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Russia-Islam conference condemns US domination
zeenews.com ^ | Aug 31, 2006

Posted on 09/01/2006 2:10:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe

The way to eliminate dominance by another is to develop your own stuff to at least equality. The islamist world will have to have a reformation or two before it can even begin to think about that.


21 posted on 09/01/2006 2:45:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: verum ago

"Values cannot be imposed by force"

The US supports democracy and freedom. Islamo fascist promote intollerance and hatred. Who's imposing what on whom?


22 posted on 09/01/2006 2:46:29 PM PDT by Firefox1
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To: RoadTest
"Old Europe” despises us because:

1. They are philosophically very socialist in thought and we represent the antithesis of their belief in this system. They preach the merits of socialism in their schools and are forced to somehow explain away the wealth and prosperity of the U.S.

2. Everyone always likes to see the big guy fall. Some of it is down right envy. Look at our military, economy, the number of patents, copyrights, per capita incomes, space program, dominance in culture, Olympics, even the tour de France! Why do you think they really spit on a cancer patient who wins this race over and over?

3. There is some animosity to this day because of those B17 and B24 bomber formations over Germany. The German will of course deny it, but for some odd reason Dresden, firebombings..... does seem to come up often.

But...... When push comes to shove, even France will be with us. They have no choice! Their national interests, their own survival, is tied to ours. They can despise us all they want, their rise and fall is tied to ours even if some there are too stupid to understand this. In the end, they will stand by our side. They largely already are.
23 posted on 09/01/2006 2:48:25 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Firefox1

i was making the same point everybody else who used that quote was. The "force" in question is that used by our enemies to try to make us submit to their ideologies.


24 posted on 09/01/2006 2:49:59 PM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: piytar
"Wonder when Russia will wake up and realize that they are feeding the crocodile that will turn on them first? "

Russia is one thing. But what about Europe. If we think it is bad now, wait until Iran actually has the bomb. There will be so much sucking up to Iran by the cowards in Europe it will make your skin crawl. When Iran says jump they will say how high? When Iran rattles their saber at the U.S. Europe will be right behind them. I have zero trust in Europe now but after Iran gets the bomb I expect Europe to be so afraid of Iran that they will turn against us once and for all. I hope I am wrong.

25 posted on 09/01/2006 2:50:36 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: Red6
"But...... When push comes to shove, even France will be with us. They have no choice! Their national interests, their own survival, is tied to ours. They can despise us all they want, their rise and fall is tied to ours even if some there are too stupid to understand this. In the end, they will stand by our side. They largely already are."

I hope you are right and I am wrong. I am afraid Europe will dither and dialogue until Iran gets the bomb and then Europe will be even more afraid to stand up to Iran, because Iran has the bomb.

26 posted on 09/01/2006 2:53:44 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: verum ago

"Values cannot be imposed by force"

LOL - They should know! 'Communism'; been there, done that.


27 posted on 09/01/2006 3:11:25 PM PDT by hardworking (Sneak up on a Muslim - pray for their conversion to Christianity)
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To: RoadTest

I agree wholeheartedly with the exception of Canada,and their asylum laws and their ignored by police muslim ghettos.


28 posted on 09/01/2006 3:32:37 PM PDT by chrismich2610 (murha to run with hugo chavez)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Russia-Islam conference condemns US domination"

Nice to see the seeds of future Bible prophecy being fulfilled in my lifetime! See Ezekiel chapters 38 - 39; it is NOT going to end well for the Russian/Islaomofascist alliance, the beginnings of which we are seeing take place right before our very eyes

29 posted on 09/01/2006 3:46:15 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Understanding Old Europe: Chamberlain-

They will wait and eventually the threat will grow as it already has been over the last 20 years. Europe today already has a serious internal Islamic threat, even though the pan European supra nationalist moron on these forums will deny it. They will wait until the foreign threat grows. Libya, Iran, Lebanon.... these are real issues and today it's simply the American who is sticking his neck out, and since we are the one leading the pact and doing the killing in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places, we are the primary target for retaliation. Eventually they will become the target more and more, especially if we withdraw which ironically they wish for. After all, THEY are the ones that are resource dependent, have larger Muslim populations, are within TBM range, and have large open porous boarders. To the Islamist they are in fact lower than dirt; the secularist is not even a “person of the book” in the eyes of the radical interpretations of Islam. They today simply stand in our shadow and dispense lots of advice and fake grieve full of Schadenfreude as they watch us struggle. Eventually things will change, and when they do, ultimately they will have no choice, since this “is” a war of civilizations.

Old Europe will wait until reality explodes in their face. Just like they do not want to change their fundamental economic structure and cling to socialism despite its failure, they today cling to an illusion where there is no threat. Eventually reality has a tendency to catch up with you. It’s only a matter of time. The unfortunate part is that things would go a lot easier if we worked together and dealt with the issues at hand proactively but instead the provincially thinking “Old Europe” will only reluctantly do what it must as they did in Afghanistan after 911. Even had the terrorist attack in Germany recently been successful, the German might have even then somehow pinned the blame on the US, their new Jew to blame everything for. For the time being ulterior motives, petty internal political games, and penis envy, is blinding their good judgment. My point is that they are already doing a little today, but if we fail or quit, it will be they who will find their backs against the wall in the future and in a fight for their existence. Either way, they are with us.
30 posted on 09/01/2006 4:14:01 PM PDT by Red6
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To: piytar
Wonder when Russia will wake up and realize that they are feeding the crocodile that will turn on them first? (Russia is weaker than the US and therefor a much more likely target for the Islamiacs' next big push after Eurabia is finished.) Apparently that school takeover by the Islamiacs wasn't enough to convince them...

