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Townhall.com ^ | August 31, 2006 | Cam Edwards

Posted on 09/01/2006 2:16:47 PM PDT by neverdem

When is an anti-gunner a pro-gun advocate? The obvious answer is never, but that’s too simple a response. The actual answer is “any time a member of the media wants to portray the anti-gunner in a pro-gun light”. Take, for example, a new article in The New Republic entitled “Gun Crazy: The Revolt Against the NRA” by Michael Blanding. Blanding, a freelance writer from Boston, profiles the group calling itself American Hunters and Shooters Association. AHSA bills itself as a “moderate alternative to the NRA”, but in reality it’s an organization founded by leaders in the anti-gun movement who have strong ties to the Brady Campaign.

Blanding’s article calls John Rosenthal, the president of AHSA’s foundation, a “Boston real estate developer who served a stint on the board of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.” But the article also quotes Rosenthal as saying he left the Brady Campaign because of the organization’s “extreme anti-gun stance”. Blanding leaves out any mention of the fact that Rosenthal created, and still runs, the Massachusetts-based outfit known as Stop Handgun Violence. Despite the fact that Blanding is from Boston, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps Rosenthal didn’t volunteer that information and Blanding simply didn’t do his research. Then I found an article in Boston Magazine from February 2006 entitled “Straight Shooter”. It’s a glowing profile of John Rosenthal, complete with many mentions of his work with Stop Handgun Violence, and Michael Blanding wrote it.

In May of this year Blanding wrote another piece for Boston Magazine called “The Ways of the Gun”, in which he makes the case that Boston’s rising crime rate is the fault of other states with less restrictive gun laws. In that article Blanding describes Rosenthal as an “anti-gun activist”, but now he’s a pro-gun moderate alternative to the NRA. Why? Because Blanding didn’t write a TNR article about the need for more gun control, he wrote an article about liberals trying to woo gun-owners. To accurately portray Rosenthal as someone who helped pass Massachusetts’ Gun Control Act of 1998 does nothing to win the hearts and minds of gun owners.

Blanding commits the same sin of omission when describing AHSA’s Executive Director, Robert Ricker. Ricker is described as “a former NRA general counsel and lobbyist for the firearms industry”, which is incorrect. Ricker spent a brief period of time as one of the attorneys in the General Counsel’s office, but was never general counsel himself. Blanding fails to mention that Ricker switched sides, so to speak, back in the late 1990’s, and has since testified as an expert witness for those hoping to hold gun manufacturers and sellers responsible for the actions of criminals. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA’s Executive Director, wrote an article about AHSA (found here) in which he details testimony Ricker gave in a 2005 deposition. Ricker testified that his two biggest clients were the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence (part of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence) and the group Virginians for Public Safety. Ricker also testified that AHSA was another of his clients, and paid him $3,000 a month for his services. Again, Blanding apparently didn’t want to let his readers know Ricker’s entire background.

I realize that for Blanding, AHSA represents a new and exciting attempt to mislead gun owners (we’re talking about a writer who once penned a “Culture of Life Top Ten” wish list for the ultra-lefty Alternet, in which he expressed his desire that Congress would pass Massachusetts-style gun control laws). New or not, AHSA is trying to deceive gun owners into buying into an anti-gun movement and to give anti-gun politicians a bit of pro-gun cover. From the tens of thousands of dollars its leaders have donated to candidates like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Nancy Pelosi to the fact that the press contact for this supposedly non-partisan organization is also the head of the Fairfax City (Virginia) Democratic Committee, American Hunters and Shooters Association isn’t out to protect your rights. They’re out to deceive you, and Michael Blanding appears happy to help.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: ahsa; banglist; drivebymedia; johnrosenthal; lies; michaelblanding; robertricker; stophandgunviolence

1 posted on 09/01/2006 2:16:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Joe Brower
BANG!
2 posted on 09/01/2006 2:17:38 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

My gosh. I forgot how many deaths each year are caused by law-abiding gun owners! We need to shut them down! And think of the savings in correctional costs we obtain when gangbangers kill each other. The key is to let them bleed in the street, or insist ambulances observe the speed limit answering another call to a Darwinian dispute.


3 posted on 09/01/2006 2:19:58 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: neverdem
AHSA

Hmmm, the American Horse Show Association (AHSA) might take exception at the use of those letters. And they've been around for a very long time.

4 posted on 09/01/2006 2:20:33 PM PDT by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: neverdem

LOL! Leftists are so fracking stupid they think they are deceiving people. LOL! LOL!


