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A change in Iraq war plans is needed, but no one in the White House can see it
McClatchy Newspapers ^ | 8.30.06 | Joseph Galloway

Posted on 09/01/2006 10:41:50 AM PDT by meandog

By JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY

The president's news conference this week was as close to a declaration of policy bankruptcy as anything seen so far in his stewardship of the 3 1/2-year war in Iraq.

With his poll numbers still down around his ankles and even some key Republicans questioning the wisdom of staying the course in Iraq, President Bush flatly declared there will be no withdrawal of American troops before noon Jan. 20, 2009.

I believe it was Will Rogers who said when you find yourself in a hole the first thing to do is quit digging. The president knows he's in a hole and he's still digging furiously and promising he won't quit digging. Ever.

What kind of sense does this make?

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Joseph L. Galloway is former senior military correspondent for Knight Ridder Newspapers and co-author of the national best-seller "We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young." Readers may write to him at: P.O. Box 399, Bayside, Texas 78340; e-mail: jlgalloway2@cs.com.

General H. Norman Schwarzkopf has called Joseph L. Galloway, a military columnist for McClatchy Newspapers, "The finest combat correspondent of our generation — a soldier's reporter and a soldier's friend."

1 posted on 09/01/2006 10:41:53 AM PDT by meandog
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To: meandog

"President Bush flatly declared there will be no withdrawal of American troops before noon Jan. 20, 2009."

What?


2 posted on 09/01/2006 10:45:52 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: meandog

Capitulating to the enemy and cutting-and-running are NOT appropriate measures to take. I don't care whether this man is considered "The finest combat correspondent" by anyone. Unless he (or those he is representing) articulates a real plan for how to enact a change in Iraq, then he should just STFU.


3 posted on 09/01/2006 10:46:57 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: meandog

Yep, nobody in the White House knows anything or can see anything or will listen to anything. Riiiight.


4 posted on 09/01/2006 10:47:25 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: meandog
What's needed, and has been desperately needed since the summer of 2003, is a strong counter-insurgency program. And a viable counter-insurgency campaign is police work, not the work of regular Army and Marine troops with Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, artillery and air strikes.

How effective are police forces against militias armed with car bombs, rockets and mortars?

5 posted on 09/01/2006 10:49:10 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: meandog

What is it with people named Galloway?


6 posted on 09/01/2006 10:51:19 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup ("Is it real? Or is it Reuters?")
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To: meandog
I guess these "journalist" don't read reports especially the one that said attacks and murder are down. Even MSNBC claimed that our troops are taking 2 steps forward 1 step back meaning the current plan is working.
7 posted on 09/01/2006 10:52:28 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: meandog

Joseph Galloway has his head up his arse. Sounds just like George Galloway to me.


8 posted on 09/01/2006 10:52:47 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Prokopton
What?

Indeed...there better not be any withdrawals after Jan. 20, 2009!

9 posted on 09/01/2006 10:53:38 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: meandog
What's needed, and has been desperately needed since the summer of 2003, is a strong counter-insurgency program. And a viable counter-insurgency campaign is police work, not the work of regular Army and Marine troops with Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, artillery and air strikes.

Man, this guy is brilliant . Just put the terrorists under arrest!--Why couldn't I think of that!?

10 posted on 09/01/2006 10:53:46 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: SoldierDad
Capitulating to the enemy and cutting-and-running are NOT appropriate measures to take. I don't care whether this man is considered "The finest combat correspondent" by anyone. Unless he (or those he is representing) articulates a real plan for how to enact a change in Iraq, then he should just STFU.

He's not saying to cut and run...he's saying that there needs to be a change in strategy in Iraq by building a professional police force to control the insurgency.

11 posted on 09/01/2006 10:55:26 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: meandog

Wasn't that the basis for the Mel Gibson film 'We Were Soldiers'? Does Mr. Galloway think that the Islamist terrorists will be any more reasonable than the Viet Cong? Should we have just put Ho Chi Minh under arrest?

Sigh...here we actually have an applicable lesson from one war to another and the one guy who wrote something useful about the first goes all clueless about the second.

There's got to be a reason for this.


12 posted on 09/01/2006 10:55:52 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: San Jacinto

LOL


13 posted on 09/01/2006 10:56:06 AM PDT by pissant
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To: meandog
...he's saying that there needs to be a change in strategy in Iraq by building a professional police force to control the insurgency

And they should also pass a law making it illegal to set off car bombs in public.

