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Caine hits out against today's 'banal' films
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Posted on 09/03/2006 9:16:47 PM PDT by sonsofliberty2000

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To: sonsofliberty2000

Caine is right. I gave up watching movies on a regular basis about ten years ago. Every now and then a good flick comes out, but it's very rare. Virtually all of todays filmmakers are diehard libs who are careful to inject tons of lib propaganda and otherwise pretentious pc drivel in their wretched works.


41 posted on 09/04/2006 2:21:30 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Michael...talk about banal films...where you a little light in the checking account when you did JAWS 4???


42 posted on 09/04/2006 2:28:25 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ByDesign
"freedom"

You too have obviously noticed that with all the so-called "freedom" filmmakers have today, their works are mostly stunted, shallow, and juvenile. Working within imposed restrictions, like supposedly what was regnant before the sixties, produced far better films than todays throwaway junk flicks. Old moviemakers had to rely on good plots and character development rather than profanity, nudity, and special effects. Again the old rule applies: because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

43 posted on 09/04/2006 2:29:27 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: sonsofliberty2000

It also doesn't help that there seems to be no place for maturity in movies these days. I'm tired of the endless stream of movies starring unknown actors and actresses who just got out of high school.


44 posted on 09/04/2006 2:39:20 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: vetvetdoug

I watched "Magnificent Seven" for the umpteenth time the other day, and watched the commentary section. It's truly an amazing film with a paucity of dialogue---perfectly written. Some of the most important dialogue scenes that define the characters are spoken by the Mexicans.


45 posted on 09/04/2006 6:00:37 AM PDT by LS
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To: txzman

Actually, this is Caine's great strength. He works all the time---and it's the actor who improves the scripts, so it's no wonder that so many of the films he's in, "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels," "Zulu," "Educating Rita," could have been mediocre with other actors. He and James Woods, IMHO, are two of the greatest living actors BECAUSE they will work in anything and try to make it better.


46 posted on 09/04/2006 6:05:36 AM PDT by LS
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To: George W. Bush
I disagree. Many scripts look "low-budget" or "B-movie" but turn out to be classics. Many classics, with rotten actors, become B-movies. You never know.

In "Magnificent Seven," which I just watched again, the commentary of Walter Mirisch, the producer, said that ALL the brass thought Horst Bucholz would steal the movie, when in fact it was James Coburn (aside from the obvious stars, Brenner and McQueen) who only had seven lines, who stole the movie.

Caine is a great actor because he WORKS, and not every piece of work is a masterpiece. Bogart did crap, too.

47 posted on 09/04/2006 6:08:15 AM PDT by LS
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To: vetvetdoug

"I thought Second Hand Lions was an excellent film"

Great movie. Loved him & Robert Duvall...still can't stand Haley Joel Osmet, but with those two in it, it was great!

"Get 'em Hub"


48 posted on 09/04/2006 6:34:19 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Patrick1

"Caine is correct but it would have more impact from someone who didn't star in 'Bewitched'"

Hey, he still has to pay the bills...


49 posted on 09/04/2006 6:36:05 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Brimack34
You are thinking of: "Jaws- The Revenge" ranked the 50th worst film of all time by IMDB.

Another truly appalling bad film he headlined was "Beyond the Poseidon Adventure".
50 posted on 09/04/2006 7:06:48 AM PDT by US admirer
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To: US admirer
"Beyond the Poseidon Adventure"

Beyond Bad.
51 posted on 09/04/2006 7:30:09 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Michael Caine starred in many trite, commonplace movies concerning the military all his career. Further he had a starring role in the following regrettable releases: Blame It On Rio, Beyond The Poseidon Adventure, and Victory (which combined war cliches, prison cliches, Yanks vs. Brits cliches, and sports cliches).

Michael Caine's comments are akin to Elvis saying there was too much drug abuse in the music industry.


52 posted on 09/04/2006 7:49:19 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: George W. Bush

Yeah, I'm always amused at the folks who say, they don't make them like they used to. True, there were some classics, but most were banal, just like today's films. There are some good movies being made nowadays, you just have to be choosy.


53 posted on 09/04/2006 7:53:22 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: LS
.."Magnificent Seven" ... an amazing film with a paucity of dialogue---perfectly written..

"We deal in lead, friend"

and at the end: "We lost. We always lose."

54 posted on 09/04/2006 7:54:15 AM PDT by MrNatural ("...You want the truth!?...")
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
It also doesn't help that there seems to be no place for maturity in movies these days. I'm tired of the endless stream of movies starring unknown actors and actresses who just got out of high school.

Don't forget, the studios had an iron hand in who was in movies in the old days. They used their latest ingenues, just as the young things are used today.

55 posted on 09/04/2006 7:57:35 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: George W. Bush

Your comment on the supposed "Golden Age" of film reminds me that for every classic film in the era there were 1000 B-movies, serial adventures, and badly acted Bible flicks that were beyond cliche.

There are 100s if not 1000s of classics in the modern era: Off the top of my head The Godfather, A Few Good Men, Unforgiven, The Shining, etc..

IMO, Caines is telling stories out of class.


56 posted on 09/04/2006 7:58:52 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
“Who today writes such lines?”

Graham Greene would be redacted these days.

57 posted on 09/04/2006 8:01:06 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: US admirer

"Another truly appalling bad film he headlined was "Beyond the Poseidon Adventure"."
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I object! "Beyond the Poseiden Adventure" may have been B-grade overall, but there was a great goofy chemistry between his character and Sally Field's {"I shot one! I shot one!... Well shoot another!") and a quiet affection between him and Karl Malden as his dying pardner in crime.


58 posted on 09/04/2006 8:26:03 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: skr
Very good post, skr:

At Caine's age, he's unlikely to find stellar parts, so he does his job, probably with the best that is offered to him. I remember Charlton Heston saying he would act even if he wasn't paid to do so.

Charlton Heston did just that. Offering to put up his salary for his lead role in 'Major Dundee' when the Hollywood suits were ready to pull the plug on Sam Peckenpah's film when it went over schedule and over-budget.

The Hollywood suits immediately took Heston's money!

Sir Michael(Congrats on your Knighthood, Sir!) is following the path blazed by Sean Connery years ago. Of taking a smaller supporting role and beefing up the work ('The Untouchables', 'Hunt For Red October', 'Rising Sun', 'The Rock' etc)of a weak leading actor.

Sir Michael has been in some turkeys, as all actors have. Though like you, I cannot remember him turning in a bad performance.

I also agree with his opinion that older films are much better. Especially the films of the 1970s.

Jack.
59 posted on 09/04/2006 8:58:14 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Great leading role in Get Carter. Just saw it for the first time this weekend.


60 posted on 09/04/2006 9:00:06 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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