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Russia-Islam conference condemns US domination
zeenews.com ^ | Aug 31, 2006

Posted on 09/01/2006 2:10:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Kazan(Russia), Aug 31: Officials and religious figures from Russia and more than a dozen Islamic countries kicked off a conference here that organizers said was aimed at deepening their dialogue and defending a "multipolar" world in the face of US power.

"Values cannot be imposed by force," Mintimer Shaimiyev, President of Russia`s mainly Muslim republic of Tatarstan where the three-day conference was being held, said in an opening address to delegates.

"The example of Iraq has shown that democracy can only be the result of internal development. Liberal values can`t be exported like cars. A multipolar world without a system of equilibrium leads to tensions and civil war," Shaimiyev said.

Representatives of more than a dozen Islamic countries, including Iran and Saudi Arabia, converged on Kazan for discussions led by former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov, a veteran diplomat and respected Middle East expert.

In addition to historically close ties with numerous Islamic countries, Russia has 20 million Muslims among a total population of 142 million.

The country also gained observer status in the organization of the Islamic conference in 2005, and "should feel that it is part of the Muslim family," Ravil Gainutdin, President of the Russian Council of Muftis, told news persons.

"As a member of the UN Security Council, Russia will be able to actively defend the rights of Muslims and prevent rules being dictated that they oppose," Gainutdin said.

"The Islamic world wants Russia to return to the role the Soviet Union played in the Muslim world," Gainutdin said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: antiamericanaxis; cccp; chicoms; china; coldwar2; communism; communists; cpsu; ezekiel; ezekiel38; gog; islamofascism; kgb; kgbinkremlin; multipolar; politboro; primakov; putin; redbrowngreenaxis; russia; soviet; soviets; sovietunion; ussr
"Hamas was elected democratically, and I do not consider it to be a terrorist group." - Yevgeny Primakov
1 posted on 09/01/2006 2:10:06 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Terrorists of a feather.


2 posted on 09/01/2006 2:11:07 PM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

On the anniversary of the Beslan horror, to boot.


3 posted on 09/01/2006 2:13:17 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Envy... they wish they're in US position...


4 posted on 09/01/2006 2:14:11 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"Values cannot be imposed by force"

sounds like they need to listen to their own words


5 posted on 09/01/2006 2:14:28 PM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"The Islamic world wants Russia to return to the role the Soviet Union played in the Muslim world,"

Okay. Start with the Afghanistan model when the soviets were pouring money and bullets in your brothers' heads, you loozer.


6 posted on 09/01/2006 2:17:01 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Values cannot be imposed by force

Try telling that to the islamofascists.

7 posted on 09/01/2006 2:17:53 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Not every muslim is an islamofascist, but every islamofascist is a muslim)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It's really to bad this conference was held in Russia - darn. If only the US State Department had heard about it earlier they could have made plans for it to be here in the US instead, maybe at the Rosemont in Chicago.
8 posted on 09/01/2006 2:18:29 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Mintimer Shaimiyev: "Values cannot be imposed by force"

You haven't seen force yet, a**hole. Ask the Japanese if values can be imposed by force.

9 posted on 09/01/2006 2:18:58 PM PDT by LibWhacker (There are no such things as moderate muslims, only jihadis in a larval stage.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
""As a member of the UN Security Council, Russia will be able to actively defend the rights of Muslims and prevent rules being dictated that they oppose," Gainutdin said. "

I think John Bolton and the administration have made clear that we'll take away nuke capability from iran, whether there are sanctions or not. The russkies are bluffing, now. The muzzies have put their faith in leftist lies and worthless promises.

10 posted on 09/01/2006 2:19:42 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putin is dancing with the Devil.


11 posted on 09/01/2006 2:23:32 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How far are they(SOVIETS)from the cold war days?How unrealistic is it for them(SOVIETS)to be arming our mutual enemy?(Beslan not withstanding)


12 posted on 09/01/2006 2:23:59 PM PDT by chrismich2610 (murha to run with hugo chavez)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Dirka, Dirka, you MUST convert to Islam!"


13 posted on 09/01/2006 2:25:49 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Just another evil conservative)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The world is choosing up sides for an upcoming contest, isn't it?

Russia and the rest of the Communists like the Pelosis and Boxers, Old Europe, Islam, all the tinhorn dictators in Latin America and the UN against:

The U.S, England, Australia, Canada, the East European countries, Israel, Japan, Maybe India and South Korea and the Christians .

Caught in the crossfire will be Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, & Mexico.