He is for withdrawing the troops. Some would say that's 'cut and run', and his call for a better police force is just cover language--like suggesting "re-deploymnet" of our forces.

14 posted on 09/01/2006 11:03:06 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: SoldierDad

I just emailed this self-absorbed hack. One of the problems with somebody like this is that they have come to believe their own press clips and believe they have attained an all-knowing GOD status in their specific area of knowledge.


15 posted on 09/01/2006 11:04:45 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: SoldierDad

It helps to read the entire article. The author does put forward a plan. I know it's really close to the end of the article, but it is there.

Nowhere does he suggest cut and run or capitulation. Again, reading the article would have provided that insight.

I gather that it is now unacceptable on this forum to even suggest that we have conducted this war in Iraq less perfectly than we should have? My goodness, governments can screw up a free lunch, but because we like GW, we refuse to believe that anything he does could be anything other than the best of the best?

I don't get it.


16 posted on 09/01/2006 11:07:12 AM PDT by dmz
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To: meandog

I've read a number of his columns.

His reputation has gone to his head. Logic has not. He's stuck on Vietnam.


17 posted on 09/01/2006 11:08:01 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: meandog

"he's saying that there needs to be a change in strategy in Iraq by building a professional police force to control the insurgency."

Actually, that IS the strategy of GWB. It usually takes 10-15 years, with US involvement slowly decreasing.

Galloway either isn't smart enough to understand (unlikely), or he blabbing to show his liberal friends in the media that he is really 'one of them'.


18 posted on 09/01/2006 11:10:52 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: dmz

People are addressing his plan. Which seems to be to build the police force. Isn't that what it is? Well, when was a police force effective against a militia armed with car bombs, rockets and mortars? Maybe there was a time? I am honestly asking the question. Do you know of an instance? Does he?


19 posted on 09/01/2006 11:13:36 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Mr Rogers
GWB's current plan is to build strong security forces, including police, army and special forces.

As well as a strong infrastructure.
20 posted on 09/01/2006 11:17:27 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: meandog

From a friend that did 2 tours in Iraq. He says some of the same things.

The fundamental question is "Do we let evil prevail?" If we leave, before the job is done--we let evil win. Have we made mistakes? Absolutely, but almost without exception the mistakes are a result of us not anticipating the level of evil. How do you account for people that will strap on a bomb and walk into the Green Zone Cafe and blow themselves up? You don't at first--not until you see and understand the depth of the depravity--then you adjust. And you keep adjusting until evil is defeated or at least contained. My fear is we are going to leave Iraq before the job is done, that's where the press is on this thing. They act like if we leave things return to how they were. That is not the alternative. However the future Iraq doesn't concern me--our lack of National will does. If we stay the course, Iraq will emerge as a better place. If we leave too soon the autrocities that will occur will take their place in the history books next to Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and the Taliban.

We are not the bad guys in Iraq but to listen to the press and the far left you wouldn't know it. They give the murderers in Iraq the same moral equivalency as our soldiers and Marines. That is crazy. But evil prevails by people pretending it doesn't exist. To equate how Abu Ghraib prison was run by the Coalition to how it was run by Saddam is ridiculous. Dog collars vs. wood chippers? Individual depravity vs. State sanctioned torture? Perpetrators arrested vs lionized? That is the difference between good and evil but the press (and the far left) won't recognize it. They give it a moral equivalency. Very frustrating. However...

The formula to win in Iraq is 1) kill or imprison the bad guys; 2) show the opportunists (fence sitters) there is a bettter way by our actions; 3) and protect the innocent. We've done a good job of number 1 (military); we are getting better at #2 with reconstruction (PCO, State Department) but we are not getting it done with #3 (? Iraqi police?). When I was part of the invasion force the whole idea was we would build Iraq similar to the CCC of the 1930's in the U.S. Big public works projects that would be heavy in labor and employee lots of locals. $18B would be seed money with the Iraqi's funding the rest with oil revenues. There was no discussion or planning for insurgency. We obviously did not adjust fast enough when the bad guys started to "vote" on the future they wanted. The solution is not to quit, the solution is to recognize we need to be tenacious and it costs what it costs.

Part of the problem was/is you had the guys that were good at #1 trying to run #2. Nobody was doing #3 except to "train local police". Doing 1, 2 & 3 well is what the National discussion should be. Not, how fast can we leave.


