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Merkel rules out military option for dealing with Iran
Expatica ^ | Sept 06 | staff

Posted on 09/04/2006 4:49:54 PM PDT by shrinkermd

4 September 2006

BERLIN - German Chancellor Angela Merkel has underlined there can be "no military option" for dealing with Iran's nuclear programme, a spokesman said Monday.

"The door for negotiations remains open," said chief German government spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm.

Wilhelm added: "The chancellor has expressed the view that there is no military option."

US President George W. Bush has repeatedly said he does not rule out any option for dealing with Iran's nuclear programme, which is widely believed to be aimed at building nuclear weapons.

Iran rejects this and says its uranium enrichment is for peaceful purposes. Tehran refused to comply

with a United Nations directive that it cease uranium enrichment by August 31.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: axisofappeasement; eu; europe; germantroops; germany; iran; irannukes; merkel; whimpery
Why bother with these people?
1 posted on 09/04/2006 4:49:55 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
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2 posted on 09/04/2006 4:52:04 PM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: shrinkermd

So.... when diplomacy fails..... then what?


3 posted on 09/04/2006 4:56:07 PM PDT by verum ago (Proper foreign policy makes loud noises.)
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To: verum ago
So.... when diplomacy fails..... then what?

There's never a last call at the Appeasement Bar.

4 posted on 09/04/2006 4:59:51 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: shrinkermd

Once Israel is a sea of glass, these same bastards will exclaim how sad they are about it. F'em!

Europe is running full speed into mass suicide. Have at it Euroweenies.


5 posted on 09/04/2006 5:00:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: shrinkermd
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has underlined there can be "no military option" for dealing with Iran's nuclear programme, a spokesman said Monday.

"The door for negotiations remains open," said chief German government spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm.

Sorry, even though she is far better than the former Chancellor...for a German Chancellor to tell us there can be no military option against an Islamofascist state that is developing nuclear weapons, and that has called for the annihilation of Israel and the Jews...is so historically out of place to be rediculous and insulting. She should have seen the sick irony in her words and never uttered them IMHO.

As far as I am concerned, that is exactly what it is going to come down to and precisely becase of the hand wringing of Germany and the UK, and the complicity of France and Russia...and the almost friendly relations with places like China and Venezuela. As a result of precisely such things, we will end up having to use force or facing a nuclear armed radical islamic nation.

6 posted on 09/04/2006 5:02:01 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: shrinkermd

For a European to say this means that Non-proliferation is over. Not only will Israel, along with Pakistan and India (which nations never signed the Non-proliferation Treaty feel justified to arm themselves with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them), but Japan, Saudi Arabia and possibly other nations will withdraw from the Treaty. The world will then be at grave risk of argammedon.


7 posted on 09/04/2006 5:07:03 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Jeff Head

If she really believes that, she is nuts. I think military action is required against Iran, because Iran is instigating the trouble in Iraq. That means Iran is killing our troops and our allies.


8 posted on 09/04/2006 5:08:37 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Williams

I have mixed feelings about Merkel. Sometimes I see a bit of Thatcher in her, other times, a typical socialist-lite European politician. She's better than her predecessor, but I'm afraid she's still a liberal in most things. With the exception of Poland, Europe is nose-diving into irrelevance.


9 posted on 09/04/2006 5:19:13 PM PDT by Publius64 (http://catholicpublius.blogspot.com)
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To: DoughtyOne
The development of the Iraqi security forces are going to be, in the fullness of history, a brilliant tactical strategy.
These guys don't care about kofi or the rest of his ilk.
They care about killing, interrogating and neutralizing terrorists.
And they know terrorists-and how to deal with them. It will be interesting to see how the media deals with the ISF when it gets up to speed. Probably like the IDF. Although the story is getting old. And so is the MSM.
10 posted on 09/04/2006 5:19:40 PM PDT by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: shrinkermd

And when they blow up a nuke in her country, will she consider a military response? If she's still alive?


11 posted on 09/04/2006 5:19:57 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: verum ago

She'll bake a cake.


12 posted on 09/04/2006 5:24:26 PM PDT by allen08gop ("Woman is the most powerful magnet in the universe... and all men are cheap metal!")
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To: Publius64

She grew up in East Germany and its hard to believe that some of the crap didn't rub off on her.

She's also leading a coalition government with weenies in it.

