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9/11: Five years later Typecasting Muslims as a Race
The San Francisco Chronicle ^ | September 3, 2006 | Matthai Chakko Kuruvila, Chronicle Religion Writer

Posted on 09/03/2006 10:56:41 PM PDT by Tamar1973

As the war on terror heads into its sixth year, a new racial stereotype is emerging in America. Brown-skinned men with beards and women with head scarves are seen as "Muslims" -- regardless of their actual faith or nationality.

Law enforcement measures, politicians, religious leaders and the media have contributed to stereotyping Muslims as a race -- echoing the painful history of another faith.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fifthanniversary; islam; mooselimbs; race; security; war; wot
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The article is pretty long and even if the SF Chronicle wasn't on the list of media outlets which are expert-only, I would probably exerpt it anyway.

Having said that, all those interviewed brag about how American they are but none of them speak out against America's enemies (at least not in the article.) I wouldn't be surprised if the reporter didn't even both to ask the question to give any of them the opportunity to do so.

1 posted on 09/03/2006 10:56:42 PM PDT by Tamar1973
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To: Tamar1973
In other words this "racial" profiling just suddenly started without reason...
2 posted on 09/03/2006 11:07:47 PM PDT by Dallas59 (ISLAMOFASCISM!!!!)
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To: Tamar1973
It is not worth of reading after the first sentence:

are seen as "Muslims" -- regardless of their actual faith or nationality.

OK, one seldom can designate a faith just by the appearence of the person, but what has nationality to do with being or not a Muslim?

BS!

4 posted on 09/03/2006 11:10:59 PM PDT by Neophyte (Nazis, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Dallas59
In other words this "racial" profiling just suddenly started without reason...

If we get too tied up in racial profiling, the bad guys can easily get around that by recruiting people who don't fit the stereotype. They're doing it in Chechnya quite sucessfully, from what I've read.

5 posted on 09/03/2006 11:15:38 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Tamar1973

http://jihadwatch.org/

Khatami blames US policies for terrorism while speaking in Chicago

The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America


6 posted on 09/03/2006 11:16:57 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: stinkerpot65
Khatami blames US policies for terrorism while speaking in Chicago

Someone needs to remind Khatami that Muslims have been terrorizing Christians and Jews since before the Crusades. Our policies have NOTHING to do with terrorism.

7 posted on 09/03/2006 11:20:18 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: annelizly
I never really disagreed with interring the japs during WWII. I think its too bad that they had to lose so much but that wasn't our fault it was the fault of the japanese who bombed pearl harbor.

I assume you're referring to the internment of Americans of Japanese descent.

I would like to know how, if the attack on Pearl Harbor "wasn't our fault" and "was the fault of the japanese", why don't you disagree with interring tens of thousands of us who weren't at fault?

8 posted on 09/03/2006 11:28:13 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Dallas59

somehow this makes the initials GTFO come to mind..


9 posted on 09/03/2006 11:30:02 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Tamar1973

Muslim not a race. Muslims do have faired skin, especially if they are from Iran, Former Yugoslavia, and Chechnya. And yes, some Arabs do have faired skin, even blonde hair and blue eyes.


10 posted on 09/03/2006 11:30:27 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: Neophyte
OK, one seldom can designate a faith just by the appearence of the person, but what has nationality to do with being or not a Muslim?

Among the Muslims of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, many are Islamists. Among the Muslims of Ghana and Albania, very few are.

11 posted on 09/03/2006 11:31:09 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Tamar1973

Christians have been terrorizing Jews since before the Crusades too. What's your point?


12 posted on 09/03/2006 11:33:13 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
...why don't you disagree with interring tens of thousands of us who weren't at fault?

For my part, I agree with internment camps in WWII because they were necessary for the security of both the nation at war and the people being interred. At the time, it was the sensible thing to do.

13 posted on 09/03/2006 11:40:41 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Tamar1973
Being a Muslim is a choice.

What race you are is not.

There's nothing "racist" about being critical of Islam. Islam has declared war on the "infidel". To hide ones head from it is to commit suicide.
14 posted on 09/03/2006 11:41:48 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: zimdog
Christians have been terrorizing Jews since before the Crusades too. What's your point?

Right.

15 posted on 09/03/2006 11:43:52 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: zimdog
Considering Islam is the religion practiced by Muslims it is difficult to say that some Muslims aren't Islamists. It just becomes word play at some point...
16 posted on 09/03/2006 11:45:05 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: zimdog

Christians have been terrorizing Jews since before the Crusades too. What's your point?