21 posted on 09/01/2006 11:18:16 AM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement)
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To: dmz

Sorry dmz, I disagree with you on this one.

I read the whole article. This guy is a biased lib, loves McCain, thinks Rove is behind it all.

In my opinion, his approach is not as "nuanced" as he thinks it is. He does have a puffed up opinion of himself, and thinks it is a Sunni insurgency that can be handled by a police force.

There were (and probably still are) more munitions per square mile of landspace in Iraq than in any other country in the world. It was the most militarized country on the face of the earth when we went in there. That means there are enough munitions available and squirreled away to allow any "insurgency" to stand up to nearly any military force, particularly an ill trained and ill prepared one, not to say anything about a police force.

And this does not even mention or take into account Iran's involvement, which is deep, long and entrenched now.


22 posted on 09/01/2006 11:23:10 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: lp boonie

Good letter but I don't think bringing in the NYPD is going to pacify Baghdad.


23 posted on 09/01/2006 11:23:33 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Mr Rogers
There will be no peace in this region until we take down Iran and Syria. Bush may not have the political capital to take on this next stage of the fighting, so we are in a holding pattern.

Allowing an Iranian puppet government to take over Iraq and threaten the other oil producing states in the area would be disastrous. Our withdrawal would also rile up young jihadists worldwide and cause a lot of death and misery.

Don't these people realize we're in a frigging WAR? If we never invaded Iraq all these insurgents would be operating in Afghanistan, the Democrats so-called "good war". They've chosen to fight in Iraq because the stakes are so much higher. They want that oil money to fuel a worldwide jihad. What's so hard to figure out?
24 posted on 09/01/2006 11:23:36 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: All
If you have not seen this elsewhere, read it now: Vice Director Admiral Sullivan of the JCS Strategic Planning and Policy's take on the Long War. (PowerPoint Presentation)
25 posted on 09/01/2006 11:25:30 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44
Exactly. The impatience and ignorance of some people is unbelievable. When has a modern military worked around such obstacles trying to train a strong police force and build a military, all awhile, foreign terrorists are coming to fight and die there by exploding bombs hidden amongst the civilian population? These terrorists are being trained, given weapons and being smuggled into Iraq from two bordering countries Iran and Syria.

The answer to my question, is no modern military has ever seen anything like this, period! Anyone that wants to look to Vietnam or WWII for tactics like this used by the enemy are just plain wrong.
26 posted on 09/01/2006 11:25:41 AM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: bnelson44
What's needed, and has been desperately needed since the summer of 2003, is a strong counter-insurgency program. And a viable counter-insurgency campaign is police work, not the work of regular Army and Marine troops with Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, artillery and air strikes.

Sounds like sKerry speak to me.

27 posted on 09/01/2006 11:27:51 AM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: rlmorel

Anyone that has to quote a republican general about his credentials is telling enough. Only liberals like to play that game. He is slanted in his writing and it is not to the right or even to the center.


28 posted on 09/01/2006 11:28:30 AM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: meandog

Sending out a "professional police force" to take care of Islamo-facist murderers would be like sending in the Boy Scouts to take down those two bank robbers with the automatic weapons from years ago.

No, this man is under the surface supporting those who are talking about "redeploying" our troops outside of Iraq (CUT-AND-RUN), leaving the Iraqi police to deal with thugs from Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. That would be a dishonor to the men and women who have sacrificed their lives to help the Iraqi citizens. It would also be a slap in the face to my son and the other soldiers who are in Iraq now trying to turn the tide against these Islamo-facist thugs.


29 posted on 09/01/2006 11:35:04 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: BigBobber

You would do well to pay attention to the fact that the Islamo-facists (Al Queda) are trying to establish a new base of operations in Africa. I can't recall the African nation that was recently reported in the news as a new base of operations for them. This is a world wide struggle against a facist ideology which operated along side of the Nazi's in WWII. We had better all come together to battle this, and real soon.


30 posted on 09/01/2006 11:38:21 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: bnelson44

I agree.


31 posted on 09/01/2006 11:40:48 AM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement)
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To: SoldierDad

Rumsfield is considering a new military command to watch over and deal with the African continent. Smart move and should be done. I just heard about this yesterday or the day before.


32 posted on 09/01/2006 11:42:36 AM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: meandog
What's needed, and has been desperately needed since the summer of 2003, is a strong counter-insurgency program. And a viable counter-insurgency campaign is police work, not the work of regular Army and Marine troops with Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, artillery and air strikes.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. This stupid idiot thinks attacks using car bombs, rockets, and road side bombs can be handled by Police using hand pistols and billy clubs.

