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Posted on 09/05/2006 4:45:45 AM PDT by 8mmMauser
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Just saw a headline about scientists in England who discovered that a woman in a vegetative state was aware of what went on around her. They cautioned to give a benefit of doubt for these patients.
I know, but I think it has taken a toll. Bless the person we have in mind.
I am with you on that, too.
A patient in a vegetative state can communicate just through using her thoughts, according to research.
A UK/Belgium team studied a 23-year-old woman who had suffered a severe brain injury in a road accident, which left her apparently unable to communicate.
By scanning her brain, they discovered she could understand spoken commands and even imagine playing tennis.
They said their findings, published in Science, were "startling", but cautioned this could be a one-off case.
(Original Ohioan from Florida's ping list, update to September 7.)
Terri on the road to recovery before the second stage began.
Hope many of us can make it to Washington DC for this.
Scientists have shown for the first time that a person diagnosed as being in a vegetative state can communicate.
For Kate Bainbridge, now 36, the news is especially significant.
In 1997, when Kate was 26, she caught an acute viral infection. It was so serious that it confined her to a vegetative state for six months.
The infant remained on life support at Medical University of South Carolina Hospital for 40 days although doctors there said she was clinically brain dead from the time she arrived. The Department of Social Services was waiting on an order from Family Court Judge Berry Mobley on whether they would have the right to decide if the infant should remain on life support when the baby died.
I caught a new detail for some future prosecutor to tell the jury in Michael Schiavo's trial for aggravated manslaughter, in re Terri's unexplained near-fatal injuries the night of February 25, 1990. Part of this story appeared in an inside page of the NY Post on Wednesday, and I ripped it out. The whole story is available here.
>> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Cardiac arrest is often preceded by symptoms lasting for more than an hour, and usually occurs in cases with a known history of heart disease or risk factors, German investigators report.
These findings refute the theory that sudden cardiac death occurs at random in apparently healthy or low-risk patients, the authors say.
The ridiculous bulimia theory was ruled out, and that was Michael's only alibi. Now we see that any other sort of "sudden" cardiac arrest was unlikely too. She didn't just get out of bed and die, did she Michael?
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Round and brash, with the gravelly voice of a street fighter, Arthur Caplan looks and sounds more like a boxer than an ethical philosopher. The director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, Caplan has been enormously influential in a variety of debates in modern biomedicine, from the fate of Terri Schiavo to the market for organs for transplant. He has written or coauthored more than 400 peer-reviewed articles and several book on the ethics of new medical technologies.
1. An FBI probe by Tampa FBI clears a bevy of Tampa Judges from the Thirteenth Circuit, Hillsborough County. The judge pictured in the Tampa Tribune said the following, "If they found anything, they would have brought charges." (yeah, right). TAMPA TRIBUNE front page 9-8-2006
2. TERRI SCHIAVO made the front section of the newspaper regarding the woman's medical condition that you referred to. Terri's picture was in the front section. A spokesman for the death industry, "one" neurologist said that Terri's case was different and new discoveries not applicable to her. (yeah, right.)
3. CRISTI-KOOLAID DRINKERS: The mainstream media just caught up with me, floriduh voter. Crist supporter former State Comptroller Bob Milligan jumped party lines to endorse ALEX SINK (D) (Democratic for Guv McBride's wife) instead of Tom Lee (R) for CFO.
THE I TOLD YOU SO, CRIST-KOOLAID DRINKERS: ALEX SINK WAS EMPLOYED AT BANK OF AMERICA WITH CRIST'S GAL PAL KATIE PEMBLE. ALEX AND KATIE are both Emily's Listers...
Nepotism and cronyism are hallmarks of Crist's political philosophy.
I TOLD YOU SO. (I can find my user posts on Alex Sink and Katie Pemble if people have trouble doing their own research which they should be doing anyway after all).
Crist has betrayed GOP former Senate President Tom Lee for DEMOCRAT ALEX SINK. Alex Sink is smart but she is an Emily's Lister. Crist's so called gal pal is a DEMOCRAT.
FACE THE MUSIC.
All in today's Tampa Tribune... Try http://www.tbo.com and see if this news is on line. FV
Now, this is simply an anecdote. This 23-year-old woman doesn't really tell us anything about anybody else in a vegetative state. Science magazine, which is publishing the finding (subscription required), also published a commentary warning people not to leap to broader conclusions about brain activity in people in this state. (No responsible physician would suggest that the physically atrophied brain of Terry Schiavo could have responded in this way).
