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I Converted at Gunpoint - Am I Really a Muslim?
Slate ^ | Thursday, Aug. 31, 2006, at 6:30 PM ET | Daniel Engber

Posted on 09/01/2006 8:50:13 AM PDT by van_erwin

The two Fox News staffers who were kidnapped in Gaza earlier this month were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint, according to news reports. Fox's Steve Centanni said on Wednesday that he didn't know if he was officially a Muslim—"I don't know enough about Islam to know if it was official, or recognized." Well, is he a Muslim, or isn't he?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: centanni; coersion; conversion; dumbquestion; hostages; islam; msm; terrorism; trop; wiig
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Be sure to watch the video the kidnappers forced them to make. Have a look at the true face of Islam and its hypocritical evil core. Is there anyone still out there who doesn't realize we're at war with an entire religion?
1 posted on 09/01/2006 8:50:14 AM PDT by van_erwin
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To: van_erwin

Well, if he gets a membership card in the mail, it's official.

Otherwise, he just humored the terrorists.


2 posted on 09/01/2006 8:51:42 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: van_erwin

Someone needs to send this to ask an Imam.


3 posted on 09/01/2006 8:52:19 AM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglÚs)
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To: van_erwin

I know enough to know that under any circumstances and acceptance then denial = death.


4 posted on 09/01/2006 8:52:24 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: van_erwin

Is Mr. Engber that addled? Or couldn't he think of anything else to write about?


5 posted on 09/01/2006 8:53:00 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: van_erwin

Maybe's he's just ans ASSociate member........


6 posted on 09/01/2006 8:53:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: van_erwin
Is there anyone still out there who doesn't realize we're at war with an entire religion?

I guess the Muslim who tipped off the UK plane bombing plot wasn't a Muslim...

7 posted on 09/01/2006 8:53:49 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: van_erwin
YES! you are relly a MUSLIM insofar as all other Mohammedans are concerned. All that is required is to audibly repeat the formula. If you apostasize, renounce Islam, or show by your actions that you are still Christian/or- then you are under sentence of death and any Mohammedan with the opportunity is enjoined to carry out the sentence.
8 posted on 09/01/2006 8:54:21 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Ingtar
Someone needs to send this to ask an Imam.

That's funny.

9 posted on 09/01/2006 8:54:31 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Ingtar

An Imam does not have to speak truth to an infidel if his position can be enhanced by lies.


10 posted on 09/01/2006 8:55:21 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Darkwolf377

By that logic, Rudolph Hess was not a Nazi?


11 posted on 09/01/2006 8:56:11 AM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglÚs)
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To: van_erwin

"Is there anyone still out there who doesn't realize we're at war with an entire religion?"

Yes, millions of liberals and appeasers don't know.
Steve Centanni doesn't know... he thinks the Palis are "beautiful, gentle people."


12 posted on 09/01/2006 8:56:28 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Ingtar
By that logic, Rudolph Hess was not a Nazi?

Hmmm, the point flew right over your head, I see.

13 posted on 09/01/2006 8:58:52 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: van_erwin

well, if he gets abducted again, he can just say he is muslim and he gets a free "no head chop" pass. But then again, Muslims kill their own without thinking twice... I guess his odds are better now though.

As for me, please chop my head off sir... I am not converting...


14 posted on 09/01/2006 8:59:47 AM PDT by dubie
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To: van_erwin; Charles Henrickson; martin_fierro
No, true conversion occurs at the point of a sword...


15 posted on 09/01/2006 9:00:13 AM PDT by mikrofon ('S wordplay)
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To: van_erwin
This is entirely what's wrong with an amoral, atheist society. Like Bill Clinton, the ethics and values are situational. A devout Christian wouldn't renounce Christ to save his own skin. However, our society is headed toward mass appeasement of tyranny with the Democrats leading the charge. When the missiles are aimed at us, what's to stop the non-grounded from reciting the Shihada to "save us" from war? Apparently nothing.

/ rant

16 posted on 09/01/2006 9:00:18 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: van_erwin

He will have to watch his back for the rest of his life.


17 posted on 09/01/2006 9:00:26 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: van_erwin
he didn't know if he was officially a Muslim

Get in an SUV and run over a lot of people. If the MSM ignores your killing spree, you are officially a Muslim.
18 posted on 09/01/2006 9:00:46 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: van_erwin

I guess if you feel Islam is not a true religeon involving God but, by it's Koran and the actions of its adherents showing them more in tune with the devil, it wasn't a true conversion. However, Steve said something about how much he respects Islam, but that was when he was in the company of the muzzie leaders of Gaza. I would expect his ordeal wised him up as to the true nature of these savages, if he hadn't wised up already.


19 posted on 09/01/2006 9:03:43 AM PDT by Ilky Hucktar
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To: Ingtar

Bookmark for later so I can do just that! Any bets on whether it will be answered publicly?