5 posted on 09/01/2006 2:30:54 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: neverdem

I simply can't believe that our own media would lie to us!

How could they?

:: sobs ::


6 posted on 09/01/2006 2:34:10 PM PDT by IncPen (Bush Iraq Truth WMD http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: neverdem
This month's NRA mag (American Shooter) does a good piece on this ridiculous attempt at incrementalism (at best) or more likely pure deceit (at worst) by the gun banners at AHSA.

When will these gun banners learn that us NRA members and 2nd Amendment advocates aren't quite as stupid as they believe? Oh, that's right, they think that we are all knuckle-dragging cavemen being dupped by the all-powerful "gun industry," which really isn't all that big or powerful.

Wonder if they will ever realize that the NRA's real power comes from the well informed grass roots that form the foundation of the organization? Probably not -- would take too big of an adjustment in their thinking feeling process.

7 posted on 09/01/2006 2:36:02 PM PDT by piytar
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To: neverdem

Socialists have killed more people than guns have.


8 posted on 09/01/2006 2:41:46 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

See the interesting Wikipedia listing for this front-group:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Hunters_and_Shooters_Association


9 posted on 09/01/2006 2:48:22 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: neverdem
China's 2nd Amendment...That's what these socialists really want for the US.


10 posted on 09/01/2006 2:49:50 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: docbnj

Wilkepedia is an interesting info source. I saw some bizarre things on their about Bush. I think it was asking people for info to put on their. Really weird.


11 posted on 09/01/2006 2:51:19 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: piytar

Hate telling you this but Free Republic has a real simpleton on it's membership. He thinks if everyone quits the NRA, somehow they will join another pro-gun group. It doesn't work that way as many already know.

The last post he made about the NRA, he said Sarah Brady was preferred over the NRA.

Like I said, a real simpleton.

I wonder if he joined AHSA?


12 posted on 09/01/2006 3:10:24 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: AFreeBird
Hmmm, the American Horse Show Association (AHSA) might take exception at the use of those letters. And they've been around for a very long time.

The American Horse Shows Association (AHSA) changed its name to "USA Equestrian" in 2001, and then two years later was disbanded. The governing body is now the United States Equestrian Federation.

13 posted on 09/01/2006 3:52:23 PM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: mugs99

At least the Chinese tank drivers hesitated, unlike the Soviet ones. :-(


14 posted on 09/01/2006 3:53:55 PM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: Gondring

Yeah, I wonder what happened to the driver of that tank...


15 posted on 09/01/2006 4:01:34 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

"My gosh. I forgot how many deaths each year are caused by law-abiding gun owners! We need to shut them down! And think of the savings in correctional costs we obtain when gangbangers kill each other. The key is to let them bleed in the street, or insist ambulances observe the speed limit answering another call to a Darwinian dispute."

here here

Should also teach the gangbangers how to shoot. It would cut down on innocents being hit.


16 posted on 09/01/2006 4:06:04 PM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: neverdem

See my post on "Beware AHSA!" for more extensive details. I especially recommend the triggerfinger.org and John Lott's comments on how AHSA is a Democrat Trojan Horse:

http://triggerfinger.org/weblog/entry/6695.jsp be sure to check out his hotlinks to John Lott's website and his links about how they changed their domain registration to hide their true nature as a Democratic front http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/08/...n-of-fake.html. For triggerfinger you have to keep clicking on the hotlinks and read them through to get to all the details. I've put much of his original post below, when you go to his site many of the phrases will open up as hotlinks to source webpages.


17 posted on 09/01/2006 4:25:49 PM PDT by Oakleaf
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To: petro45acp

"Should also teach the gangbangers how to shoot. It would cut down on innocents being hit."

My goodness! You've got something there. I'm sure there is federal money available, plus maybeyou could combine Midnight Basketball and, thus two birds with one crack stone, or is it rock?


18 posted on 09/01/2006 4:34:45 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: Gondring
United States Equestrian Federation.

rebranding. did wonders for "sanitation engineers."

19 posted on 09/01/2006 5:02:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (*speechless*)
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To: Oakleaf

Lott's link doesn't work.


