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Exonerating Bush, Point-By-Point
The Evening Bulletin ( Philadelphia) ^ | 9/1/06 | MICHAEL P. TREMOGLIE

Posted on 09/01/2006 9:59:25 AM PDT by Miami Vice

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To: Miami Vice
False accusation #4: Bush secretly conspired to whisk Saudis out of the country by authorizing them to fly in the days following 9-11 when no one else, "not even the FBI," could fly (Michael Moore, Vanity Fair).

Truth: The 9-11 commission and my own independent investigation have invalidated this. The day the Saudis flew was the day all commercial flights resumed.

That is absolutely FALSE.

All known facts PROVE that they flew out on September 20th from Boston.

And they were picked up with the help of the FBI and the CIA.

You said the Saudis flew on a day that noone else was allowed to fly.

I never said any such thing.

His/your statement was WRONG. They did NOT fly out of this country on the 13th of September!

One more time:

One of the nine flights that took Saudi nationals out of the United States after September 11 has drawn particular attention because many of its 26 passengers were relatives of Osama Bin Laden. The so-called "Bin Laden" flight did not leave the United States immediately; it left on September 20, a week after airspace was opened. Moreover, most of the people on this flight, 22 out of 26, were in fact interviewed by the FBI. The 9/11 Commission reported that "many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity."

false.

Which, of course, makes his/your statement

Truth: The 9-11 commission and my own independent investigation have invalidated this. The day the Saudis flew was the day all commercial flights resumed.

Which is EXACTLY what I said in this post:

To: Miami Vice
The day the Saudis flew was the day all commercial flights resumed.

That is not true.

16 posted on 09/01/2006 1:23:57 PM EDT by Howlin
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It appears you are demonstrably the dope in this conversation.

61 posted on 09/02/2006 8:34:48 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

You said To: Miami Vice
The day the Saudis flew was the day all commercial flights resumed.
That is not true

Yes it is true dummy. God, I can't believe you are this thickheaded. You contradict yourself then contradict your contradiction.

ALL COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE FLIGHTS RESUMED 9-13-01 THE DAY THE SAUDIS BEGAN FLYING FROM TAMPA TO KENTUCKY. CHECK YOUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER ARCHIVES AND THE FAA.

I cannot believe someone as stupid as you has survived to adulthood.


62 posted on 09/02/2006 12:56:54 PM PDT by Miami Vice
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To: Howlin

Howlin you wrote : His/your statement was WRONG. They did NOT fly out of this country on the 13th of September!

However just before that yo uquoted Tremoglie who wrote, " False accusation #4: Bush secretly conspired to whisk Saudis out of the country by authorizing them to fly in the days following 9-11 when no one else, "not even the FBI," could fly (Michael Moore, Vanity Fair).
Truth: The 9-11 commission and my own independent investigation have invalidated this. The day the Saudis flew was the day all commercial flights resumed. "

Tremoglie didn't say they flew out of the country that day you dumbjerk he said they FLEW THAT DAY. THey all flew on 9-13-01 to one pioint where they all met BEFORE the FBI did a check and they left the country.

THEY FLEW ON 9-13-01 THEY FLEW ON 9-13-01 THEY FLEW ON 9-13-01. There even an idiot like you should be able to understand this.

ALL COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS INCLUDING PRIOVIATE CHARTERS WERE PERMITTED ON 9-13-01.

Hellooo this is what I have been saying.



63 posted on 09/02/2006 1:01:30 PM PDT by Miami Vice
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To: Miami Vice
You very well could be one of the dumbest posters I've ever seen on FR.

False accusation #4: Bush secretly conspired to whisk Saudis

out of the country

by authorizing them to fly in the days following 9-11 when no one else, "not even the FBI," could fly (Michael Moore, Vanity Fair).

Now these are HIS WORDS, not mine: "Truth: The 9-11 commission and my own independent investigation have invalidated this.

Now try to pay attention here because these are his words:

The day the Saudis flew was the day all commercial flights resumed.

Notice he did NOT say that they flew to different points in the country and waited to leave on the 20th.

Commerical flights resumed on the 13th; they flew out of the country on September 20th, period.

