to this great value system!! I took a group of Scouts to a local mosque after 9-11...maybe we should all start infiltrating them since they've been doing the same to us all this time?!


11 posted on 09/01/2006 5:35:11 AM PDT by HopeSprings
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..it would be so much more fun if Scouts lived in their own privileged world and never learned a thing about helping other humans...

Hitting the bottle early- or late?

12 posted on 09/01/2006 5:36:39 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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...I took a group of Scouts to a local mosque after 9-11...

Thanks for demonstrating my point, Hope.

Did you apologise to the imam for the way we provoked 9-11?

13 posted on 09/01/2006 5:42:06 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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Are you really that much of a jerk who can't see the bigger picture here? Do you just want to ignore our enemies, or do you want to engage them and find out what they're doing? Blind liberals are one thing...but just as bad are ignorant conservatives like you.


14 posted on 09/01/2006 5:44:16 AM PDT by HopeSprings
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...I'm having a hard time figuring out why the rest of this is so bad....

At what point do you think you'll be able to 'figure it out', Sloth?

When Scouting publishes an account of a Troop visit to a gay Wiccan puppet theatre collective?

15 posted on 09/01/2006 5:47:27 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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How clever. Can't defend your position so I'm the drunk?

Good going.

Are these the manners you teach your scouts?

16 posted on 09/01/2006 5:47:57 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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Maybe we should have the scouts set up camps just across the border from Mexico-- to help welcome the undocumented workers streaming across the borders by the thousands every day. They could "do a good turn daily" by handing out free water and food, while getting a dose of multiculturalism along the way. Two birds with one stone!

And what about practicing first aid on those poor, downtrodden undocumented masses? First Aid merit badge in no time!


17 posted on 09/01/2006 5:53:16 AM PDT by zipper
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...are you really that much of a jerk who can't see the bigger picture here?...

Thanks Hope, but I can see the big picture just fine. Your little trip to the mosque is more Ward Churchill than Baden-Powell.

18 posted on 09/01/2006 5:53:39 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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...are these the manners you teach your scouts?...

No. I have a special responsibility, towards my Scouts.

I reserve these 'manners' for your kind.

19 posted on 09/01/2006 5:55:32 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.iwo.com/heroes.htm)
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This is just petty whining on the part of Jon the author of this piece. The Boy Scouts aren't simply an advocacy organization. I get so tired of people simply using organizations to push their own agenda regardless of how noble their beliefs.

The Boy Scouts are their to make men of boys. I see these stories as documenting that progress and encouraging others.

20 posted on 09/01/2006 5:55:40 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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