It reflects a political position that could change if Iran goes wacko with a nasty attack.

But wouldn't it better to deal with them now rather that deal with them when they have missiles with nukes on them in the future.


13 posted on 09/04/2006 5:26:39 PM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: mikeybaby

If it brings stability to Iraq, and I hope it does, I wonder how long it will be before Iran sends in a nuke to teach it a lesson. I just don't trust Iran in the least. It's hatred of the West could just about drive it to do anything IMO.


14 posted on 09/04/2006 5:27:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Williams; Jeff Head

What's truly astounding is that even if she personally believes this -- you don't publicly ANNOUNCE IT!

This serves no purpose but to give a green light to Iran's nuclear ambitions and aggression.

Another danger cited by Benjamin Netanyahou is this: Unlike the Soviet Union which had an irrational ideology, they nevertheless had a foreign policy that was rational. Why? Because they were sane enough to fear MAD.

The mad mullahs of Iran are not rational. They adhere to a fanatical apocalyptic religious view that genuinely welcomes a global castrophe and the return of the last Immam. As a suicide bomber has no fear of death - but welcomes it - so, too, do the Islamofascist theocrats in Iran.

Can't rational people ever realize the reality and threat of the irrational?


15 posted on 09/04/2006 5:44:42 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: shrinkermd

Exactly my thought. Taking ANY option off the table is just enabling the terrorists. ALL options should be on the table and ready until the end of the situation. Even if diplomacy were to appear to start working, a military option MUST remain available in the likely event that the Iranians back out of any deal.

De-claw and de-tooth the cat and then have a game of cat and mouse? Ummm....


16 posted on 09/04/2006 5:50:10 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: T.L.Sink

What a deballed metrosexual country that Germany is.


17 posted on 09/04/2006 5:50:15 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: shrinkermd

Who cares what Urkel says?


18 posted on 09/04/2006 5:50:29 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: shrinkermd

angie baby
you're a special lady
living in a world of make believe


19 posted on 09/04/2006 5:54:52 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: shrinkermd

I bet she's leaving open the option of writing a strongly worded letter letting them know of her disappointment if they don't comply!

Wish I could use the /s sign. :-(


20 posted on 09/04/2006 5:57:35 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: DoughtyOne
Not that I support this notion, but Europe and the Liberals really believe that if the United States can recognize the government of Iran and guarantee that the U.S. won't attack, then Iran will give up it's nuclear ambitions.

This whole line of thinking is flawed. For several reasons, why would we want to recognize a government which took 66 hostages at our embassy in 1979 and has supported terrorist groups that have attacked us since then? It becomes a hell of alot more complicated when you figure in Israel. We could not support a regime that wished to destroy one of our allies.

Besides, The current Iranian regime will never give up terrorism. They would smile at us and shake our hand, but use the other hand to strike us.
21 posted on 09/04/2006 6:02:58 PM PDT by lmr (The answers to life don't involve complex solutions.)
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To: lmr

I agree with regard to Europe's view of this. I just can't figure out how they would could possibly expect it to turn out better than the results of their initial reactions to Hitler.


22 posted on 09/04/2006 6:07:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: shrinkermd

Holy toads! Last time through, Chamberlain was BRITISH!


23 posted on 09/04/2006 6:08:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: shrinkermd

Is "surrender" considered a military option?


24 posted on 09/04/2006 6:13:06 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Jeff Head

"As a result of precisely such things, we will end up having to use force or facing a nuclear armed radical islamic nation."

We will end up facing a nuclear-armed radical Islamist nation, or rather, two: Iran and Pakistan.

And then it will be a race to see if our missile defense really can be brought up to snuff, or if MAD will contain them. MAD does contain the CURRENT Pakistani government, but if (when) Musharraf falls and the radicals take over, will they still be contained?

Israel doesn't have the range or strength to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Only the US can do that. And the big question in the US is not whether Iran will be disarmed, but whether or not the American people will leave the President's party in control of either house of Congress.

Iran is going to get the bomb.
And we'll just have to find out if MAD works with the mullahs.
Probably it will.
But we'll just have to hope.


25 posted on 09/04/2006 6:35:24 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (The Crown is amused.)
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To: verum ago
"So.... when diplomacy fails..... then what?" You ask.