DAVISON TWP. - Bobby Schindler, younger brother of Terri Schiavo, will speak at the annual "embrace life" benefit dinner Sept. 28 sponsored by Flint Right to Life and Black Americans for Life.
The 6:12 p.m. event at the Knights of Columbus Hall, 8428 Davison Road, also will feature as emcee Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, a religious-based advocacy group that fought to prevent authorities from removing Schiavo's feeding tube.
FV SAYS: ANOTHER DCF COVERUP IN THE MAKING? WHERE'S FL AG CRIST? He's not investigating DCF or Foster Care but there's a severely injured child. Did his key advisor Clay Roberts SPIKE a real investigation????
A child was placed in foster care while mom went to drug rehab. At present, the child is in a less than minimally conscious state and mom doesn't know while her child was in DCF and foster care. Another horrible mistake by Florida's DCF... I suppose Bernie McCabe will handle this coverup too.
Imagine being in recovery and your children are in state custody and they aren't returned to you in mint condition. One is returned in a less than minimally conscious state.
TAMPA TRIBUNE METRO SECTION: headline: Mother Sues Over Injuries to Young Son (this is related to C. Crist because his friend Darryl Rousson is helping her the way he "helped" Martin Anderson's mom.) Is he helping her or is he shadowing her for Florida's Attorney General? I would think that Darryl Rousson would have a major conflict of interest being that he's Crist's friend. SHADOWING ANOTHER VICTIM FOR CHARLIE CRIST? I ask you. The child's name is: LAZON GULLEY. (DCF does not return children to their parents in mint condition). The culture of corruption is once again exposed.
FV SAYS: DCF is a trainwreck. Remember www.rescuemykids.com or .org. DCF is grabbing kids in what looks like an effort to reach a quota but the parents are INNOCENT.
Gallagher voters who are hopping on Crist's bandwagon are in for a rough ride. Maybe someday these issues wil come to light and Crist will either be back in St. Pete without his bar license or he will be incarcerated.
Does Bill Clinton come to mind yet? LAZON'S mom will sue the State of Florida but there were be no trial. This may just be a campaign strategy if Rousson gets on tv and publicly asks his FRIEND "Charlie Crist, I demand that you investigate LAZON GULLEY's abuse at DCF."
Cristi-Critters are being played and I am sticking my neck out yet again.
A severely brain-damaged woman in an unresponsive, vegetative state showed clear signs on brain imaging tests that she was aware of herself and her surroundings, researchers are reporting today, in a finding that could have far-reaching consequences for how unconscious patients are cared for and how their conditions are diagnosed.
CINCINNATI Investigators recovered 18 bone fragments near an old chimney where investigators believe the body of a developmentally disabled 3-year-old foster child was burned, a county coroner said Thursday.
The boy's foster parents, charged with killing him, pleaded not guilty Thursday to murder.
There is absolutely nothing surprising about this. What goes on inside the human brain is mostly a mystery and mostly beyond the reach of instruments poking around the outside. A diagnosis of "persistent vegetative state" is so unreliable and variable, we can't get three doctors to agree what it IS. It is misdiagnosed half the time, people recover from it who weren't expected to. A diagnosis of "PVS" is all but medically useless -- except for euthanizing the patient and harvesting organs. And that is why we have death doctors like the late Ronald Cranford for hire in lawsuits, ready to testify in every case that the patient should be killed.
One supposes the approximately fifty brain specialists who testified or filed affidavits for Terri were the irresponsible sort.
Seems to me that 527 attack ad was a calculated plan to take Gallagher and Smith out of the race for buddies Crist and Davis. How is Crist going to run against his pal Davis and vice versa?
(more democrats with Crist, wherever you turn!)
Ahhhh, but were they subscribers to NPR?????
Florida just treated itself to a RINOplasty
Owen and colleagues contend their fMRI experiment showed the car-crash victim had some preserved conscious awareness despite her vegetative state.
How could they tell? First, they checked that she could process speech. Upon being told "there was milk and sugar in the coffee," the fMRI showed brain regions reacting the same in the woman and in healthy volunteers.
Here's the web site I talked about. People from other states have joined together at the grassroots level to help Floridians get their kids back from state custody. Martin Anderson was suffocated to death while in state custody. The new little boy is in a less than minimally conscious state after being in state custody. There are a hundred families who are in a flash movie about their experience with Florida's DCF. They WANT THEIR KIDS BACK.
Recent publicity concerning Plan B has been seriously misleading. The Plan B morning-after pill has been referred to as "contraception," even though it may act after fertilization to cause the death of a human embryo. This is an important mistake because, whatever one's judgment on abortion may be, I think we all agree that no woman should be misled into doing what she would consider to be taking a life without realizing that she is doing so.
