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Posted on 09/05/2006 4:45:45 AM PDT by 8mmMauser
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Amen to that!
CAN PATIENTS IN A VEGETATIVE STATE STILL HEAR? The case of Terri Schiavo has reignited the debate about what is going on in the mind of a person who is in a persistent vegetative state. Unlike people in comas, people in PVS are thought to be essentially oblivious to the outside world with no hope of awakening. But now provocative research in the journal Science suggests that the brain may still be able to respond to the human voice. Doctors in Belgium scanned the brain of a female patient in PVS while asking her to do things like imagine she was playing tennis. Her brain responses matched the patterns of normal people's brains when they were asked to imagine the same thing, suggesting the PVS patient may be "conscious" on some level. A related editorial points out though that this patient is likely not typical and that it's important not to generalize this finding to all patients in vegetative states.
CAN PATIENTS IN A VEGETATIVE STATE STILL HEAR? The case of Terri Schiavo has reignited the debate about what is going on in the mind of a person who is in a persistent vegetative state. Unlike people in comas, people in PVS are thought to be essentially oblivious to the outside world with no hope of awakening.
But now provocative research in the journal Science suggests that the brain may still be able to respond to the human voice. Doctors in Belgium scanned the brain of a female patient in PVS while asking her to do things like imagine she was playing tennis.
Her brain responses matched the patterns of normal people's brains when they were asked to imagine the same thing, suggesting the PVS patient may be "conscious" on some level. A related editorial points out though that this patient is likely not typical and that it's important not to generalize this finding to all patients in vegetative states.
But this patient will recover? Are there any PVS patients out there who do not suffer from severe, probably irreversible brain damage? I swear, every time reporters depart from factual reporting and inject their bias into their stories, they turn into babbling morons.
"Out, damned spot! Out, I say!" -- Lady Macbeth.
Our doughty social scientists are about 400 years behind the times :-)
Those who don't improve after a longer period are classified as in a "persistent vegetative state," such as the late Terri Schiavo, who became a subject of political controversy over the question of taking such patients off life support. An autopsy showed she had irreversible brain damage.
I remember that. She was talking to her naughty dog who marked her floor.
I wonder if Pontius Pilate really felt a lot cleaner once he washed his hands well.
Oops, didn't see your Pontius Pilate ref or I wouldn't have had to bring up Lady Macbeth :-) The point remains that if there are any bigger ninnies than reporters on the march, it is social scientists.
That simply ratifies the point. It is biblical and Shakespearian, so fundamental.
The scientific breakthroughs come from the doctors who value the lives of their patients.
Doctors who kill contribute little, if nothing, to humanity.
No, it's from Dick & Jane.
Bad, bad Spot!
See Spot remover.
See Spot run!
Ooh, wouldn't that be great. And y'know, it just might happen. One week we have news of a drug that "wakes" the comatose. The next week word of a man whose brain rewired itself after 22 years. The next week a demonstration that a PVS patient (here) has both will and consciousness, despite the inability to communicate.
Of course we've had many another story over the years about comatose patients -- often at risk of being dehydrated / starved to death -- who knew EVERYTHING that was going on around them but couldn't so much as move a muscle to say so. And a lot more stories from medically unconscious patients who were "out of body" and watched the surgery being performed on them and could relate the details later.
Exactly. They are too lazy to investigate anything on their own, they just passively pass along what they are told to with a cut-and-paste job. I wish there were some way to make them grow the, uh, equipment associated with action and courage.
I am glad you Spotted my misreference.
Yeah, that would be a great tag line but mine's full. Maybe we can get a volunteer for that Proverbs.
Once in a while they catch a bad guy for appearances.
We probably wouldn't have that problem if law enforcement had done their job properly.
What I mean is, here we have a young healthy woman who ended up in a hospital after her husband came home.
About a year later a bone scan turned up numerous recent past injuries to her bones. What was done about that? Nothing of course.
Then 2 years after that, he admitted under oath that he tried to kill her in the nursing home. What was done about that? Nothing of course.
Then about 3 years later, Carla Iyer reported Michael's bad intentions. What was done about that? Nothing of course.
I guess I would make a terrible Florida cop.