But even more than that who will control Iraq if we leave? Will it likely be the Al Qeada? You betcha.

Has anyone figured out why we have not been attacked since 911? It has nothing to do with secure borders. It has to do with the consequences not being worth the cost. Attacking the USA was not worth Afghanistan and Iraq. They don't know what the cost will be if they hit us again while Bush is president. NUKES for all of ISLAM is not out of the question.

So we are safe... for the time being.

If we pull out in defeat then .. we are open game. This nation will be run by surrender monkeys and all the border fences and port inspections will not be worth a pitcher of spit.

Why don't we replace the US army with the New York police department... That ought to counter that insurgency in no time at all.

How would that go "Can I see your drivers license please?"

BOOM


33 posted on 09/01/2006 11:46:13 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: dmz

If we are to judge this war by whether mistakes have been made, and then decide that we should either not have fought this war or we should leave this war, then I would posit that no war in the history of this nation should have been fought. Not even the Revolutionary War. No war is mistake free. To suggest that a war is wrong or not worth fighting because of mistakes is to lose sight of the reason for defending ourselves in the first place. The mistakes made during WWII almost lost the war for us several times. We persevered because the entire nation was in the fight for the long haul, no matter how long it took. Everyone sacrificed, and the politicians did not bicker and fight over stupid partisan ideology. If we lose this war, it will not be because of mistakes made in the war theatre, but in the stupidity of our people back home in not understanding that we have to finish this no matter what mistakes are made. My son is there now, and he might die. But he understands that fighting them there.is much better than fighting them here. When someone is suggesting placing the responsibility for taking care of the Islamo-facist terrorist on a "professional police force" of Iraqis as opposed to a professional military, I say that is a recipe for CUT-AND-RUN of our troops, and it will spell doom for the Iraqi people who want peace. I want our troops home. But I want them to finish the mission first.


34 posted on 09/01/2006 11:47:47 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: jrooney

Bully for him. Go Get Em Rummy.


35 posted on 09/01/2006 11:48:59 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: meandog

"But when your commander in chief and your civilian overlords in the Pentagon refuse to acknowledge any mistakes, they thwart all that training and shut off any possibility of positive change and adaptation."

Okay, so this guy is privy to all that goes on in the Pentagon regarding war plans and preparations?


36 posted on 09/01/2006 11:51:50 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: meandog

"Sen. John McCain is a hawk on Iraq. He doesn't believe an American withdrawal will do anything but encourage our enemies around the world. But McCain, who hopes to be the Republican presidential nominee in 2008, is a realist."


"Just a day after Bush put his cards on the table - a busted flush - McCain bemoaned the administration's predictions that the invasion and occupation of Iraq would be "some kind of day at the beach."

First, noone in the Bush Administration was ever quoted as saying the war in Iraq would be a day at the beach. Quite the contrary, we were told from the start that this would be hard and take a long time. Second, McCain is positioning himself for a run for the Presidency. This will require that he appear Presidential to those loons on the left. He would say anything to try to convince them that he is "fit for command".

This correspondant is spinning, spinning, spinning.


37 posted on 09/01/2006 11:55:13 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Common Tator

I wonder if we are overlooking one of the key differences between "police style" approaches and "military style" approaches.

The military is trained to kill the bad guys, and has less training in working with population to get them on our side. Police are trained to see the bad guys as exceptions to the population, and discover who they are and deal with them. Sounds like what we need are either military guys with some police training, or police with military weapons. Or better yet, more Special Forces, who do have training in working with the local population. It's clear a pure "kill the bad guys" approach isn't the answer.


38 posted on 09/01/2006 11:58:11 AM PDT by retMD
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To: meandog

"McCain, a Navy fighter pilot who spent years in a North Vietnamese prison, recited a devastating litany of ridiculous quotes from Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld about the unfolding disaster in Iraq:

"Stuff happens, Mission Accomplished, Last throes, a few dead-enders."


Said the Arizona senator: "It grieves me so much that we had not told the American people how tough and difficult this task would be."


"Had not. Have not. And will not."

