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Global warming 'cannot be stopped' (So why try?)
The Times ^ | September 4, 2006 | Mark Henderson

Posted on 09/04/2006 10:58:57 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

THE world must be more realistic about the chances of preventing climate change and prepare for the inevitability of global warming, the head of one of Britain’s foremost scientific societies will urge today.

Politicians and environmentalists have failed to understand how difficult it will be to curb global warming and are overlooking the importance of adapting to the hotter world it will bring, according to Frances Cairncross, the President of the British Association for the Advancement of Science.

While measures to cut the greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming are essential, they have been emphasised over and above the equally vital need to develop ways of coping with climate change, Ms Cairncross will say.The “ineffectual” Kyoto Treaty will not stop temperatures rising, as the US and large developing nations such as China and India are not involved, and even if a global agreement to limit carbon dioxide emissions is reached, a significant degree of warming is still likely.

As a result, scientists and governments need to think now about measures, such as better flood defences and wildlife corridors, that will help threatened species to migrate as habitats are lost.

“Adaptation policies have had far less attention than mitigation, and that is a mistake,” Ms Cairncross will say in her presidential address to the association’s Festival of Science in Norwich.

“We need to think about policies that prepare for a hotter, drier world, especially in poorer countries. That may involve, for instance, developing new crops, constructing flood defences, setting different building regulations, or banning building close to sea level.”

Ms Cairncross’s message will be controversial as many environmental groups have discouraged talk of adapting to global warming as an inevitability for fear that it will hand politicians an excuse for fail- ing to cut greenhouse gas emissions. Ms Cairncross, an economist who is also Rector of Exeter College, Oxford, believes, however, that there is no reason why adaptation and mitigation cannot proceed hand-in-hand. “There are some things that we can’t adapt: we can’t relocate the Amazon rainforest or replace bleached coral reefs, but we have to think about adaptation with mitigation,” she said.

State-educated pupils who get an A grade at maths A level should be rewarded with a cash bounty to share with their teachers, Ms Cairncross will say. The prize, which she suggests should be about £500, would be a valuable incentive that would encourage more bright teenagers to study maths and science, she said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; globullwarming
I don't get it. We've been hearing that cleaner air has allowed more sunlight and heat through our atmosphere, causing even more global warming because there hasn't been enough pollution to counteract its effects. Now we can't even help it?
1 posted on 09/04/2006 10:58:58 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Politicians and environmentalists have failed to understand

That is two groups that should have stayed out of it. Let the people who know climate issues talk about the climate.
2 posted on 09/04/2006 11:01:47 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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3 posted on 09/04/2006 11:02:00 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
We need to think about policies that prepare for a hotter, drier world, especially in poorer countries.

Obligatory liberal additive.

4 posted on 09/04/2006 11:04:33 AM PDT by capt. norm (Bumper Sticker: Honk if you've never seen an Uzi shoot from a car window.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

5 posted on 09/04/2006 11:05:40 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

If you can't stand the heat, get off the planet.

But first, irrigate the deserts, terraform Mars, and plant human colonies around the solar system.

Then if it seems necessary, we'll terraform Earth as well.

We can start with the kind of sky-cities we'll be using on Venus. They float at a fixed altitude, predominantly over open bodies of water (just in case), and provide luxurious accommodation to as many people as you would wish.


6 posted on 09/04/2006 11:13:21 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Water on Venus?? I think you need to check on the surface temp of Venus...something about being hot enough to melt lead, something, something.....


7 posted on 09/04/2006 11:21:02 AM PDT by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome.........CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The loons should realize that the ice-caps on mars are also receding, indicating that there is global warming on mars as well. Now most intelligent people would realize that Mr Sun is causing the global warming on both planets. Liberals, on the other hand, insist that it's republican suv's and policies that's doing it.


8 posted on 09/04/2006 11:41:37 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Laz711

I have found Venusian summers to be intolerable :)


9 posted on 09/04/2006 11:44:38 AM PDT by xp38
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Why Try? Because it is not science it is secular religion and that is what it has been designed for at the beginning. Think about it, in the 70s it was "save the whales" Guess what... they got saved. Then it was "NO NUKES", then that darn reagan screwed things up with the reagan reversal. And that darn USSR thing failed.

So they needed to come up with something that could never be solved and could not be measured easily by idividuals... so it was... " Save the planet" This way they can have people focus on something other than God and you can get the scientific community behind it by giving huge grants to "Study the problem of global warming" Then as a scientist you say to yourself," do I want to teach high school science lab or have a cushy University research job that I have every freaking holiday off and only have to write a tacit paper now and then?"

Folks just need to see it for what it is ... Secular piety. The idea is that the more "sensitive you are to the environment the more religious/ pius, you are" That is why there is always new things to save and be sensitive to. People are trying to look more religious ( in the secular sense) than those around them.

This is why. Humans are built with a God shaped hole in their souls and they do everything they can to stuff that hole with everything but God. Global warming, tolerance, political correctness... all are just fruitless examples of how people are trying to fill that empty echo chamber with out God.


10 posted on 09/04/2006 11:57:31 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Laz711
"I think you need to check on the surface temp of Venus...something about being hot enough to melt lead ..."

No, no water on Venus. Simply the same design of sky-city, albeit at a much higher relative altitude.