Which Christians are those? Where are Christians doing this terrorizing? During which time period has this been going on? I have heard no stories of Christians having "terrorized" Jews during at least the past century if not longer.


17 posted on 09/03/2006 11:49:56 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: zimdog
Christians have been terrorizing Jews since before the Crusades too. What's your point?

Apparently you didn't read the next line I wrote did you?! Let me repeat it: Our polices have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism. Muslims terrorise Americans because they hate us with every fiber of their being.

18 posted on 09/03/2006 11:50:47 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: DB
There's nothing "racist" about being critical of Islam. Islam has declared war on the "infidel". To hide ones head from it is to commit suicide.

Mark Steyn's column in today's paper was pretty sobering. Radical Islam does what radical Christianity and (laughable) radical Judaism has never done -- demands that you die, OR renounce your faith, be it Jesus Christ, Judaism, Wiccaism, Budha, whatever your religion, or atheism -- and declare your faith in Islam. Believe what they want you to or they will kill you. There are idiots who think that we can just "live in peace" with this "culture"?

To hide one's head from this is to indeed commit suicide.

19 posted on 09/03/2006 11:51:42 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: DB

A matter of semantics for some. Islam is that religion which Muslims practice. It is the religion of Mohammad their prophet.


20 posted on 09/03/2006 11:52:07 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: DB
Considering Islam is the religion practiced by Muslims it is difficult to say that some Muslims aren't Islamists. It just becomes word play at some point...

Perhaps, but we're not at that point at all.

Some Muslims aren't Islamists. Some are. However, they are not evenly distributed across the globe.

If you were forced to spend the rest of your life in a predominantly Muslim country of your choice, would you rather live in Turkey or Saudi Arabia? Senegal or Pakistan? Dubai or Somalia? Would you really say that the differences between them are "word play"?

21 posted on 09/03/2006 11:53:25 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Finny
Radical Islam does what radical Christianity and (laughable) radical Judaism has never done -- demands that you die, OR renounce your faith,

And what, pray tell, did the Spanish Inquisition demand?

22 posted on 09/03/2006 11:55:13 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: SoldierDad
Which Christians are those? Where are Christians doing this terrorizing?

Europe and Russia, mostly.

During which time period has this been going on?

Since the idea of Jewish blood libel began, through the Crusades, and on past the end of WW2. Vatican 2 officially renounced the idea of Jewish blood libel.

I have heard no stories of Christians having "terrorized" Jews during at least the past century if not longer.

You haven't?

23 posted on 09/03/2006 11:59:14 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Finny
For my part, I agree with internment camps in WWII because they were necessary for the security of both the nation at war and the people being interred.

If internment camps grant security for the people being interred, why are we not shipping ourselves out to camps in the Califonia deserts?

24 posted on 09/04/2006 12:01:46 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

No, I have not read or heard anything anywhere that suggests Christians are terrorizing Jews. I've read and heard of Islamic facists, Arabs, and Muslims having terrorized Jews.


25 posted on 09/04/2006 12:03:25 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Tamar1973
Our polices have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism. Muslims terrorise Americans because they hate us with every fiber of their being.

So Muslims inherently hate us that that's why they terrorize us, but this has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? That doesn't make any logical sense.

26 posted on 09/04/2006 12:03:58 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: SoldierDad

you havne't heard of christians terrorizing jews at any time over the past century, maybe more? (your initial phrasing of the time period)


27 posted on 09/04/2006 12:06:18 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
So Muslims inherently hate us that that's why they terrorize us, but this has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism?

Here's a couple of examples: We helped the Afghan's kick the Soviets out of their country, what thanks did we get? The Taliban and 9-11. When Clinton was CiC, we sent troops to Yugoslavia to protect Muslims from the Serbs, what did that get us in terms of gratitude from the Muslim world?! Nothing.

My point is that when we are nice to Muslims, they hate us. When we protect ourselves and defend ourselves against them, they hate us. Our polices do not affect whether an Islamic terrorist will try to blow us up or not. If they cant' make up a modern excuse, they will bring out the Crusades, or the Inquisition or some other ancient canard and start the "cycle of violence" anew.

28 posted on 09/04/2006 12:13:40 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: zimdog
Christians have been terrorizing Jews since before the Crusades too.

I'm confused. Where do they get this stuff?