20 posted on 09/01/2006 5:18:31 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Hello I don't know if I am doing this right. This is my first post at this site and I hope that it is OK to post here and I am doing it right.
I won't go on too long but to say that my support of the 2nd ammendment is the origins of my becoming a political conservative. Once I found out liberals were lying about firearms it was not a stretch to find out they were wrong about pretty much everything else.
anyway I hope that I am not intruding or treading on anyone's toes by posting....riverdog


21 posted on 09/01/2006 7:58:07 PM PDT by riverdog
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To: riverdog

I have the honor of being the first to welcome you to FReeReplic.com . Good luck! The Second Amendment is probably most responsible for my voting habits and screen-name. Adios


22 posted on 09/01/2006 8:10:44 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: riverdog

FReeReplic.com was supposed to be FReeRepublic.com . I'm usually a good speller, but you'll find that being a good proofreader of your own text is not easy.


23 posted on 09/01/2006 8:13:55 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
whew! thanks, I was not sure if I was posting right or if I should just jump in or not. I am kinda new to this computer posting thing but I have my battle honors being blocked by some liberal sites who I just did not see eye to eye with at all.
I believe that any politician who gets elected to uphold the Constitution then enacts or votes for anti-2nd ammendment bills should be thrown out and jailed for violating the oath.
Like I said my first awakening way back that I despised liberal ideology is when they went after the 2nd. I have been shooting responsibly and safely since I was four so I have about 46 years of experience to pretty much know what I am talking about. I am no expert but I do know that firearms ownership by resposible citizen's is NOT the problem. Anti- 2nd ammendment politicians are.
thanks for the welcome!
24 posted on 09/01/2006 8:20:21 PM PDT by riverdog
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To: riverdog

BTW, go look after the article and find KEYWORDS: AHSA; BANGLIST; etc.

To check out articles about things that go bang and the related politics, enter banglist, smallcase letters are OK, then do a keyword search on it. You'll fing this column and similar fare. Save it in the "Favorites" of your toolbar, if you're so inclined. That's what I did.


25 posted on 09/01/2006 8:27:01 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

thanks. I just took a guess that the "banglist" might have to do with firearms and I lucked out. While I like pride myself on taking liberal leftards to task on almost everything their anti-gun postion is the one that comes up first on my "to do list". I will have to poke around this site and see what I can find. It seems nice to be among like minded folks for a change after some of the leftist sites I tried posting on. Just say one thing (well I said a lot of things) that they disagree with and they are like rabid coyotes on a carcass.


26 posted on 09/01/2006 8:34:34 PM PDT by riverdog
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To: neverdem

Sorry about that. I am reposting the John Lott URL directly from his site; I have just checked it in Preview mode and it is live. To save time I am posting the text below. If you search his archives for August 2005 he has several postings on AHSA starting on the thrid. The one below has the best info:

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/08/democrats-change-registration-of-fake.html

8/6/2005
Democrats change registration of fake website used to support gun control policies.

On August 3rd I posted some information that appears to indicate that Democrats had set up what appears to be a gun owners website that advocates some of the Democrats favorite gun control regulations. In some ways this site reminds me of the fradulent website that gun control advocates set up during 2003 where they pretended to be me and send out emails under my name. A friend of mine has done some additional searching today about the www.huntersandshooters.com website and sent me an update indicating that some aspects of the site's registration have been changing:

"1. The web site huntersandshooters.com is presently (8-5-2005) registered
through GoDaddy.com to one Robert Ricker at a PO box in Frederick, MD. . . .

4. [This friend] can confirm that "the" Ricker has indeed shown up to give anti-gun
testimony before legislative committees in Annapolis, as recently as the
most recent session (which ended in April.) He has a Maryland connection.

5. . . . [This friend now finds] at least one anti-gun group link to huntersandshooters.com."

Ken Maurer writes me that:

"First, Bob Ricker is listed on the web site as one of their Executive Director, complete with a bio that reads as if he's one of the movers and shakers of "the gun lobby". Jody Powell (from Carter's White House staff) is also listed as one of their leaders, while Joe Rosenthal is listed as their Foundation Director. (This probably means that anyone trying to follow the money trail would discover he's the primary funder of the effort.) Finally, while both have been changed to Bob Ricker now as you indicated, when I checked their "whois" information on 8/1 the administrative and technical contacts for their site were listed as being DCCongressional."
posted by John Lott at 12:09 AM


27 posted on 09/02/2006 3:20:42 AM PDT by Oakleaf
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To: neverdem
The Drive By Media keeps peddling lies. But they don't have as much impact because now they can be quickly exposed.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

28 posted on 09/02/2006 3:27:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

More from John Lott on AHSA and DLC (Democrat Leadership Council relationships):

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005_08_01_johnrlott_archive.html

8/3/2005
Democrats set up fake organizations to support gun control policies

Below is some information that was sent to me. I haven't had time to check these claims out.

