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Church Collects Signatures For Stray Bullet Bill
NBC6 ^ | August 31, 2006 | Staff

Posted on 09/04/2006 11:01:16 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

MIAMI -- After a string of recent shootings that killed several children in South Florida, one church is starting a grassroots movement to stop the violence.

People gathered at Faith, Prayer and Deliverance Church on Northwest 99th Street and 27th Avenue on Wednesday to sign a petition in support of the "No Right To Kill, Stray Bullet" bill.

The goal is to get 1 million signatures in support of the bill, which demands life in prison for any act of violence that kills a child.

Youth pastor Anthony Dawkins is spearheading the movement.

"We want this to become a national law," he said. "You shoot a bullet into crowds and hit and kill children, we want life, mandatory. No parole."

According to activists, more than two-dozen children under the age of 18 have been killed by gun violence in South Florida since June 2005.

"This community must be outraged, excited and driven to go forth and get every signature that we need," Dawkins said.

Inside the church on Wednesday, family members of victims signed in support of the bill, which was created in memory of Sherdavia Jenkins, a 9-year-old who was shot to death in early July as she played on her front porch.

"It's not just my bill," said Jenkins' father, David. "It's everybody's bill, because this just don't protect our children. It protects men, women and children alike."

That includes children like 17-year-old Otissha Burnett, who was killed by a stray bullet at a block party in Miami Gardens. Her cousin also signed in support of the bill and said senseless killings affect everyone.

"Even though you may not have kids or it may not affect your loved one this time, it could possibly be you or one of your family members the next time," Tameka Drummond said.

Organizers are planning a rally this weekend to collect signatures. Dawson said they plan to take their bill to Tallahassee and to the nation's capitol if need be.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 501c; 501c3violation; aclumia; banglist; bullets; churchandstate; crime; irs; straybullets; taxcheat; taxes; taxfraud
I wonder if this will affect self-defense shootings?
1 posted on 09/04/2006 11:01:17 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Why does it have to be a child? Why not just step up the penalties and enforcement of EXISTING laws?


2 posted on 09/04/2006 11:09:39 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Another redundent law. There are life sentences, but the courts let murderers off after serving 10 minutes in jail because of crowded jails. The bad guys live a better life style than they did on the other side of the wall; so why leave?


3 posted on 09/04/2006 11:10:07 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Gondring

DITTO DITTO DITTO !

Yes! I'm yelling in agreement! ;-)


4 posted on 09/04/2006 11:14:25 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior))
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To: DaveLoneRanger

So, the good pastor is using his position and the church to engage in politics? Time for the IRS to remove the ole' tax exemption.


5 posted on 09/04/2006 11:14:47 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Gondring

So, let's see. A person shoots a gun into a crowd, supposedly aiming at someone in particular, and hits someone else not the intended victim. The person dies. If the person is a child, the perp gets a life sentence. What if the particular target is hit and killed? What if some other adult is hit and killed? The punishment will be less? If found that the person had commited an act of attempted murder of the original target, and killed some bystander instead, that sounds to me like a capital murder case. The punishment should be either the Death Penalty where that exists, or life without parole where it does not. The age of the victim should not even be an issue. It is tragic when a child dies by this type of meaningless violence, but all life should be protected from these thugs.


6 posted on 09/04/2006 11:18:57 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Does attempted self-defense give one the right to take an innocent's life? If one cannot shoot straight more practice is in order.


7 posted on 09/04/2006 11:21:23 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: dljordan
So, the good pastor is using his position and the church to engage in politics? Time for the IRS to remove the ole' tax exemption.

EXACTLY.

501c3 charities are specifically prohibited from supporting/opposing specific pieces of legislation, cnadidates, and parties.

This "compromise" of their free speech rights comes voluntarily with their special tax status.

8 posted on 09/04/2006 11:23:20 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Does this include police officers who in the line of duty or in their private lives kill a child with a stray bullet?


9 posted on 09/04/2006 11:24:12 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Gondring

They are just increasing the penalty, I think, not actually creating a new crime. I agree that we need tougher punishments, though I agree with you that it makes no sense to say that if you kill a child, you get more time.


10 posted on 09/04/2006 11:25:52 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SoldierDad

Meanwhile infanticide remains a "sacred right" in this country.


11 posted on 09/04/2006 11:27:19 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Indeed, classic populist heartstring tugging at it's best. "It's for the CHILDREN!"

I'd categorize this along with the "double fine if in a construction zone" traffic violation policy; it's a case of "all people are created equal, but some are more equal than others."

As has been pointed out by others in this thread, what would a new law cover that existing laws don't? If the current laws are't being enforced, how will new ones help?

And another point that persistently escapes the leftist mind; criminals don't care about any laws, that's why the're criminals!

12 posted on 09/04/2006 11:29:59 AM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: Brilliant
"...demands life in prison for any act of violence that kills a child."