Africa is having its own little world war all by itself.


14 posted on 09/01/2006 2:27:10 PM PDT by RoadTest (- - - for without victory there is no survival. -Winston Churchill)
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To: paudio

With the help of the Dimocrats, they will be.


15 posted on 09/01/2006 2:30:41 PM PDT by Mr. Keys
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yea yea, we got it, Russia is stirring the pot again.


16 posted on 09/01/2006 2:34:28 PM PDT by Red6
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To: monkeywrench

The Russians are scared to death of the Muslims in their midst. It is interesting that the Tataristan cleric is mouthing off. He is bought and paid for by the Saudi Arabian wahhabists (who used Tariq bin Laden to begn their nfiltration of the Soviet Union in 1990). The Kuwait Society for Social Reforms, a Muslim Brotherhood operation, has been active in Tataristan for years. Its major endeavor has been the construction of the Russian Islamic University in Kazan, the capital of Tataristan itself.


17 posted on 09/01/2006 2:34:52 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wonder when Russia will wake up and realize that they are feeding the crocodile that will turn on them first? (Russia is weaker than the US and therefor a much more likely target for the Islamiacs' next big push after Eurabia is finished.) Apparently that school takeover by the Islamiacs wasn't enough to convince them...


18 posted on 09/01/2006 2:38:26 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Values cannot be imposed by force,"

What a joke! Militant Islam is nothing but imposing values by force! And Saddam imposed everything by force. Did this group complain then? What hypocrites.

19 posted on 09/01/2006 2:42:18 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"Values cannot be imposed by force"

That's not what the muzzies think. Or, do they not think of terrorism as "force"?


20 posted on 09/01/2006 2:44:32 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The way to eliminate dominance by another is to develop your own stuff to at least equality. The islamist world will have to have a reformation or two before it can even begin to think about that.


21 posted on 09/01/2006 2:45:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: verum ago

"Values cannot be imposed by force"

The US supports democracy and freedom. Islamo fascist promote intollerance and hatred. Who's imposing what on whom?


22 posted on 09/01/2006 2:46:29 PM PDT by Firefox1
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To: RoadTest
"Old Europe” despises us because:

1. They are philosophically very socialist in thought and we represent the antithesis of their belief in this system. They preach the merits of socialism in their schools and are forced to somehow explain away the wealth and prosperity of the U.S.

2. Everyone always likes to see the big guy fall. Some of it is down right envy. Look at our military, economy, the number of patents, copyrights, per capita incomes, space program, dominance in culture, Olympics, even the tour de France! Why do you think they really spit on a cancer patient who wins this race over and over?

3. There is some animosity to this day because of those B17 and B24 bomber formations over Germany. The German will of course deny it, but for some odd reason Dresden, firebombings..... does seem to come up often.

But...... When push comes to shove, even France will be with us. They have no choice! Their national interests, their own survival, is tied to ours. They can despise us all they want, their rise and fall is tied to ours even if some there are too stupid to understand this. In the end, they will stand by our side. They largely already are.
23 posted on 09/01/2006 2:48:25 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Firefox1

i was making the same point everybody else who used that quote was. The "force" in question is that used by our enemies to try to make us submit to their ideologies.


24 posted on 09/01/2006 2:49:59 PM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: piytar
"Wonder when Russia will wake up and realize that they are feeding the crocodile that will turn on them first? "

Russia is one thing. But what about Europe. If we think it is bad now, wait until Iran actually has the bomb. There will be so much sucking up to Iran by the cowards in Europe it will make your skin crawl. When Iran says jump they will say how high? When Iran rattles their saber at the U.S. Europe will be right behind them. I have zero trust in Europe now but after Iran gets the bomb I expect Europe to be so afraid of Iran that they will turn against us once and for all. I hope I am wrong.

25 posted on 09/01/2006 2:50:36 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Red6
"But...... When push comes to shove, even France will be with us. They have no choice! Their national interests, their own survival, is tied to ours. They can despise us all they want, their rise and fall is tied to ours even if some there are too stupid to understand this. In the end, they will stand by our side. They largely already are."

I hope you are right and I am wrong. I am afraid Europe will dither and dialogue until Iran gets the bomb and then Europe will be even more afraid to stand up to Iran, because Iran has the bomb.

26 posted on 09/01/2006 2:53:44 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: verum ago

"Values cannot be imposed by force"

LOL - They should know! 'Communism'; been there, done that.