You sure would. You'd have to go to stupid school for years and years to pretend to be stupid enough to qualify.
>> What I mean is, here we have a young healthy woman who ended up in a hospital after her husband came home.
Since the M.E. shot down Michael's pathetic little alibi, none of the trolls will address the issue. How DID a healthy young woman end up face down on the floor in cardiac arrest soon after her husband came home late one Saturday night?
The thing is, you have to answer that question before you can form a rational opinion on the rest of the case. If Michael injured Terri in the first place, then it was unconscionable to support his efforts to murder her later.
But that's going too fast for a troll.
Do you think it would of made a difference if the trolls were on our side?
I simply refer to your earlier link on fools. LOL. In my world of white and black and absolutes, I hold out little hope for these bots of their evil master.
I have read the Saturday article by Anthony Man regarding that selfish, opportunistic Michael Schiavo. Will someone tell him to move in with Cindy Sheehan?
He has caused more trouble for the parents of Terri Schiavo and our Gov. Jeb Bush than anyone should be allowed to. If readers out there in citizenship land had an ounce of sense, they would understand the real story of why the governor had to step in on this case. Plus, ladies and gentlemen, when the courts are already giving orders, you have the government in it already. That's in everything you do. Schiavo is quoted as saying, "We don't elect them to run our families" (meaning the government). "We in America can't let this happen." OK, let's stop welfare then. That's government running your family.
(Original Ohioan from Florida's ping list, update to September 7.)
Terri on the road to recovery before the second stage began.
CALL IT "Terri's Revenge." Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state, was the subject of a huge legal battle and intense media attention when her husband, Michael Schiavo, wanted to disconnect her feeding tube, effectively ending her life.
Now comes a study published in the journal Science that sheds new light on PVS. A 23-year-old English woman, who sustained severe head injuries in an auto accident in July 2005, became a subject of study at the British Medical Research Council's Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit. Although she was comatose and considered "vegetative," new tests found the young woman had considerable brain activity.
Since the Reagan Administration first embraced and got in bed with the religious right, a cornerstone of Right Wing ideology has been the so-called "pro-life" stance. In my thinking, they are anything but. What? You ask? The righties are not "pro-life?" In a word, no. Of course they are against abortion and many types of birth control. So that makes them "pro-birth." Once the child is born, their interest drops off dramatically.
The announcement in the journal Science that a comatose womans brain showed consistent activity while being scanned following verbal cues, sets the stage for the next Terri Schiavo case. When being told to imagine she was playing tennis, for example, the same parts of her brain were activatived that would be activated in a healthy person thinking about playing tennis.
Conservatives will likely jump on this case to undermine the rights of patients to decide in advance what medical interventions they dont want if they are unable to speak for themselves. But that would be putting politics above science, as the facts show:
Infertile couples desperate to conceive children are turning increasingly to fertility specialists for help. Yet, widespread use of assisted reproductive technology (ART) has led to a completely unforeseen consequence: the creation of the worlds largest population of frozen human embryos. That reality has ignited a vigorous moral debate among scientists, politicians, theologians, and parents about what should be done with the surplus store of nascent human life.
The Vatican (LifeNews.com) -- In a meeting with Canadian bishops, Pope Benedict XVI criticized the North American country for its laws allowing abortion. He said they result in part because numerous pro-abortion Catholic politicians are ignoring their faith and putting their own beliefs ahead of the values of the church.
What you're asking is whether trolls can stop being trolls. So far as anybody knows, the answer is "no." But hey, I believe in miracles.
Now, that makes me laugh out loud! Next step -- Cindy and Mike become an "item" on the front cover of all the tabloids ("Jodi heartbroken"). Then the headlines could scream, "It's all over, Cindy dumps cheating Schiavo for Michael Moore." "Mikey makes a move on Susan Sarandon, gets a black eye." "Mikey seen on park bench cooing with Helen Thomas."
Sensible opinion. But it's not only this case. We have far too many stories and studies like this to have any confidence in medical opinions about so-called PVS. The truth is, brain science is still primitive, and no matter what advances are made, we never will find "will" or "mind" inside by peering at "brain" from the outside.
More revenge for Terri will come when we clear away the lies and listen to all the media- and court-suppressed evidence that she was not in a PVS.