Lie, Lie, Lie. McCain is no longer in Viet Nam. All these quotes that Galloway is using have been taking completely out of context. This is a typical tactic of the left of using subterfuge to confuse the public. This pisses me off because Galloway and his fiends on the left are just further placing my son and his fellow soldiers in more danger than necessary through providing aid and comfort to an enemy who is watching and listening to everything coming out of this country. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS.


39 posted on 09/01/2006 11:59:15 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Common Tator

Hear Hear. Everything you said is the truth. Bully for you.


40 posted on 09/01/2006 12:00:48 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: rj45mis

Oh, please, what is his email address. I'd like to give him my position on his lame a** stupidity.


41 posted on 09/01/2006 12:02:09 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: retMD
Police officers like the NYPD are not trained or equipped to deal with suicide bombers. Maybe swat teams would fair better but there is not enough of them. The approach being done is the only approach that can be made in such a dangerous situation. Train the Iraqi police and Iraqi military to fight the terrorists and death squads and defend their country. That is being done.

People forget it took allot longer in this country to develop a peaceful democracy and we were not dealing with terrorists that like to blow up innocent women and children.
42 posted on 09/01/2006 12:03:46 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: meandog

Purely political article, no sincere advice whatsoever.

Obviously he doesn't give a sh*t about his country anymore.


43 posted on 09/01/2006 12:07:52 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: meandog

Hey MD, why is it every single one of your posts is the EXACT same propaganda being put out by the DNC about Iraq? How come despite the hundreds of posts refuting every single emotional based opinion stated as fact you put up, you still continually do nothing but post the latest DNC propaganda talking point about Iraq?

Joe is making the same mistake you are. He is NOT looking at the facts, he is reading the propaganda posts of the DNC and reporting them as "Fact". They are not fact. YOUR opinion is AN OPINION, not a FACT. LEARN to tell the difference. This habit of you Leftist of simply tuning out ALL facts that refute your emotion based opinons is really intellectually indefensiable.

Here for about the 5th time is the raw data. IT directly refustes your DNC spew about Iraq. THESE are facts, your posts are the OPINIONS of people who know NOTHING about the facts in Iraq.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Security_Forces


44 posted on 09/01/2006 12:08:34 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Elections are more important then the feelings of the POS Cons (Perpetually Offended Syndrome))
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To: meandog

"The president did admit a certain level of personal frustration with the "violence," a.k.a. civil war, that is raging in Iraq while the democratically elected government we installed stands by and watches a nation shake itself apart."

Since when is a "Civil War" run by insurgents from other countries? This is a tired argument without any merit.


45 posted on 09/01/2006 12:12:04 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: dmz

"What's needed, and has been desperately needed since the summer of 2003, is a strong counter-insurgency program. And a viable counter-insurgency campaign is police work, not the work of regular Army and Marine troops with Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, artillery and air strikes."

I've read the entire article. I find no merit in your or his position. Using "cops" to oppose a well organized militia force with command and control from other nations is not a "PLAN". Scorched Earth is the way to deal with people who are quite willing to kill women and children with Iranian manufactured bombs.

Suggesting mistakes have been made is not a problem. Saying that we need to turn this over to "cops" is a problem. Let my son and his fellow soldiers do the job they were trained for.


46 posted on 09/01/2006 12:18:05 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: meandog
Joe's right A change in Iraq war plans is needed. Every time we kill Islamofascist. We wrap the body in pig offal, and bury the body with its feet facing Mecca encased in five yards of concrete. The number of terrorist acts will decrease dramatically.
47 posted on 09/01/2006 12:22:39 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Islamofacists; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

You're too nice.


48 posted on 09/01/2006 12:24:06 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: meandog

I believe what's needed is overwhelming force--evidenced by such a question as: why is Sadarr and his militia still living? I think we could take out most of them--by air--and still can but we must have the political willingness to do the job once and for all. As far as Iran, the same thing. Use what we have to remove enemies. That way we lose fewer troops in the process and take out more islamofascists at the same time. I think we need to make a decision to win and to win, we have to do far more than police anybody. We apparently haven't decided to win, yet.
(Though the left and democrats have already decided to lose).


49 posted on 09/01/2006 12:26:27 PM PDT by BamaAndy (Heart & Iron--the story of America through an ordinary family. ISBN: 1-4137-5397-3)
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To: BamaAndy

Because Counter Insurgency is not Total War. It would be wise for the Arm Chair Generals to learn the difference


50 posted on 09/01/2006 12:28:02 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Elections are more important then the feelings of the POS Cons (Perpetually Offended Syndrome))
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