Depends on how "act of violence" is defined...I'd love to see the proposed bill.

13 posted on 09/04/2006 11:30:03 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: weegee

Yes, it is alright to kill an unborn child as it is simply a "choice". I've always wondered about the issue of "choice" prior to the act resulting in the pregnancy in the first place. If you don't wish to become pregnant, don't engage in activities which result in pregnancy. Simple concept.


14 posted on 09/04/2006 11:33:08 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Gondring

Here's an idea: How about if the people who live in neighborhoods where people shoot each other at "block parties" turn in the thugs before they start shooting? Or how about somehow allowing the thugs to have fathers instead of being raised by their grandmothers and aunts?


15 posted on 09/04/2006 11:38:18 AM PDT by SoCalRight
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Does attempted self-defense give one the right to take an innocent's life? If one cannot shoot straight more practice is in order.

The death of a child is an accident in this case. Do you want to have the driver of a car who runs over a kid chasing a ball into the street sentenced for life. Yes for a bullet, no for a car. Why?

16 posted on 09/04/2006 11:43:17 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Drivers are not pulling triggers. Invalid analogy.


17 posted on 09/04/2006 11:44:25 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Gondring
Why does it have to be a child? Why not just step up the penalties and enforcement of EXISTING laws?

Bingo!

18 posted on 09/04/2006 11:47:15 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Gondring

another stupid "feel good" law.

Incriminetal efforts to ban guns.

This is just a BS effort to extent proximate cause liability.

IOW the lawyers are trying to make another run at home owners insurance now that they have been neutered by FL's stand your ground law.


19 posted on 09/04/2006 11:47:31 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I would agree with them that anyone who does drive-bys or shoots guns randomly into a crowd deserves a stiff sentence. But yet again, they don't even mention the root causes of their troubles. No one in my area goes around shooting guns randomly into crowds. There are no drive-by shootings. Something is fundamentally wrong with the yoots in their area. Let them dig into that for a change.


20 posted on 09/04/2006 11:53:15 AM PDT by Sender (What was the best thing before sliced bread?)
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To: Sender
Sounds like your community isn't "progressive" enough. </sarc>
21 posted on 09/04/2006 11:54:33 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

This is a blatent effort of the anti gun people to exend proximate cause to outlaw self defense.

An ACCIDENT is an accidnet. The leftists like this want pulling the trigger to equal loosing your home in a civil suit in ALL cases.


22 posted on 09/04/2006 12:00:37 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sender

how very true. No one I know has ever done a drive by shooting or any other criminal act with a firearm and EVERONE I know has firearms. Why do we always need new laws? Nobody in their right mind wants to see a child or anyone else shot. How about enforcing the existing laws? You shoot anybody during an act of violence, robbery, gang activity or for any reason and that person dies you go to jail for life period. In a truly equal society nobody's life is worth more or less than anyone elses. If somebody shoots my an kills my Father should they recieve less than somebody who shoots my son?? NO!
Maybe bringing back the death penalty and having them televised would send a message- you kill somebody we are going to kill you back. Some would say that public executions are barbaric but is not being killed for no reason by some gang banger dirtbag barbaric? Who should pay the price someone who is innocent or someone who is guilty? Maybe ,just maybe if some of these gang bangers had to face some real penalties for their actions they would not be so bold as to kill.
Liberals always say that "easy availabilty" of firearms is the root cause of what they describe as "gun violence". In typical liberal fashion they blame everybody else but the real culprit(s) of violence.
Why is it that when I was growing up every kid that I was friends with had a at least a .22 rifle and maybe a shotgun and deer rifle but none of us ever even remotely entertained the thought of doing a drive by or school shooting?


23 posted on 09/04/2006 12:11:39 PM PDT by riverdog
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To: DaveLoneRanger


They're mixing church and state! Stop them!


24 posted on 09/04/2006 12:34:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: SoldierDad

There are also surgical options available (including some which are reversable) to induce sterility into one or both partners.

But a man who gets cut in college may have some "explaining" to do to his future bride about why he had it done in his carefree bachelorhood days. Same with daddy's little sorority girl. "But I'm good people".

Abortion is a selfish act as is suicide. Permanant solution to a temporary "problem". Don't want the baby? Give it up for adoption, but it certainly never earned a death sentence. It is only an unwanted child in the eyes of its birth parents.


25 posted on 09/04/2006 12:38:04 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Cobra64

The intent appears to be to increase gang recruiting of underage thugs. That way you get life in prision if you defend yourself.


26 posted on 09/04/2006 12:38:34 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: donmeaker

What does gang recruiting have to do with life in prison defending yourself?


27 posted on 09/04/2006 12:41:40 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: riverdog

"Why is it that when I was growing up every kid that I was friends with had a at least a .22 rifle and maybe a shotgun and deer rifle but none of us ever even remotely entertained the thought of doing a drive by or school shooting?"