You do know, though, that organs are no longer 'fresh' once you die. In order for them to be useful, they must bve removed before your heart actually stops beating.
Keep researching this, for your own peace of mind.
What I would worry about is while they are plucking out my parts, they wouldn't even give me an aspirin to stop the pain, so as not to contaminate the parts. Probably wouldn't even smile or wink at me while doing it as I watched either.
Luckily, mine are bargain basement quality, too much mileage.
You are lucky, sadly. :-/
I have told my husband and children I would not sign for any organs to be removed to their bodies, or to be added.
I'm old fashioned, I believe the Good Lord gave each of us the proper organs. It's up to us to create a life with what He deigned to bestow on us, good or bad.
The answer is a lot simpler. Trauma causes hypokalemia. Trauma also causes other symptoms that Terri suffered. Trauma causes cardiac arrest. Trauma was observed in Terri's bone scan. Domestic violence is the #1 cause of death and injury in young women.
Neurologists know better than to listen to NPR. NPR causes brain rot.
That's exactly what led to the Harvard committee creating the new "death with a beating heart" back in the late 1960s. The so-called brain death. Without that, it's mighty hard to find any cadavers fresh enough for organ donation. Note that the Harvard conditions for brain death DO specify that even the brain stem is gone, meaning the patient would die immediately without the aid of a ventilator. Nevertheless, "brain death" is still somewhat controversial in medicine; some insist on the old definition of death -- all systems stop.
A probable moral lapse of the sort I mentioned occurred in my extended family, and I could not do a thing about it. The patient was found unconscious from carbon monoxide after a home fire. I am told by a Freeper nurse that if the heart is still beating -- and it was -- this is treatable (I think by hyperbaric oxygen treatment, but I'm not a medic). The patient, though breathing, was diagnosed as brain dead and was duly carved up for organs. The patient was young (early forties), so the organs were no doubt of the best sort, and lucrative. We'll never know for sure, but I'm reasonably sure the patient had a chance to recover. The lure of six-figure profits for organ harvest may have been too much for a meticulous diagnosis.
Thanks for your clarification and additional info, T'wit.
I think this is going to be a very big scandal when it is uncovered in several years.
People have no idea about what it really involved in organ donation... they are removed from living, breathing bodies. Otherwise, they are useless.
And the medical community is sure not trying to educate people on the realities...
Florida Brainwashing completed.
Yep. We know the person is still alive when their organs are harvested. It's called stripping.
We are breaking up Greer's gang. Little by little, we are putting fair judges in the Sixth Circuit and not electing the likes of Robert Michael, whose father was the first judge to name Mikey as guardian.
No big deal T'wit. Just a few years later he tried to kill her in the nursing home and admitted it. I guess that was a sign of things to come. Something is wrong down there.
Your link doesn't work.
Q. What was her bladder condition?
MS. She had a UTI.
Q. What is that?
MS. Urinary tract infection..
Q. What did the doctor tell you treatment for that would be?
MS. Antibiotic usually..
Q. And did he tell you what would occur if you failed to treat that infection? What did he tell you?
MS. That sometimes urinary tract infection will turn to sepsis..
Q. And sepsis is what?
MS. An infection throughout the body..
Q. And what would the result of untreated sepsis be to the patient?
MS. The patient would pass on..
Q. So when you made the decision not to treat Terri's bladder infection you, in effect, were making a decision to allow her to pass on?
MS. I was making a decision on what Terri would want..
Q. Had the bladder condition been treated?.
Q. And was...what was the reason that the bladder condition was treated?
MS. Sable Palms Nursing Home said they could not do that by some Florida law which wasn't stated..
Q. But you didn't change your opinion or your decision to not treat the bladder condition?
MS. We did change it..
MS. Repeat the question..
Q. You did not change your decision not to treat the bladder condition, correct?
MS. I had to change my decision..
Q. Sable Palms changed it for you?
Attorney Nillson Objection.
Q. Okay. Is there any reason that you would not make the same decision that you previously made if the problem came up again?
MS. Repeat your question. You're losing me here..
Q. Let me be more specific. If your wife developed another condition that could result in her death, is there any reason that you would not take the position that you're not going to treat that condition and you're going to instruct the doctor not to treat that condition?
MS. I wouldn't instruct anybody, no..
Q. You instructed the doctor not to treat the condition, correct?
Attorney Nillson Objection.
Q. You did instruct the doctor not to treat her bladder condition, correct?
MS. Uh-huh. Yes..
Q. If a similar...would you do the same?
MS. I'm thinking..