27 posted on 09/01/2006 3:11:25 PM PDT by hardworking (Sneak up on a Muslim - pray for their conversion to Christianity)
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To: RoadTest

I agree wholeheartedly with the exception of Canada,and their asylum laws and their ignored by police muslim ghettos.


28 posted on 09/01/2006 3:32:37 PM PDT by chrismich2610 (murha to run with hugo chavez)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Russia-Islam conference condemns US domination"

Nice to see the seeds of future Bible prophecy being fulfilled in my lifetime! See Ezekiel chapters 38 - 39; it is NOT going to end well for the Russian/Islaomofascist alliance, the beginnings of which we are seeing take place right before our very eyes

29 posted on 09/01/2006 3:46:15 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Understanding Old Europe: Chamberlain-

They will wait and eventually the threat will grow as it already has been over the last 20 years. Europe today already has a serious internal Islamic threat, even though the pan European supra nationalist moron on these forums will deny it. They will wait until the foreign threat grows. Libya, Iran, Lebanon.... these are real issues and today it's simply the American who is sticking his neck out, and since we are the one leading the pact and doing the killing in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places, we are the primary target for retaliation. Eventually they will become the target more and more, especially if we withdraw which ironically they wish for. After all, THEY are the ones that are resource dependent, have larger Muslim populations, are within TBM range, and have large open porous boarders. To the Islamist they are in fact lower than dirt; the secularist is not even a “person of the book” in the eyes of the radical interpretations of Islam. They today simply stand in our shadow and dispense lots of advice and fake grieve full of Schadenfreude as they watch us struggle. Eventually things will change, and when they do, ultimately they will have no choice, since this “is” a war of civilizations.

Old Europe will wait until reality explodes in their face. Just like they do not want to change their fundamental economic structure and cling to socialism despite its failure, they today cling to an illusion where there is no threat. Eventually reality has a tendency to catch up with you. It’s only a matter of time. The unfortunate part is that things would go a lot easier if we worked together and dealt with the issues at hand proactively but instead the provincially thinking “Old Europe” will only reluctantly do what it must as they did in Afghanistan after 911. Even had the terrorist attack in Germany recently been successful, the German might have even then somehow pinned the blame on the US, their new Jew to blame everything for. For the time being ulterior motives, petty internal political games, and penis envy, is blinding their good judgment. My point is that they are already doing a little today, but if we fail or quit, it will be they who will find their backs against the wall in the future and in a fight for their existence. Either way, they are with us.
30 posted on 09/01/2006 4:14:01 PM PDT by Red6
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To: piytar
Wonder when Russia will wake up and realize that they are feeding the crocodile that will turn on them first? (Russia is weaker than the US and therefor a much more likely target for the Islamiacs' next big push after Eurabia is finished.) Apparently that school takeover by the Islamiacs wasn't enough to convince them...

The Russians learned how to be brutal from their Islamic Tartar overlords centuries ago. The Russians remain grateful for the lessons from their Muslim teachers. The Russian mind is much sloser to the Islamic East than the Christian West.

31 posted on 09/01/2006 4:24:48 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Red6

"My point is that they are already doing a little today, but if we fail or quit, it will be they who will find their backs against the wall in the future and in a fight for their existence. Either way, they are with us."

Well you have made a good case. Thanks for your thoughtful remarks.


32 posted on 09/01/2006 7:01:25 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: stripes1776
"The Russians learned how to be brutal from their Islamic Tartar overlords centuries ago. The Russians remain grateful for the lessons from their Muslim teachers. The Russian mind is much closer to the Islamic East than the Christian West."

Perfectly stated.

(Putin) "Thanks for the payoff" (Mullah) "Thanks for the Russian nuclear advisors"

33 posted on 09/01/2006 9:27:47 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: Red6

You speak a lot of truths there.


34 posted on 09/02/2006 4:04:48 AM PDT by RoadTest (- - - for without victory there is no survival. -Winston Churchill)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
I know this is somewhat dated, but I felt it was important to bring your attention to this story.

Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added or removed from the list, please FReepmail me!!!!

35 posted on 09/13/2006 9:39:31 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Tailgunner Joe; stm; M. Espinola
"terrorists of a feather . . .," is correct. Did you see that Cuba was hosting a 114 nation conference today. These nations signed a formal declaration requesting the definition of terrorism be broadened: To target the U.S. and Israeli military operations opposing terror attacks. Read report?. Cuba, Venezuela, Russia and now most of the middle east oppose U.S. policies. Putin is a KGB @sswipe! 'Nuff said.
36 posted on 09/13/2006 9:51:12 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Values cannot be imposed by force," Mintimer Shaimiyev, President of Russia`s mainly Muslim republic of Tatarstan where the three-day conference was being held, said in an opening address to delegates.