UPDATE: Other updated discussions on this misleading website can be found at here and here. The first link has information by Dan Z that, among other things, "American Hunters and Shooters Association's (AHSA) president, John E. Rosenthal, is also the founder of Stop Handgun Violence, Inc."



Democratic Leadership Council use PR firm to push more Gun Laws

A Washington based PR Firm called DCS - Internet Advocacy Group thats used by a list of who's who in the Democrat party as well as the official PR firm for the Democrat leadership Council (DLC) that Sen. Hillary Clinton is the 'Chair' member as well as reportedly hand pick DCS to do ALL of the DLC PR work.

DCS Has register a bogus 'Pro-Gun' sportsmen group in the attempt to make it appear as hunters and trap shooters are in favor of Assault weapon 'bans as well as other anti gun related issues.

By creating this made up group called The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA), who will inevitably be used in future Democrat led anti gun campaigns in the near future as so called 'expert' witnesses or a 'sane' voice of sportsmen. just so the anti gun democrats can grandstand for gun control non-issues via their willing accomplishes in the press. I'd imagine the closer we get to the '08' presidential election the more (AHSA) will be in the news.

Dick Morris , former Clinton PR man has stated numerously how the Democrats and Sen. Hillary have personally created made up Internet based advocacy groups repeatedly in the past to drum up false public support to site at their press conferences and Senate hearings, just so the Democrats will get their names put out in the news. According to Morris, During the Clinton administration there was a brainstorming group under then first lady Hillary's oversight inside the white house who did this kind of fabricated PR all the time.

So who did DCS make as the head of their bogus gun group, well none other than John Rosenthal, Co founder of Stop Handgun Violence (SHV). SHV has supported every anti-second amendment rights bill since the organizations creation.The personal pet anti gun group of the anti-gun Democrats.

The following background on all involved was uncovered.

[1.] The bogus Pro gun group: The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 200, Washington, District of Columbia 20003 As listed on their website and on their domain name registration.

Its domain name: http://www.huntersandshooters.com was registered on 25-Apr-05 by Registrant:DCS - Internet Advocacy Group, 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE,suite 200,Washington, District of Columbia

20003 As listed on DCS website and on their domain name registration.
DCS website is located here: http://dcscongressional.com/

[2.] The Democrat Leadership Council http://www.dlc.org/
is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 400, Washington, District of Columbia 20003 As listed on their website and on their domain name registration.

[3.] The PR Firm called DCS- Internet Advocacy Group http://dcscongressional.com/
is located at: 600 Pennsylvania Ave SE, suite 200, Washington, District of Columbia 20003

[4.] So ALL three groups:The Democrat leadership council (DLC) , DCS - Internet Advocacy Group and The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) Are located in the same building and all three groups are pushing to take away your rights via their made up causes for the sake of getting their faces in the news.

According to Bernstein Management Corp. the Property Managements website: http://www.bernsteinmgmt.com/
Location: 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, SE Washington, DC,
Contact Number: (202) 363-6301 Austin Herndon

Please click through on the main link to get the original source for this.
posted by John Lott at 3:00 PM


29 posted on 09/02/2006 3:57:35 AM PDT by Oakleaf
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To: Oakleaf

"In May of this year Blanding wrote another piece for Boston Magazine...."

At what point do you suppose Boston Magazine's advertisers will realize they are abetting fraudulent and negligent reporting.....


30 posted on 09/02/2006 5:16:13 AM PDT by mo
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To: riverdog

Welcome aboard!


31 posted on 09/02/2006 8:00:42 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Statists are Ameba's.)
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To: piytar


NRA Bump!


32 posted on 09/02/2006 12:22:37 PM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: neverdem; All

NRA Free Hunters

33 posted on 09/02/2006 12:36:43 PM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: riverdog

Or you can just click on the link and then bookmark it. Welcome.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=banglist


34 posted on 09/02/2006 2:21:53 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: riverdog

Howdy riverdog, glad to have another FReeper, especially a pro 2A one!

You'll like it here.


35 posted on 09/02/2006 2:25:31 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Where did I leave my matches?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Thanks for all the Welcomes!


36 posted on 09/02/2006 3:14:37 PM PDT by riverdog
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To: goldstategop; Shooter 2.5; EdReform; Oakleaf

I thought the Democrat leadership Council (DLC) were supposed to be the savvy centrists that appreciated how much gun control has cost the dems at election time.


37 posted on 09/02/2006 4:01:35 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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