Q. Take your time.
MS. I probably wouldn't instruct the doctor to do it..
Q. So you've changed your opinion?
MS. Sort of, yeah..
Q. Why have you changed your opinion?
MS. Because evidently there is a law out there that says I can't do it..
Q. Is that the only reason?
MS. Basically, maybe..
Q. What you're telling me is, is that there is nothing in your belief or feelings that have changed. The only thing that has changed is the fact that you perceive the law prevents you to do what you intended to do
Q. What did you do with your wife's jewelry?
MS. My wife's jewelry?.
MS. Um, I think I took her engagement ring and her...what do they call it...diamond wedding band and made a ring for myself..
Q. What did you do with her cats?
MS. Her cats were put to sleep on the advice of my mother-in-law.
(Note: The veterinarian who performed the euthanasia of Terri's pets came forward to say there was never any suggestion from Terri's mother that this be done and it was done only on Mr. Schiavo's insistence.)
You're right. I always test them before hitting the "post" button, but who knows. I'll see if I can find another avenue.
I think that fixes it. Check it for me, please? Some details, abbreviated:
Admission hypokalemia was more frequent in those with closed head injuries... and in those who suffered spinal cord injuries [Terri's bone scan showed both]. ... Hypokalemia occurred more frequently in younger patients... Glasgow Coma Scores (GCS) were significantly lower ... and Injury Severity Scores (ISS) were higher ... with admission hypokalemia. Additionally, hypokalemia was a positive predictor of ISS... Hypokalemic patients more likely needed a ventilator...
Terri Schiavo fit the trauma pattern in every one of the above categories, except I don't know her GCS or ISS scores. It's near certain she fit those too. I omitted the numbers because they are meaningless to a lay reader (medicos are invited to read the abstract posted).
The noose tightens.
So he wanted his wife to die from an excruciatingly painful infection. So he stole her wedding rings. So he killed her cats. So he admitted all of it under oath. What's your point? I hope you aren't trying to show that he's a callous, greedy, mean, no-good SOB who's out campaigning for Death Cult Democrats. The trolls all along have taken his side and marched in his parade. You'd hurt their feelings.
I'd agree with him if he were just going to cut property taxes and try to bring some sanity to the state budget. NY state spending is out of control. But what he's doing, actually, is cutting spending in one spot to waste it in a different boondoggle. He'll end up supporting the old boondoggles along with his new ones. We taxpayers are screwed again.
God says, "All they that hate me love death." Proverbs 8:36
CAMBRIDGE, September 8, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) More and more, ethicists and doctors are questioning the diagnosis of persistent vegetative state, and new research is opening the discussion. Researchers working at Cambridge University in England reported in a study published in the journal Science that a woman who was described as being in a vegetative state is showing signs of conscious awareness while remaining in the comatose condition.
The study, led by Dr. Adrian Owen at the Medical Research Council Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit at Cambridge, compared neurological responses to verbal stimuli in the comatose patient with those of conscious volunteers. It showed that the patients brain responded to commands in the same brain centres and in the same way normally associated with consciousness such as language and planning regions.
If you put her scans together with the other 12 volunteers tested you cannot tell which is the patients, Owen told The New York Times.
(Original Ohioan from Florida's ping list, update to September 7.)
Terri on the road to recovery before the second stage began.
That goes for the snuffbots, too.
You single-handedly sentenced people to die, Caplan. Did you not learn anything from Prohibition? If you shut down markets for goods that are in demand, you succeed only in driving up the prices and turning the business over to the unscrupulous, the lawless and to organized crime.
We see all the predictable bad effects of government suppression in the market for human organs. The high prices of organs are what produced those surgical teams at the big hospitals. The high prices tempt less-than-scrupulous docs and bioethics committees to cut up living patients for their organs. They ALMOST killed Haleigh Poutre, to take one example among many we have studied here. Isn't it sad enough that this child was abused, burnt with cigarettes, starved and beaten nearly to death? Your "ethics" invited bureaucrats to murder her after all that.
Advanced brain scanning uncovered startling signs of awareness in a woman in a vegetative state, British scientists reported Thursday a finding that complicates one of medicine's ethical minefields.
The work is sure to elicit pleas from families desperate to know if loved ones deemed beyond medical help have brain activity that doctors don't suspect. ''Can he or she hear and understand me?'' is a universal question.
Those who don't improve after a longer period are classified as in a ''persistent vegetative state,'' such as the late Terri Schiavo, who became a subject of political controversy over the question of taking such patients off life support. An autopsy showed she had irreversible brain damage.
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