Because you and those who grew up with you were raised with values, morals, and a respect for life. In many areas of the country today those principles are no longer held important. The diminishing of these values has been assisted by Hollywood, the T.V. industry, and the music industry. The desire for this new "law" is a result of the outrage these people feel from the deaths of so many young people. It is understandable, but a new "law" which results in a differential punishment for the killing of a child (one segment of our society) doesn't do much to curb the violence. Holding people accountable for their behavior from birth on, and proving an environment in which the values mentioned above are paramount will be necessary for change to occur.


28 posted on 09/04/2006 12:50:54 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Bad idea. It could mean that you couldn't shoot juvie gang members that are trying to kill you.


29 posted on 09/04/2006 1:13:52 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Drivers are not pulling triggers. Invalid analogy.

The point of your post was competence. Incompetent drivers kill more Americans yearly than incompetent shooters. My point is perfectly valid. You're just pig headed.

30 posted on 09/04/2006 1:34:08 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I wonder what will happen when hundreds of urban types start getting life sentences. Will this same church protest the high prison sentences?


31 posted on 09/04/2006 1:53:28 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Gondring
Why not just step up the penalties and enforcement of EXISTING laws?

But then what would the politicians do? Do we actually need 99% of the laws that are passed now? Odds are it was already covered under statute.

32 posted on 09/04/2006 4:46:48 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: dljordan
So, the good pastor is using his position and the church to engage in politics? Time for the IRS to remove the ole' tax exemption.

Remember, that cuts both ways. What about the Pastors who urge their congreagations to support pro-gun conservatives? We call them the "moral majority" or the "Evangelical Right."

33 posted on 09/04/2006 5:29:48 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: longtermmemmory
~Checkov in a Russian accent~:BULLSEYE, MR SPOCK!
34 posted on 09/04/2006 5:34:24 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: riverdog
Maybe bringing back the death penalty and having them televised would send a message- you kill somebody we are going to kill you back. Maybe ,just maybe if some of these gang bangers had to face some real penalties for their actions they would not be so bold as to kill. Liberals always say that "easy availabilty" of firearms is the root cause of what they describe as "gun violence". In typical liberal fashion they blame everybody else but the real culprit(s) of violence.

If this law passes the ACLU will be screaming LYNCH MOB because it will affect specific areas of town more than other areas of town. These gangstas aren't running willy-nilly down my street. They're all over the area where I teach high school, though.

35 posted on 09/04/2006 5:40:58 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

"Remember, that cuts both ways. What about the Pastors who urge their congreagations to support pro-gun conservatives? We call them the "moral majority" or the "Evangelical Right."

Rules is rules. If they don't want to follow government rules don't become a 501c church.


36 posted on 09/04/2006 6:35:41 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: longtermmemmory

No an "accident is not just an accident" in our legal system. I doubt you will find any jurisdiction which proclaims my life can be forfeited in your defense of yours without penalty.

The shooting of an innocent third party is not going to be just waved off and poo-pooed away. At a minimum expect a manslaughter charge, negligent homicide or something along those lines.

You may know of some findings of innocence in such a case but I haven't heard of them.

Then there are the civil charges and costs to be expected. God help me if I ever am in such a situation.


37 posted on 09/04/2006 6:51:28 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

An appropriate analogy would be to compare a driver trying to run into one man and mistakenly driving into another with the shooter who hits the wrong person.


38 posted on 09/04/2006 6:58:04 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: riverdog

Amen to that brother. Everyone around here has guns too but we don't go around shooting at each other. Kids at school may get in trouble but they don't get into this kind of crap. I guess I am lucky to live in such a backward, redneck kind of southern place where the idea of kids shooting each other has never been thought of.


39 posted on 09/04/2006 8:08:53 PM PDT by Sender (What was the best thing before sliced bread?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Florida already has a 10-20-Life Law.

When was the last time it was applied to a convicted criminal?

Thaat would also be the first time.


40 posted on 09/04/2006 8:13:20 PM PDT by sport
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The goal is to get 1 million signatures in support of the bill, which demands life in prison for any act of violence that kills a child.

Do you mean that they are finally gonna outlaw abortion?

41 posted on 09/04/2006 8:24:58 PM PDT by P8riot ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone)
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To: riverdog
Why is it that when I was growing up every kid that I was friends with had a at least a .22 rifle and maybe a shotgun and deer rifle but none of us ever even remotely entertained the thought of doing a drive by or school shooting?

Because back then almost everyone learned about firearms by well-- using firearms.

There were actions and there were consequences.

A lot of little boys ate crow. Literally.

These days, far too many people learn about firearms from the way their usage is portrayed in television and the movies-- with tragic consequences.

42 posted on 09/05/2006 3:31:24 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline has been Reutered. (Can you tell?))
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