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Two Years for One Joint: New Flash Movie Highlights Injustice
http://www.drugpolicy.org ^ | 9 1 06 | The Drug Policy Alliance

Posted on 09/01/2006 10:15:43 PM PDT by freepatriot32

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To: bikerman

The penalty for speeding is typically a ticket in just about every state, with maybe some jail time if you're doing something like 80 in a 25 in some residential area. It is hardly 'half way to execution.' Intrestingly enough, reckless driving in Massachusetts doesn't earn you two years of jail time, even though I'd much rather have some kid sell a joint to someone else than some maniac going 50+ MPH in my neighborhood.


51 posted on 09/03/2006 11:35:28 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: JeffAtlanta

When arrested 17... obviously close to 18 - as he was 18 when sentenced. What's the difference and why do you feel it is an important distinction. Regardless, his actions were pretty ignorant, thus my statement stands.

(Sheesh).


52 posted on 09/03/2006 8:44:57 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: antceecee

Well you mentioned the number twice in your 10 word post so I thought you felt it was significant. FWIW, there usually is a big difference between being arrested as a 17 yr old and an 18 yr old. Seventeen yr olds usually get treated as minors although for major crimes they are often tried as adults.


53 posted on 09/03/2006 8:50:02 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: bikerman
I haven't side stepped anything I believe the punishment does fit the crime in this case. And I also believe this isn't the first time this so called poor young adult has done this the odds were he would get caught sooner or later. As I stated this was His and only His decision he lost on this one.

That guy must have horrible luck. He sells one joint in his life and he gets caught.

54 posted on 09/03/2006 8:59:50 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: SamAdams76

Two years is pretty steep. A bunch of students at our local high school were busted for making bomb threats and putting what turned out to be a fake "device" on the roof of the school building. Just one of those students was sent to jail... for two years.


55 posted on 09/03/2006 9:26:14 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

Lately it seems they are treating crimes by minors in the 17 yr. old range on an adult level. I don't quite understand your point, but mine was not regarding the age, rather, it was regarding the punishment vs. the crime as well as the YOUTH of the offender.
It appears that at the time of sentencing this person was 18?

Regardless of the age, the sentence is ridiculous.


56 posted on 09/03/2006 10:58:53 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: antceecee
If he was selling Meth I would hang him from the nearest School Flagpole!
Would you hang a doctor "from the nearest School Flagpole" for prescribing a child the drug Desoxyn for ADHD?
57 posted on 09/03/2006 11:10:03 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: antceecee

I misunderstood your original post - my apologies.


58 posted on 09/03/2006 11:31:12 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Dallas59

Why indeed....

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59 posted on 09/03/2006 11:50:03 PM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: Nate505
He was selling it within school grounds or 1000 feet of school grounds and the LAW said 2 years in jail thats why don't like it change the law. In Florida we have 10-20 -life with no parole for committing a crime with a gun is that fair to you liberal whiners??
60 posted on 09/04/2006 4:01:26 AM PDT by bikerman (Democrats the cut and run party.)
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To: bikerman
He was selling it within school grounds or 1000 feet of school grounds and the LAW said 2 years in jail thats why don't like it change the law.

Quoting what the law is does not make the law just, and it does not explain why the punishment fits the crime. If a law was passed to put someone who goes 5 MPH above the speed limit in jail for 10 years, that would definitely be an unjust law. However, I couldn't defend its justness by just saying "gee, that's the law, if you don't like it change it, but the punishment is just because that's the law."

So once again, since you appear to have trouble with the question, why is putting someone in jail for 2 years for selling a joint 500 or whatever feet from a school just? How is the punishment fitting the crime?

In Florida we have 10-20 -life with no parole for committing a crime with a gun is that fair to you liberal whiners??

Ohh, liberal whiners. Solid technique right there, if solid means the technique of a third grader who can't articulate his opinion without namecalling because that's all the brain power he has to work with. But to answer your question, it depends on the crime (I'd wager most crimes committed with a gun are armed robbery, murder, and attempted murder). I would say the punishment far more fits the crime than going to jail for 2 years for selling a joint within 1000 yards of a school.

61 posted on 09/04/2006 9:59:45 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: Wolfie
He's not a drug dealer, but he has 1.12 grams of marijuana that was pre-packaged for distribution. Which he sold. For 20 bucks.

Do you know of any users who keep their marijuana split up into joint-sized packets, or do they simply keep it in one baggie?

62 posted on 09/04/2006 10:46:56 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Bogtrotter52
"The phrase "within 1000 feet" is a bit vague, does not tell me if he was 999 feet away or standing outside the school doors."

"Lawrence sold the marijuana to undercover Berkshire County Task Force officer Felix A. Aguirre for $20 on June 30, 2004. The sale took place between 426 and 556 feet of the preschool, which is inside the First Congregational Church."

"The parking lot, located within 1,000 feet of the Great Barrington Co-operative Preschool and Searles/ Bryant Middle School, was a popular hangout for young adults and reportedly rife with drug activity at the time"

. "Most of those arrested were accused of selling cocaine, ecstasy and other "hard" drugs, but seven of the defendants -- including Lawrence -- were charged with selling small amounts of marijuana."

63 posted on 09/04/2006 10:50:21 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: freepatriot32

"it's all good, kids"
"burn up that bong"
64 posted on 09/04/2006 10:53:14 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: JTN
"The dirtbag in this story is the cop who created a drug dealer because he couldn't find one."

That's correct. He didn't find one -- they found 19.

"Lawrence was among 19 people arrested on drug-dealing charges as a result of an undercover operation from January to September 2004 at the former Taconic Lumber parking lot in Great Barrington."

65 posted on 09/04/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Nate505
"You've seemed to have side stepped this issue on whether the punishment fits the crime."