THey all flew on 9-13-01 to one pioint where they all met BEFORE the FBI did a check and they left the country.

That is NOT what he said in his original article.

64 posted on 09/02/2006 8:39:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT STUPID?

THE CLAIM WAS THAT NOBODY WAS ALLOWED TO FLY ON 9-13-01.

WERE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO FLY ON 9-13-01 OR NOT???

YES THEY WERE.

WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND YOU IGNORAMUS?

Yes they were so the claim that the Saudis flew when no one else could fly is not valid ( in other you stupid donkey it is invalidated).

EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS EXCEPT FOR MENTALLY MASTURBATING CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ( I am sure it is not just mental with you after reading the crap you post.) Why don't you just go back to what you do. Leave the intelligent thinking to normal people.

THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD BE ANY DUMBER IS IF THERE WERE TWO OF YOU.


65 posted on 09/02/2006 9:54:47 PM PDT by Miami Vice
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To: Miami Vice

I can't read the entire article right now, but I gave it a once-over and know I'll want to spend time reading it again later. Thank you so much for posting it, Miami Vice! BTTT


66 posted on 09/02/2006 9:56:50 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Miami Vice
No, he said

The day the Saudis flew was the day all commercial flights resumed.

and that is not the truth.

You are a bore.

the claim that the Saudis flew when no one else could fly is not valid ( in other you stupid donkey it is invalidated).

Tell that to Byron York and National Review, why don't you?

Bill Carter, the FBI spokesman, is adamant. "We were given full access to the individuals on that plane," he says, "and we were satisfied that we did not believe any of those individuals had anything to do with the 9/11 plots."

The plane to which Carter refers was an aircraft chartered by the Saudi government in the days after the terrorist attacks. The individuals were two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's extended family who had been living in the United States. Saying they were afraid that family members might suffer retribution in the U.S., the Saudis asked for American assistance in getting them out of the country. With the help of the FBI, the Saudis and the bin Laden family chartered an aircraft to pick up family members in Los Angeles, Orlando, and Washington, D.C.

The bin Laden plane then flew the relatives to Boston, where —

one week after the attacks — the group left Logan Airport bound for Jeddah.

You are a bore and you don't know what you are even saying.

Leave the intelligent thinking to normal people.

But then what will YOU be doing?

67 posted on 09/02/2006 10:12:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: GBA
"A fact is to a liberal what garlic is to a vampire"

--Larry "The Sage from South Central" Elder
68 posted on 09/02/2006 10:48:56 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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69 posted on 09/03/2006 6:12:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Howlin

THEY WERE ALLOWED TO FLY THAT DAY, STUPID. EVERYBODY WAS.
THAT IS THE POINT. THE SAUDIS FLEW WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE WAS ALLOWED TO FLY CONTRARY TO YOUR CLAIMS AND MICHAEL MOORE'S CLAIMS AND ALL THE REST OF YOU LUNATIC LIBERALS.

Like I said for for you to be any dumber there would have to be two of you.

Was your mother this stupid? Did the doctor smack you in the head by mistake or something?

It is difficult to believe that you were not born this dumb.


70 posted on 09/04/2006 8:09:21 AM PDT by Miami Vice
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To: Miami Vice

Bush was Right, Michael Mooron Lied!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


71 posted on 09/04/2006 8:12:53 AM PDT by bray (Koffi 4 Food has Failed.......Again)
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To: Miami Vice

I have gotten a lot of emails telling me you have a reading comprehension, but I ignored them, thinking I could get through to you.

I think I will ignore YOU now; you're not worth the trouble and evidently cannot understand the written English language.

Be happy in your ignorance.


72 posted on 09/04/2006 10:01:37 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Everytime you post something you reveal what a fool you are.

Just keep posting you are actually starting to become comical to me.


73 posted on 09/05/2006 4:11:51 AM PDT by Miami Vice
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HOwlin this could have been written about you. YOu are a conspiracy theory nitwit just like liberal college professors:

Professors, Too, Have A First Amendment Right To Embarrass Themselves in Public

By Sara Dogan--SAF--08/31/06

In a case bearing many similarities to that of University of Wisconsin-Madison Instructor Kevin Barrett, who was widely criticized for his view that Dick Cheney blew up the World Trade Center, tenured University of New Hampshire professor William Woodward has come under fire for the holding same bizarre views.