29 posted on 09/04/2006 12:16:13 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: SoldierDad; zimdog

I don't know where he's coming from either. Maybe he's a Muslim trolling here on FR to incite arguments and hate. The USA has been giving Israel billions every year.


30 posted on 09/04/2006 12:19:24 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Cobra64; SoldierDad
The USA has been giving Israel billions every year.

You may have misread my post.

"The USA" is not the same as "Christians all over the world, since before the time of the Crusades". Similarly, "the State of Israel" is not the same as "Jews living in Christiandom, since before the time of the Crusades".

US aid to Israel is laudable, but that alone does not erase the long and very ugly history of anti-Semitism.

31 posted on 09/04/2006 12:26:54 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Tamar1973
We helped the Afghan's kick the Soviets out of their country, what thanks did we get? The Taliban and 9-11.

The Taliban -- a group that had some roots in the US-funded resistance movements of the 1980s back when we felt that Islamists were infinitely more preferable than International Communism -- conquered the country just as the Soviets tried to do. You wouldn't suggest that after we helped France in WW1 that their rapid fall in WW2 was an anti-American act, even though it did make Hitler stronger.

Also, it's more of a semantic quibble, but Afghanistan the country was not responsible for the attacks of 9-11. The Taliban gave shelter to bin Ladin and al-Qa'ida operatives, certainly, but the attacks were planned, funded and carried out by Islamists from the Arab world.

When Clinton was CiC, we sent troops to Yugoslavia to protect Muslims from the Serbs, what did that get us in terms of gratitude from the Muslim world?! Nothing.

I believe most Bosniaks and Kossovars are very grateful. The 9-11 terrorists hell-bent on destroying us were not from Bosnia-Herzegovinia or Kossovo however. To suggest that Islam is so monolithic that a good deed in the Balkans should be received exactly the same way by Muslims the world over is a bit ridiculous. It would be like saying that the Emancipation Proclamation should have earned us the gratitude of the Ethiopian Empire.

My point is that when we are nice to Muslims, they hate us.

You're confusing "Muslim" and "terrorist".

Our polices do not affect whether an Islamic terrorist will try to blow us up or not.

Probably not. But "a Muslim" is not necessarily the same as "an Islamic terrorist".

32 posted on 09/04/2006 12:42:03 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
You wrote, "US aid to Israel is laudable, but that alone does not erase the long and very ugly history of anti-Semitism."

It isn't intended to. Insofar as I know, the aid given to Israel is not meant as recompense for ages-old antisemitism.

Christian antisemitism has always baffled me, but even so, as a non-Jewish, Christian American, I feel no guilt whatsoever and no need to atone for the bigotry of others. The God I worship was a Jewish carpenter. He proclaimed His Jewishness often, loudly, and succinctly. While on this earth, He was addressed as 'Rabbi' by his disciples. As an individual, I support Israel partly because I think He wants me to, partly because I think the Jewish people are deserving of a homeland safe from persecution, and partly because Israel is one of the few allies we can count upon in an altogether hostile world. I can't presume to speak for my government, but I think implying the US is more or less paying reparations is way off the mark.
33 posted on 09/04/2006 12:48:09 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: zimdog

The real Inquisition, or the one people "know" of via popular culture?

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/madden200406181026.asp


34 posted on 09/04/2006 12:58:31 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: zimdog
You wrote, "But "a Muslim" is not necessarily the same as "an Islamic terrorist"."

Unless and until significant numbers of Muslims start speaking out against terrorism in toto and loudly, publicly repudiating the terrible violence done to innocents in the name of their faith, I view them all with suspicion and loathing. Yeah, that's right: all of them. I look at Muslims the same way I look at scientologists or any other whacked-out cult members.

To hell with their mad, blood-soaked, satanically inspired prophet. To hell with their so-called holy book. Literally.
35 posted on 09/04/2006 1:00:58 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: zimdog
And what, pray tell, did the Spanish Inquisition demand?

Truly effective Christian-bashing unfortunately requires that you go back many hundreds of years.

36 posted on 09/04/2006 1:02:46 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: zimdog
You're confusing "Muslim" and "terrorist".

That's funny...terrorists and muslims seem to get the meanings confused as well.

37 posted on 09/04/2006 1:04:03 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Tamar1973

There appear to be a number of these "muslims are the victims" articles coming out on the fifth anniversary of the muslim assault on America. Predictable MSM anti-Americanism.


38 posted on 09/04/2006 1:06:10 AM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Democrat's Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 70 million new third-world aliens.)
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To: Junior_G
Truly effective Christian-bashing unfortunately requires that you go back many hundreds of years.