The time to make a case for changing the law is before you get caught, not afterwards.

66 posted on 09/04/2006 10:58:26 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: philman_36

I don't condone parents drugging their kids in order to control them. When did I ever give you that impression?

Sounds like another subject for another forum.


67 posted on 09/04/2006 4:43:29 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: robertpaulsen

The time to argue against a law that has an unjust punishment is anytime. Certainly for someone like me who has never been caught, but those who get caught have every right to rail against opressive punishment. Of course, it's up to the public and legal system to agree if it is opressive or not, much like it's up for the supporters of the punishment to validate that support, and for the opponenets of it to invalidate it.


68 posted on 09/04/2006 7:58:17 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: Nate505
I have a couple of homes one in a Richy Rich area on a Golf Course. The elitist liberals there get together and smoke their dope. My other home is in a poor area. The people around sell and buy all kinds of drugs and smoke their dope. I am hard pressed to see any difference. None of the Richy Rich neighbors ever get pulled over and searched in the rich neighborhood. Not a week goes by in the poor neighborhood when I don't see 3-4 vehicle searches.

But times are changing and now $500,000 condos are surrounding me and the old place on three sides. Soon they will condemn my old place paying me 1/3 the value of the land if I had the "right" to build a few Condos. When redevelopment is complete I will no longer have my poor neighborhood home nor will I profit from the redevelopment nor will any of those who have lived or owned homes here for 40 years (in my case 50). The same politicians that let our community fall into disrepair will condemn the land and then order the police to chase out the riff Raff they allowed in to lower the value of that land and make it difficult to live in. After their friends receive the condemned property for "redevelopment"
I am sure they will all get together in one of the now $500,000 condos and smoke dope while they celebrate their financial acumen. 4 Blocks away some 23 year old will be arrested for marijuana in his car, spend time in prison and be branded for life a criminal/drug dealer/bad guy. Probably the guy that sold the liberal politican and developers the marijauna

Hell of a thing.


W
69 posted on 09/05/2006 3:28:36 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: WLR; robertpaulsen
Well put.
And as you commented, the liberals/socialists will gather round to say:

We, as a society, decide which rights we will protect --- We choose not to protect your right to do drugs. If and when a majority of the people decide that we should, then we will.
Given that we're a self-governing nation, there's nothing to stop the majority from deciding this.

Hell of a thing.

70 posted on 09/05/2006 7:58:59 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: A CA Guy
How else can we clear the voting roles of the minorities before they can become the majority? Beg the lord for forgiveness of your sins and for those of the ones you abet to sin.
71 posted on 09/05/2006 1:53:24 PM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: freepatriot32

No worse than filching abused asparagus.


72 posted on 09/05/2006 1:57:44 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: PaxMacian

I do not believe minorities have exclusivity to use of drugs.


73 posted on 09/05/2006 2:19:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: antceecee
Your response still doesn't answer my question.

Sounds like another subject for another forum.
Well, since you brought the subject of "Meth" up on this forum I have no idea why you say that.

(that has got to be the most subtle "why don't you go back to DU" I've ever seen)

74 posted on 09/05/2006 11:20:51 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36

Sorry, but you are wrong, I did not mean DU. I meant that your subject regarding use of drugs for ADHD and kids is an involved topic. I think it sidetracks this discussion.
I referred to meth as a substance which I feel is far more harmful to kids/teens. It was used comparatively to weed. But then again, you knew that didn't you?
I don't really need to answer your question as it is not relevant to what was being discussed.
If you truly want to discuss the topic, why not start a new discussion? In any case, this is my last response to you on this subject. Have a nice day.


75 posted on 09/06/2006 9:56:59 AM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: antceecee
Sorry, but you are wrong, I did not mean DU.
My presumption as to which website you thought this conversation belonged on was wrong, not me. Then which "forum" did you mean? (oh yeah, you aren't going to answer me...how fortunate for you)
I meant that your subject regarding use of drugs for ADHD and kids is an involved topic.
The WOsD, which also includes kids and ADHD drugs, is indeed very involved. There is a black market for ADHD drugs just like other controlled substances. (why is it that most folks call some drugs "illegal" when they're really only controlled?)
I think it sidetracks this discussion.
Perhaps, yet it is completely relevant to the statement you made about hanging people. It is to that to which I responded.
I referred to meth as a substance which I feel is far more harmful to kids/teens.
And that parenthetically (a remark or passage that departs from the theme of a discourse) [see your sidetrack mention above and rethink who is really diverting things...possibly desiring other readers of the article to draw some warped, convoluted simulacrum between the two drugs].
Your main reference was to hanging somebody for selling "meth". I drew a valid comparison and you flee from the field of engagement. Your loss, not mine.
But then again, you knew that didn't you?
Just like you knew what you were doing by inserting it into the discussion?
I don't really need to answer your question as it is not relevant to what was being discussed.
So you just threw it in there, straying completely off topic in doing so yourself, because...it diverts from the real topic?
If you truly want to discuss the topic, why not start a new discussion?
If you truly wanted to discuss the topic of this thread, why did you make meth a point of discussion by making your comment? Perhaps you should be the one to keep to the subject of the tread in order to avoid having to play the wounded bird.
In any case, this is my last response to you on this subject. Have a nice day.
Taking your ball and going home, eh?
I'm not worried. I'm pretty sure I'll see you again. Like moths to flames.
Ya'll come back now. Hear?
76 posted on 09/06/2006 11:31:00 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36

You are a loon and obviously looking for a fight.... over what is anyone's guess.
Once again, have a nice day.


77 posted on 09/07/2006 9:45:43 AM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: antceecee
You are a loon...
Like recognizing like?
78 posted on 09/10/2006 2:49:16 PM PDT by philman_36
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