20 posted on 09/01/2006 9:04:54 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ingtar
This is the closest I could find:

How come an apostate is killed in Islamic Shariah but there's no compulsion upon other non-Muslims in the State?

Q: How come an apostate is killed in Islamic Shariah but there's no compulsion upon other non-Muslims in the State? Why isn't he/she allowed to follow whatever religion they want? Jazakum'Allahu khairun. Answer 7676

A: There are two categories of people mentioned: an apostate and an original non-Muslim. The injunctions of the Shari’ah as supported by the Qur’aan and Hadith that is applicable to both of them differs. In other words, both of them do not fall under the same category.

The first one is an apostate or renegade, i.e. a Muslim person who has turned away from Islam and the second are those who are non-Muslims originally. The law for the first group of people, i.e. renegade is that firstly Islam will be presented once again to him and if he has any doubts or queries then these should be cleared out and he will be given a respite of 3 days. If he accepts Islam again, then fine otherwise he will be killed. This is substantiated by the noble Hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) wherein he explicitly mentions, ‘Whosoever changes his Deen, then kill him’. This only apply to the males. A female renegade will not be killed, rather kept imprisoned until she accepts Islam.

As for the second group, when the Muslims conquer a non-Muslim land, they will first invite those people to Islam because of the narration of ibn Abbaas (Radhiallaahu Anhu), ‘No nation should be fought with until they are called to Islam.’ If the accept, then Muslims will not fight with them. And if they refuse, then they will be asked to pay Jizya (tax), if they refuse, this, then only will the Muslims fight them. This is also substantiated by Qur’aan, ‘Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor in the last day nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizya (tax) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.’ (Surah Tawbah Aayat29).

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Doesn't this make you feel better?

21 posted on 09/01/2006 9:05:07 AM PDT by happymom (Check out my new blog: http://noburqua.blogspot.com/)
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To: van_erwin

The relevant issue: If he never "became" a Muslim, he can believe whatever he wants. If he did become a Muslim, it is the duty, according to the Koran, of every Muslim, everywhere in the world, to seek to murder him if he states he believes in anything un-Islamic.


22 posted on 09/01/2006 9:07:51 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Dog Gone

"Well, if he gets a membership card in the mail, it's official."

Not sure about that. I got an AARP card in the mail but it didn't seem to make me retired.


23 posted on 09/01/2006 9:07:59 AM PDT by Busywhiskers (Delenda est Hezbollah)
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To: All

If he gets a load of virgins when he dies, then yes, he's a Muslim. :)


24 posted on 09/01/2006 9:08:28 AM PDT by paristwelve (-*/)
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To: Darkwolf377
I guess the Muslim who tipped off the UK plane bombing plot wasn't a Muslim..

He endangered fellow Muslims to protect the infidel, so he was already on his first steps down the path to being a non-Muslim.

Islam and free, modern civilization are incompatible. Islam will always seek to convert the world - it follows the same logic as Communism, that only a world revolution will suffice. Even if we were to isolate the Muslim countries and prevent any contact between Muslims and the civilized world, they would find a way to take offense and try to attack us. It's all or nothing, I'm afraid. This world ain't big enough for the both of us.

25 posted on 09/01/2006 9:09:07 AM PDT by van_erwin
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To: P-40
Get in an SUV and run over a lot of people. If the MSM ignores your killing spree, you are officially a Muslim.

We have a winnah!!!

26 posted on 09/01/2006 9:09:29 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: van_erwin
Fox's Steve Centanni said on Wednesday that he didn't know if he was officially a Muslim—"I don't know enough about Islam to know if it was official, or recognized."

I've been posing the question: Did either recant or renouce their 'conversion'.

That statement by Centanni answers my question.
27 posted on 09/01/2006 9:09:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Busywhiskers

That's a good point. I got a Capital One card and I'm not a pillaging viking, either.


28 posted on 09/01/2006 9:10:43 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: van_erwin

It depends... Has put a check in the collection plate yet?


29 posted on 09/01/2006 9:12:24 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: dubie
well, if he gets abducted again, he can just say he is muslim and he gets a free "no head chop" pass.

Wouldn't that depend on who captured him (Sunni or Shi'ite) and whether his conversion was a Sunni or Shi'ite?

Al-Zarqawi didn't seem to make much distinctions in Iraq; he just liked to kill bunches of people, it seems.
30 posted on 09/01/2006 9:13:02 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Dog Gone
Man, though - if I thought getting a Capital One card could turn me into a pillaging Viking, I might have to take another look at that application form...
31 posted on 09/01/2006 9:13:19 AM PDT by van_erwin
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To: happymom

It all comes back to one thing. Islam is predicated on the notion that the world is subject to Islam whether it knows it or not, and muslims are called upon to make it clear to the world.