Perhaps that's why Muslim-bashing is so much more popular among the bigots these days

In any case, criticizing the Spanish Inquisition is hardly "Christian-bashing" is it?

39 posted on 09/04/2006 1:10:35 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Insofar as I know, the aid given to Israel is not meant as recompense for ages-old antisemitism.

I did not mean to suggest that that was the intention. I only meant to point out that the fact that we have given Israel billions of dollars in aid over the past 60 years does not mean -- as the original poster came close to suggesting -- that 1600 years of Christian anti-Semitism is no longer a fact.

I can't presume to speak for my government, but I think implying the US is more or less paying reparations is way off the mark.

That is not what I meant to imply. Sorry for the confusion.

40 posted on 09/04/2006 1:17:22 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Junior_G
That's funny...terrorists and muslims seem to get the meanings confused as well.

Terrorists do. Muslims don't.

Eric Rudolph confused his terrorism with Christianity. Decent Christians understood there was a difference.

41 posted on 09/04/2006 1:18:48 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

Turkey is on its way towards being a poorer Saudi Arabia. At this point it is only a matter of time, the trend is clear.

Name a "Muslim" country that is becoming less Muslim in its practices?

Again, they are all drifting towards the same result.

So it is really only a matter of time on which "choice" I would be tolerated in before it would come to a head.


42 posted on 09/04/2006 1:19:49 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: zimdog
You wrote, "In any case, criticizing the Spanish Inquisition is hardly "Christian-bashing" is it?"

That's a complete non sequitur, given that the usual argument a Christian basher makes starts with the Inquisition example and then works forward in history to Eric Rudolph and his abortionist-murdering pals. So it isn't 'hardly' Christian bashing, it is Christian bashing, straight-up and direct.
43 posted on 09/04/2006 1:20:02 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: zimdog

Your guess is as good as mine. But your guess will be an uninformed one.


44 posted on 09/04/2006 1:20:53 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I mean the real Inquisition, but the article makes a good point that mob rule and state courts in Christian countries were at many times even harder on Europe's (and the Americas') Jews and Muslims. Thanks for pointing that out.


45 posted on 09/04/2006 1:23:04 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Unless and until significant numbers of Muslims start speaking out against terrorism in toto and loudly, publicly repudiating the terrible violence done to innocents in the name of their faith, I view them all with suspicion and loathing.

That's been the case for quite some time. The media (especially the Jihad Media) doesn't cover it so well, and you're probably not combing the papers and the internet looking for examples. Expect to see quite a few in the next week as we approach the anniversary of 9-11.

46 posted on 09/04/2006 1:25:40 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: DB
Name a "Muslim" country that is becoming less Muslim in its practices?

If a Muslim country becomes increasingly "less Muslim", it will cease to be a Muslim country, no? That then renders the question moot.

I think what you meant to ask for is a Muslims country that is not Islamist. Turkey for now, although I don't expect the Turks will slide towards theocracy. Morocco is one, although the monarchy's pace of democratic reform is glacial. Albania, I believe. Senegal and Mali are becoming more Muslim (in that the percentage of citizens who are Muslims has been steadily increasing over the last century) and also more democratic. Albania is the same way, coming out from a long Maoist shadow of official atheism. Bangladesh, although I'm not too sure about that one. And for all their problems, the Lebanese will rebuild their country again.

Again, they are all drifting towards the same result.

You seem to believe that a Muslim majority makes for an inevitable theocracy. That's your opinion, but the facts are against you.

47 posted on 09/04/2006 1:36:30 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Finny
Your guess is as good as mine. But your guess will be an uninformed one.

No, it's simple logic: Giving up your freedom makes you less secure, not more. We won't lock ourselves away know and we shouldn't have locked Americans of Japanese ancestry away in the 1940s.

48 posted on 09/04/2006 1:39:01 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: Rembrandt_fan
That's a complete non sequitur, given that the usual argument a Christian basher makes starts with the Inquisition example and then works forward in history to Eric Rudolph and his abortionist-murdering pals. So it isn't 'hardly' Christian bashing, it is Christian bashing, straight-up and direct.

So criticizing the Spanish Inquisition and criticizing the terrorist Eric Rudolph is "Christian-bashing"? Come on...

49 posted on 09/04/2006 1:41:11 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

Apion was an Egyptian.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1641&letter=A


50 posted on 09/04/2006 1:44:52 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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