The Russians learned how to be brutal from their Islamic Tartar overlords centuries ago. The Russians remain grateful for the lessons from their Muslim teachers. The Russian mind is much sloser to the Islamic East than the Christian West.

31 posted on 09/01/2006 4:24:48 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Red6

"My point is that they are already doing a little today, but if we fail or quit, it will be they who will find their backs against the wall in the future and in a fight for their existence. Either way, they are with us."

Well you have made a good case. Thanks for your thoughtful remarks.


32 posted on 09/01/2006 7:01:25 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles (A)
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To: stripes1776
"The Russians learned how to be brutal from their Islamic Tartar overlords centuries ago. The Russians remain grateful for the lessons from their Muslim teachers. The Russian mind is much closer to the Islamic East than the Christian West."

Perfectly stated.

(Putin) "Thanks for the payoff" (Mullah) "Thanks for the Russian nuclear advisors"

33 posted on 09/01/2006 9:27:47 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: Red6

You speak a lot of truths there.


34 posted on 09/02/2006 4:04:48 AM PDT by RoadTest (- - - for without victory there is no survival. -Winston Churchill)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
I know this is somewhat dated, but I felt it was important to bring your attention to this story.

Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added or removed from the list, please FReepmail me!!!!

35 posted on 09/13/2006 9:39:31 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Tailgunner Joe; stm; M. Espinola
"terrorists of a feather . . .," is correct. Did you see that Cuba was hosting a 114 nation conference today. These nations signed a formal declaration requesting the definition of terrorism be broadened: To target the U.S. and Israeli military operations opposing terror attacks. Read report?. Cuba, Venezuela, Russia and now most of the middle east oppose U.S. policies. Putin is a KGB @sswipe! 'Nuff said.
36 posted on 09/13/2006 9:51:12 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Values cannot be imposed by force," Mintimer Shaimiyev, President of Russia`s mainly Muslim republic of Tatarstan where the three-day conference was being held, said in an opening address to delegates.

Well! Just Damn! How do you explain this, Mr. Shaimiyev???

"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14)

"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)


37 posted on 09/13/2006 9:54:37 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Communist love to play one culture against the other and then side with the one that wins.


38 posted on 09/13/2006 9:55:11 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny

It is not the playing of cultures against one another, it is the genuine civilizational affinity. On Huntingtonian level different civilizations [Islamic, Sinic, Orthodox] are at their core "asiatic despotisms" and thus experience genuine and understandable attraction, despite whatever frictions they might have at any given moment. To a great extent they speak a common sociological language and thus could easily understand one another. A sultan[ [or a tsar, or a politburo boss] is understood to take heads off - it is a common part of the job description.


39 posted on 09/14/2006 12:24:32 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: stm

Eze 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:3 and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh [RUSSIA], Meshech, and Tubal:
Eze 38:4 and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armour, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords:
Eze 38:5 Persia [IRAN], Cush, and Put with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
Eze 38:6 Gomer, and all his hordes; the house of Togarmah [TURKEY]in the uttermost parts of the north, and all his hordes: even many peoples with thee.
Eze 38:7 Be thou prepared, yea, prepare thyself, thou, and all thy companies that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, that is gathered out of many peoples, upon the mountains of Israel, which have been a continual waste: but it is brought forth out of the peoples, and they shall dwell securely, all of them.
Eze 38:9 And thou shalt ascend, thou shalt come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy hordes, and many peoples with thee.
Eze 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD: It shall come to pass in that day, that things shall come into thy mind, and thou shalt devise an evil device:
Eze 38:11 and thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at quiet, that dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates:
Eze 38:12 to take the spoil and to take the prey; to turn thine hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and against the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the middle of the earth.
Eze 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish; with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take the spoil? hast thou assembled thy company to take the prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take great spoil?
Eze 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD: In that day when my people Israel dwelleth securely, shalt thou not know it?
Eze 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the uttermost parts of the north, thou, and many peoples with thee, all of them riding upon horses; a great company and a mighty army:
Eze 38:16 and thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring thee against my land, that the nations may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Eze 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD: Art thou he of whom I spake in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring thee against them?
Eze 38:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up into my nostrils.
Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
Eze 38:20 so that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
Eze 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him unto all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.
Eze 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood: and I will rain upon him, and upon his hordes, and upon the many peoples that are with him, an overflowing shower, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
Eze 38:23 And I will magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will make myself known in the eyes of many nations; and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Eze 39:1 And thou, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal:
Eze 39:2 and I will turn thee about, and will lead thee on, and will cause thee to come up from the uttermost parts of the north; and I will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
Eze 39:3 and I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy hordes, and the peoples that are with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Eze 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field; for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and on them that dwell securely in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 39:7 And my holy name will I make known in the midst of my people Israel; neither will I suffer my holy name to be profaned any more: and the nations shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.


40 posted on 09/14/2006 12:43:33 AM PDT by razorbak
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