I, on the other hand, think that islam is full of crap if they think that I will ever pay their tax or speak their words.

If Centanni is wondering whether he is officially muslim, he needs to start rethinking his whole life, because he apparently doesn't know what he was before.


32 posted on 09/01/2006 9:14:21 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: van_erwin

Steve, baby, you just learned lesson #1. Conversion by the sword is not only recognized: It's a sacrament to these clowns. Question is, do you believe you converted?


33 posted on 09/01/2006 9:16:04 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: pgyanke

Why should a Christian resolve not to lie to a muzzie to save his life, on pain of death? They'll lie to us in a heartbeat, not just to save themselves but to kill us. I don't think it's a sin to lie to those animals.


34 posted on 09/01/2006 9:16:17 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: van_erwin

Actually, that's a good question to ask CAIR. Let the whole country hear what they have to say about it.


35 posted on 09/01/2006 9:17:18 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: arthurus
I thought that Islamic law included divorce where all you have to do is utter, three times, "I Divorce You!"

If that's the method that Centanni can divorce himself drom his actions and all is:

Okey Dokey!

36 posted on 09/01/2006 9:18:06 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: happymom
"Whosoever changes his Deen, then kill him"

Well HELL, no WONDER the 'Rats still have Howie as Chairman of the DNC!
37 posted on 09/01/2006 9:19:12 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: SlowBoat407

CAIR has one purpose: to convert the United States to an Islamic state.

They should be banned as a terrorist organization. I have no idea why they are still allowed to function within our borders.


38 posted on 09/01/2006 9:19:59 AM PDT by van_erwin
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To: SlowBoat407
If Centanni is wondering whether he is officially muslim, he needs to start rethinking his whole life, because he apparently doesn't know what he was before.

I don't think he meant he was unsure so much in the spiritual sense as in the legal sense, whether it was recognized by muslims as legally binding. In American law, we know that a contract made under duress is not valid, but apparently that is not so under Islamic law. They seem to take the view that you received a valuable consideration (keeping your head on your shoulders) for entering into a contract (conversion) with them, and so you are legally bound whether or not your heart was really in it. And the penalty for breaking this contract is death.

39 posted on 09/01/2006 9:21:42 AM PDT by happymom (Check out my new blog: http://noburqua.blogspot.com/)
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To: Dog Gone
That's a good point. I got a Capital One card and I'm not a pillaging viking, either.

Hey, you get Viking Kitties once in a while on FR, that's all. Live with it. ;)

(PS - your post WAS funny!)
40 posted on 09/01/2006 9:21:45 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Ingtar
I think that's a great idea! And afterwards, send the answer to CAIR (as someone else suggested) for a comment.
41 posted on 09/01/2006 9:21:54 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: colorado tanker
Why should a Christian resolve not to lie to a muzzie to save his life, on pain of death? They'll lie to us in a heartbeat, not just to save themselves but to kill us. I don't think it's a sin to lie to those animals.

Simply because many Christians are of the opinion the you cannot serve G-d with a lie upon your lips...

the infowarrior

42 posted on 09/01/2006 9:23:22 AM PDT by infowarrior (The GOP runs the US, the Dems run their mouths... Freeper HardStarboard)
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To: Young Werther
I thought that Islamic law included divorce where all you have to do is utter, three times, "I Divorce You!" If that's the method that Centanni can divorce himself drom his actions and all is: Okey Dokey!

I'm sure Mrs. Centanni has already laid down the law, and it ain't Islam. ;)
43 posted on 09/01/2006 9:23:23 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: 1rudeboy

See post #21. I took that from the Ask the Imam site.


44 posted on 09/01/2006 9:24:17 AM PDT by happymom (Check out my new blog: http://noburqua.blogspot.com/)
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To: van_erwin

mark for later.


45 posted on 09/01/2006 9:24:23 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: van_erwin

according to islam, yes it is 100% official.


46 posted on 09/01/2006 9:26:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: happymom
I don't think he meant he was unsure so much in the spiritual sense as in the legal sense, whether it was recognized by muslims as legally binding.

Well then, for a reporter over there, he's pretty ignorant. Conversion by the sword is what these asshats live for, and it's how most of the world became muslim. For them, damn right it's official. I think he should now step up and tell the story (to use his words). Watch what happens when he recants, and see who sides with and against him.

47 posted on 09/01/2006 9:27:08 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: happymom

Interesting. But Mr. Centanni (or should I say Muhammed Centanni?) and his cameraman were not given the opportunity to pay tax.


48 posted on 09/01/2006 9:28:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: van_erwin

You have to pay dues.


49 posted on 09/01/2006 9:31:36 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: longtermmemmory
"according to islam, yes it is 100% official."

Even if he is taking a bite out of a Uncle Dave's pulled pork sandwich with a beer in his hand?

50 posted on 09/01/2006 9:34:50 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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