Woodward, a psychology professor and member of Scholars for 9/11 truth, believes that the United States government is lying about 9/11 and either perpetrated the attacks or allowed them to go forward in order to justify war with Iraq. Like Barrett, Woodward has publicly stated that he makes students aware of his views on 9/11 in his psychology courses, although unlike Barrett he asserts that he only mentions them once or twice a semester, whereas Barrett plans to devote a section of his course on Islam: Religion and Culture to teaching his conspiracy theories alongside the “official” story of 9/11.

Woodward’s public statements on 9/11 have provoked outrage among New Hampshire politicians, several of whom have called for his termination. The University has risen to his defense, asserting that it would be inappropriate and a violation of academic freedom to take any action against Woodward.

While it is understandable that local legislators are upset by Woodward’s political views, and incensed that he would teach them in class, the principle of academic freedom clearly dictates that he should not be fired for his publicly expressed beliefs. As extreme and absurd as his political views may be, he has every right as a citizen to hold them.

With regard to his conduct in the classroom, however, the principles of academic freedom set limits to what is permissible. The 1940 “Statement of Principles on Academic Freedom and Academic Tenure” of the American Association of University Professors asserts that “Teachers are entitled to freedom in the classroom in discussing their subject, but they should be careful not to introduce into their teaching controversial matter which has no relation to their subject.”

The statement also reminds faculty that their unique position “imposes special obligations” and “they should remember that the public may judge their profession and their institution by their utterances” and therefore “should at all times be accurate, should exercise appropriate restraint, should show respect for the opinions of others, and should make every effort to indicate that they are not speaking for the institution.”

In a recent piece for the New York Times, Professor Stanley Fish clarified these points noting: “All you have to do is remember that academic freedom is just that: the freedom to do an academic job without external interference. It is not the freedom to do other jobs, jobs you are neither trained for nor paid to perform. While there should be no restrictions on what can be taught — no list of interdicted ideas or topics — there should be an absolute restriction on appropriating the scene of teaching for partisan political ideals. Teachers who use the classroom to indoctrinate make the enterprise of higher education vulnerable to its critics and shortchange students in the guise of showing them the true way.”

As the 1940 AAUP statement asserts, a professor’s academic freedom is premised on his or her expertise within a given scholarly field. Woodward’s training is in psychology, not in aerospace engineering, metallurgy, or the many other subjects relevant to the collapse of the twin towers on 9/11. Therefore, while academic freedom dictates that Woodward cannot be fired for his personal view that 9/11 was caused by a government conspiracy, it also holds that he should not bring his personal political views into a class where they are irrelevant to the subject at hand.

In a comment to InsiderHigherEd.com, AAUP General Secretary Roger Bowen emphasized these same points in defending Woodward, noting: “So long as the faculty member teaches within his or her discipline and is careful to teach the truth as set by the highest standards of scholarship within their discipline, they and their universities should not be subjected to political intrusions.” The question is how in the world can Roger Bowen regard a psychology professor’s crackpot theories of 9/11 as reflecting “the truth as set by the highest standards of scholarship within [his] discipline.”


74 posted on 09/05/2006 4:14:18 AM PDT by Miami Vice
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To: Miami Vice

Judging from the Freepmails I've gotten since you started this, I would venture to guess that it's not me whose making a fool out of themselves.

People can hardly wait for your next post to see just how far you're going to take this.

There's even a POOL to see just how many days you're going to continue with this; I'm betting you're going for the FR record!!!

Carry on.


DAY FIVE...


75 posted on 09/05/2006 4:32:49 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Since you are such an idiot I doubt you get any emails. Then again, it is quite possible that there are some Freepers who are as weird and stupid as you.


76 posted on 09/05/2006 4:50:24 AM PDT by Miami Vice
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To: Miami Vice

DAY FIVE.........tick tock...


77 posted on 09/05/2006 4:51:20 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

You really are a screwball aren't you.


78 posted on 09/05/2006 6:29:05 AM PDT by Miami Vice
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