I was referring to keeping sky-cities over water when they are employed on Earth, to keep the people on the ground from being nervous.

On Venus, the cities would trail a long mining tether or dredge, which would be used to supplement materials gathered in from the rich atmosphere.

The principle industry of the sky-cities on Venus would be the manufacture of more sky-cities. With geometric progression, the upper atmosphere of Venus would soon be carpeted with cities.

Then they could switch to manufacturing carbon-fiber spacecraft and other needed items. Meanwhile, their shadows would be slowly cooling the inferno planet.

11 posted on 09/04/2006 12:02:23 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
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To: Walkingfeather

MAybe we should try and take care of our environment because it doesn't BELONG to us. How about for our kids? geesh what a stupid comment. People who trash the world obviously don't care about anyone but themselves. Selfish. Who cares about global warming...how about we just take care of our planet because it is the right thing to do?

Guess nobody thought of that...


12 posted on 09/04/2006 12:04:00 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: silentknight; Walkingfeather; RightWhale
"... how about we just take care of our planet because it is the right thing to do?"

Nope. That won't fly, either.

The only thing that would work is making a profit at it. That's why I'd start by irrigating the deserts. Clearly, that would be a profitable thing to do, and the rest of the program could be funded by that.

13 posted on 09/04/2006 12:18:53 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

...if it were happening at all, that is. Oh and BTW, they were wringing their hands over "global dimming" a few months ago...


14 posted on 09/04/2006 12:27:25 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Politicians and environmentalists have failed to understand how difficult it will be to curb global warming and are overlooking the importance of adapting to the hotter world it will bring, according to Frances Cairncross, the President of the British Association for the Advancement of Science.

Frances Cairncross is a brave man.
15 posted on 09/04/2006 12:30:27 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: xp38

Venusian summers are like a Siberian winter in comparison to a Mercurian summer.

:-P


16 posted on 09/04/2006 12:30:46 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breath some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: silentknight
"how about we just take care of our planet because it is the right thing to do?"

Because to do so would require the institution of global socialism or communism--and we know what great stewards of the environment THEY are. In any event, a rule-everything tyrrany. Examples: they want to outlaw backyard barbecues because of the soot and CO2, and also gas-powered lawnmowers. Every, repeat, every aspect of your life would be controlled. Me, I'll take the heat and leave the anti-human "pro nature" crowd for you.

--Boris

17 posted on 09/04/2006 12:32:55 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Cool - we're dead either way. Let's kill ourselves now.

(/sarcasm)


18 posted on 09/04/2006 12:36:40 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

19 posted on 09/04/2006 12:53:44 PM PDT by Gritty (Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mogollon
Now most intelligent people ...Liberals, on the other hand,

That about says it all.

20 posted on 09/04/2006 1:06:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: goldfinch
Frances Cairncross is a brave woman.
21 posted on 09/04/2006 1:12:26 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: DaveLoneRanger
She is correct...attempting to cool the planet is almost fruitless, greenhouse gas or no, imho. Things may indeed get hotter but it'll happen so slowly we will naturally adapt our ways of building, living, traveling etc.

What remains to be seen is if a warmer climate is better or worse for all involved. I vote for better.

22 posted on 09/04/2006 1:17:08 PM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: boris

Don't forget they'll want to go diaperless, too. It's natural, you know.

Diaperless Babies Seen As Earth-Friendly Solution
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5C%5CCulture%5C%5Carchive%5C%5C200404%5C%5CCUL20040422a.html


23 posted on 09/04/2006 1:29:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
No. I maintain its not a problem today and we're going to spend billions mitigating a threat that in all likelihood isn't a dire one. Its money wasted that could be spent on more urgent and practical needs. But liberalism is about good feelings, not about doing the things that are necessary because they don't look "cool."

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

24 posted on 09/04/2006 1:33:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NicknamedBob

OK, I see where you were headed, I just mis-understood what you meant, I mean, they thought that there may have been water on Venus, about 60 years ago.....


25 posted on 09/04/2006 5:54:57 PM PDT by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome.........CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: Mogollon
The loons should realize that the ice-caps on mars are also receding, indicating that there is global warming on mars as well.

The observed changes are not caused by any change in the Sun's output.

Global Warming on Mars?

26 posted on 09/05/2006 2:57:07 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: chiller
Things may indeed get hotter but it'll happen so slowly we will naturally adapt our ways of building, living, traveling etc.

Change may happen a bit quicker if the Greenland ice cap collapses.

27 posted on 09/05/2006 2:58:19 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: DaveLoneRanger; EveningStar
And neither can MANBEARPIG!!!


28 posted on 09/05/2006 3:04:14 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Go Bucks!!!)
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To: cogitator

Yeah, your're right. Its the auto emmissions.


29 posted on 09/05/2006 6:44:40 PM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: cogitator

You do know the snow pack inland in Greenland is growing, even if the coastal glaciers are melting. It happens, time and again.


30 posted on 09/05/2006 6:46:44 PM PDT by chiller (every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" is working nicely.)
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To: chiller
You do know the snow pack inland in Greenland is growing, even if the coastal glaciers are melting. It happens, time and again.

The stability of the ice cap is determined by the balance between melt and accretion.

31 posted on 09/06/2006 8:07:53 AM PDT by cogitator
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