Well of course, blame Bush./sarc

Unfortunately we are resigning ourselves to this reality at this point. The tempo of missile defense development programs in Europe is again no coincidence. Sad isn't it? Reactive, passive, defensive; the West with all it's might will get bullied around by a tin pot regime run by Mullah's that has publicly expressed the desire to kill us all. Yet despite speeches, even 'actions' to this affect, gross violations of mandates, and inspections, nothing will happen. Do you think it's mere coincidence that much of Europe is in decline when they think and act like this? Much of Europe is depleted and in decay. They are literally waiting to die, to fade away as societies, cultures, states. There are still some with some life and fight left, but they are the minority within Europe.
26 posted on 09/04/2006 6:54:25 PM PDT by Red6
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To: DoughtyOne
" If it brings stability to Iraq, and I hope it does, "

Iran is already bringing instability in Iraq, they have been bombing the Kurdish in the North, but ? how much do we hear about that from the MSM ?
Also, the most of the terrorist are bought and paid for by Iran, and is getting sympathetic treasonous support by groups like D.N.C. MSM. so on and so on.
27 posted on 09/04/2006 6:57:34 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: shrinkermd

"Why bother with these people?"

Exactly. If they behave without spine when Iran doesn't have the bomb, how much more weak-kneed will they behave once it does and Europe eventually falls within range of Iranian nuclear missiles?

Europe is a becoming a lost cause. If they cannot see their own self-interest in this matter, they are indeed hopeless.


28 posted on 09/04/2006 7:06:04 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: T.L.Sink

Let's apply some logic. What is the behavior for which she is ruling out a military option? A fanatical country developing a nuclear weapon which is designed to kill millions. How would anything short of a military threat deter such a plan?


29 posted on 09/04/2006 7:37:20 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Jeff Head
"...German Chancellor Angela Merkel has underlined there can be "no military option" for dealing with Iran's nuclear programme..."

The German irony is deafening on this one. There WILL be a military solution soon, in spite of any and all euroweenie words to the contrary.

The biggest problem that I see is controlling Frances' nuclear weapons and electrical-generation (nuclear) systems. France is soaked with these islamofacist sewer rats, and there are probably many of them in the Military and Business.

Maybe the islomaniacs will just shut down France when the grownups take action, but I think not...................FRegards

30 posted on 09/04/2006 7:45:48 PM PDT by gonzo (.........Good grief!...I'm as confused as a baby in a topless club!.........)
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To: shrinkermd
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has underlined there can be "no military option" for dealing with Iran's nuclear programme, a spokesman said Monday.

Bomb Dresden again. See if that will change thier minds.

31 posted on 09/04/2006 8:13:37 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: shrinkermd
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has underlined there can be "no military option" for dealing with Iran's nuclear programme, a spokesman said Monday.

Bomb Dresden again. See if that will change their minds.

32 posted on 09/04/2006 8:14:47 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: shrinkermd

The usual Euro-twit idiocy - and we were told Merkel was supposed to be a cut above the other socialist nanny-state ninnies....... not that there's really any chance of "negotiating" Iran out of nukes, but how on earth do these fools think Iran is supposed to concede everything they want when they have no leverage?


33 posted on 09/04/2006 8:22:38 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Mainstream Journalism)
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To: shrinkermd
If the Europeans that have the (nuclear) goods won't fight to defeat the Islamic Fascists and the power of the United States and its allies (and only Israel and Great Britain come to mind) is insufficient to stop the proliferation of nuclear weaponry around the world by Iran and perhaps North Korea, all life on Earth is at risk of annihilation by radiation poisoning.

The following quote is, I think, from George Will. Asked what would happen in the 22nd Century, he said: "There will not be a 22nd Century." And from what is transpiring in the 21st Century's first decade, I think he will be proven right.

34 posted on 09/04/2006 8:23:31 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I agree.


35 posted on 09/04/2006 9:35:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: shrinkermd
Why would Iran bother listening to Merkel if she' s already stating the most Iran has to fear is a little economic discomfort for the working class?

Don't Europeans read their own history?

36 posted on 09/04/2006 9:49:51 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: verum ago
So.... when diplomacy fails..... then what?

Germany will be preoccupied examing her nails, and just not notice. When it's all over they will look up and tell us what we should have done instead.

37 posted on 09/04/2006 11:26:48 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: shrinkermd

38 posted on 09/04/2006 11:29:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: shrinkermd

Oh wait, that's "Merkel".
Nevermind....