Well! Just Damn! How do you explain this, Mr. Shaimiyev???

"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14)

"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)


37 posted on 09/13/2006 9:54:37 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Communist love to play one culture against the other and then side with the one that wins.


38 posted on 09/13/2006 9:55:11 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny

It is not the playing of cultures against one another, it is the genuine civilizational affinity. On Huntingtonian level different civilizations [Islamic, Sinic, Orthodox] are at their core "asiatic despotisms" and thus experience genuine and understandable attraction, despite whatever frictions they might have at any given moment. To a great extent they speak a common sociological language and thus could easily understand one another. A sultan[ [or a tsar, or a politburo boss] is understood to take heads off - it is a common part of the job description.


39 posted on 09/14/2006 12:24:32 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: stm

Eze 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:3 and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh [RUSSIA], Meshech, and Tubal:
Eze 38:4 and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armour, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords:
Eze 38:5 Persia [IRAN], Cush, and Put with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his hordes; the house of Togarmah [TURKEY]in the uttermost parts of the north, and all his hordes: even many peoples with thee.
Eze 38:7 Be thou prepared, yea, prepare thyself, thou, and all thy companies that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, that is gathered out of many peoples, upon the mountains of Israel, which have been a continual waste: but it is brought forth out of the peoples, and they shall dwell securely, all of them.
Eze 38:9 And thou shalt ascend, thou shalt come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy hordes, and many peoples with thee.
Eze 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD: It shall come to pass in that day, that things shall come into thy mind, and thou shalt devise an evil device:
Eze 38:11 and thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at quiet, that dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates:
Eze 38:12 to take the spoil and to take the prey; to turn thine hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and against the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the middle of the earth.
Eze 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish; with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take the spoil? hast thou assembled thy company to take the prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take great spoil?
Eze 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD: In that day when my people Israel dwelleth securely, shalt thou not know it?
Eze 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the uttermost parts of the north, thou, and many peoples with thee, all of them riding upon horses; a great company and a mighty army:
Eze 38:16 and thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring thee against my land, that the nations may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Eze 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD: Art thou he of whom I spake in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring thee against them?
Eze 38:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up into my nostrils.
Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
Eze 38:20 so that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
Eze 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him unto all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.
Eze 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood: and I will rain upon him, and upon his hordes, and upon the many peoples that are with him, an overflowing shower, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
Eze 38:23 And I will magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will make myself known in the eyes of many nations; and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Eze 39:1 And thou, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal:
Eze 39:2 and I will turn thee about, and will lead thee on, and will cause thee to come up from the uttermost parts of the north; and I will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
Eze 39:3 and I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy hordes, and the peoples that are with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field; for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and on them that dwell securely in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 39:7 And my holy name will I make known in the midst of my people Israel; neither will I suffer my holy name to be profaned any more: and the nations shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.


40 posted on 09/14/2006 12:43:33 AM PDT by razorbak
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To: GSlob

I think you must have misinterpreted what I was saying or maybe I was not clear. When I said cultures I meant the Communists play the East against West, Christians against Muslims, blacks against whites, what ever one culture/life style/religion/etc. is against the other.


41 posted on 09/14/2006 1:41:19 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny
Well, and I was trying to look deeper, beyond the tactics: to the basic predilection for picking all kinds of tyrannical baboons as clients - from early mao and nasser, to asads, quaddafis, kims, miloseviches, saddams, mengistus, khmer rouge, and castros to the current iranians, mugabes, chaveses and the like. The list could be expanded to include the Chinese clients. Could one remember a single case of them picking someone decent? Thus one could speak of fundamental indecency of the civilizations involved, and of their alliance based on it.
42 posted on 09/14/2006 2:06:15 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Dustbunny

Ain't that the truth - scratch an antisemite, or a Pole basher or a Uke basher and one usually finds a Kremlin patina.


43 posted on 09/14/2006 8:11:48 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: ex-Texan
The extended Axis of Evil pow-wow in Havana would be an excellent target, including their Russian benefactors.
45 posted on 09/15/2006 6:48:49 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: RoadTest
Ezekiel 38:1-6

The word of the Lord came to me; Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army - your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops - the many nations with you.'

46 posted on 09/15/2006 6:54:41 PM PDT by OKSooner
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