39 posted on 09/04/2006 11:30:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: shrinkermd; verum ago; ItsForTheChildren; DoughtyOne; Jeff Head; Redmen4ever; Williams; ...
Here we go again:

I´ve contacted the German Federal Government Press Office (+0049 180 272 0000) because I couldn´t believe that. This "news" would be a 180° turn of Merkel´s Iran policy. So they explained that Merkel said "that she knows nobody who wanted a military option at the moment". So she HAS NOT SAID that she rules out military actions. She follows the German official policy, putting all the pressure on the diplomatic stage, so that a military engagement may be prevented. Germany stands united on this issue with the EU and the US, and with its friend Israel.

The news agencies have concluded things from her words she never said. Once again.

40 posted on 09/05/2006 8:14:17 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

Good work!


41 posted on 09/05/2006 8:26:18 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: lowbridge

Thank you. The Non-proliferation Treaty envisions that one-day, we will eliminate nuclear weapons, and to hold the line at the P5 in the meanwhile. I am afraid, however, that the ball is moving in the wrong direction relative to this goal. I imagined that Chancellor Merkel meant is that we MUST make diplomacy work, if the military option is off the table. BUT, you make clear that she didn't say the military option is permanently off the table.


42 posted on 09/05/2006 9:11:55 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Michael81Dus
Thank you for clarifying that.

Once again, the media tells us what they want, not what is. Once again, combat journalism, shock appeal, and controversy is more important than the truth. I guess I should have known that. It is Merkel after all, and no Schroeder. Not living there anymore, I only have the BS media to get me facts from and unfortunately the media is more often then not, inaccurate and a 'spin' of what is. I failed to look at the credibility of the source. I jumped to conclusions based on weak information. That was poor thinking.

Thanks for clarifying that, and I'll try to be more conservative and reserved in my judgment
43 posted on 09/05/2006 9:23:17 AM PDT by Red6
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To: shrinkermd

Stupid Europeans. Taking the military option off the table dooms diplomacy. They simply will not take you seriously.


44 posted on 09/05/2006 9:27:09 AM PDT by Busywhiskers (Delenda est Hezbollah)
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To: Red6

Well, you know I´m a Merkel fan. I simply couldn´t believe that she changed her position, and I didn´t found it in the German media.

We´ve still two years of talking ahead before military actions will begin. But it´s necessary increase the pressure (and prepare the people that one moment military options are the only options left).


45 posted on 09/05/2006 9:53:39 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
"that she knows nobody who wanted a military option at the moment"

Ah, that's better. So, there may be later 'moments'.

46 posted on 09/05/2006 9:59:26 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: shrinkermd
Here is your military option, Merkel. Your country is in range of nuclear tipped missiles from a Muslim madman.


47 posted on 09/05/2006 10:08:36 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Michael81Dus
Wilhelm added: "The chancellor has expressed the view that there is no military option."

Does this mean that there is an administration official going out on a limb without authorization from the top? OR are you being fed a line to get you to be quiet?

48 posted on 09/05/2006 4:57:20 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: TheBattman

No, it says that there is no military option AT THE MOMENT. That was and is the official German policy, but it doesn´t rule out military options in the future. We´re still two years of talk away until soldiers do what must be done.


49 posted on 09/05/2006 10:36:06 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus; TheBattman; shrinkermd
The meaning of her statement is that military action in the near future (next 6-12 months) is not being considered at the present time. So in effect then, there is no military option at the present time for the near future. Notice that she did not rule it out forever in the more distant future, such as in the first half of 2008 (which IMO is the most likely timing).

I think the EU and US are now trying to negotiate a security agreement with Iran, whereby Iran gives up nuclear weapons development in return for an American promise not to force a regime change in Iran and civilian nuclear power provided and secured by Russia. I'm sure the negotiations over this security agreement are very complex and have to include some exceptions to allow military action by the US in the event of Iranian attacks on the US or our allies. But anyway, I think Merkel and Koffi are trying to help these negotiations by giving Iran some assurance that the US and EU are not planning to force a regime change in Iran at this time. (Sorry to put Merkel and Koffi in the same sentence, but they are saying similar things at this time.)

50 posted on 09/06/2006 1:29:53 PM PDT by defenderSD (The concept of national martyrdom, combined with nuclear weapons, is extremely dangerous.)
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