Yes, isn't it? A very keen insight.
We've been preaching that since 1776, dude. And incidentally, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat who came around to our way of thinking. The American way of thinking.
The statement is, If you don't favor 1) socialized medicine, 2) socialized education, 3) excessive school taxes, 4) smaller classrooms, and 5) union scale pay for teachers, you are not pro-life.
I don't think a beginner's course in logic would help, but hey, I believe in miracles.
Who are they planning to murder this time?
Now this could get out of hand if imagination runs wild. I can imagine the possibilities in the supermarket rags, involving Tom Cruise, paternity suits, Mikey's new weight loss miracle...
Wesley J. Smith being interviewed right NOW on EWTN. (10:30am Sunday, 9-10-06.)
It's one of EWTN's new series, "Faith & Culture."
All of what you write is true. I'm hoping that public knowledge of what is going on reaches critical mass.
Thank you, Lesforlife.
Didn't you quote the bible the other day about 'those who hate me love death'? If so, I couldn't find it.
8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
WESTFIELD - One year ago today, an 11-year-old girl named Haleigh Poutre was brought to Noble Hospital unresponsive with a severe head injury.
Ten days later, her adoptive mother and step-father, Holli A. and Jason D. Strickland, the same people who brought her to Noble, were charged with severely beating her.
The next day, Holli Strickland, out on bail, was killed in a murder-suicide at the hands of her grandmother, police said.
(Original Ohioan from Florida's ping list, update to September 7.)
Terri on the road to recovery before the second stage began.
St. Petersburg, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Terri Schiavo's father reacted to news about a 23 year-old British woman supposedly in a so-called "vegetative state" who stunned doctors by responding to certain commands asked of her. The results have been displayed in brain imaging showing more is going on in her head than meets the eye.
Although the unnamed woman can't move or speak, she has responded to sentences spoken to her and even played an imaginary game of tennis in her head, her doctors say.
The results have all been recorded on a brain scanner and show that disabled patients like Terri Schiavo or those who are comatose may be much more aware than they appear.
Terris father, Robert Schindler, agrees and, in a statement sent to LifeNews.com, said the case shows more should have been done to save his daughter's life and to listen to experts who said she wasn't as bad off as her former husband made it appear.
This new case is not surprising to our family," Schindler said.
In a warehouse-sized coffee shop in the shadow of an elevated subway line, Donna Edwards and her retinue of volunteers are waiting for the music to begin. Edwards, a candidate for Maryland's Fourth Congressional District, has enticed guitarist Peter Yarrow (of Peter, Paul, and Mary) to strum a few tunes. The appointed moment arrives, but Edwards waits: The coffee shop is only half full, and most of its denizens are unaware of the political event that brought a small assemblage--mostly Edwards's campaign staff and her family--to the front of the room. And it stands to reason: There were just two weeks left until Edwards, a foundation executive from Fort Washington, faces U.S. Representative Al Wynn, an incumbent in his seventh term whose commanding presence has scared away every political challenge he has encountered in seven races.
But some say that tomorrow's Democratic primary might be different. Edwards has accumulated no small support from the left in Maryland--not to mention The Washington Post's endorsement--by pointing out, time and time again, that Wynn, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), is out of line with his voters and his party. Not only does he vote the wrong way, she says, but he votes the wrong way at precisely the wrong times--and especially when Democrats crave unity. Wynn voted to intervene in the Terri Schiavo affair. He endorsed a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning. He voted to repeal the estate tax--several times. He is, she has said, "Maryland's Joe Lieberman."
Ken Connor is Chairman of the Center for a Just Society in Washington, DC and a nationally recognized trial lawyer who represented Governor Jeb Bush in the Terri Schiavo case. Connor was formally President of the Family Research Council, Chairman of the Board of CareNet, and Vice Chairman of Americans United for Life. For more articles and resources from Mr. Connor and the Center for a Just Society, go to www.ajustsociety.org. Your feedback is welcome; please email firstname.lastname@example.org.
Really? Where the heck was the press? You and I among others have dug for stories and patrolled the Internet for any scrap of news about Haleigh. Yet we find lots of meaty information in this story that's completely new. I don't think the news blackout is entirely due to DSS gag orders. I think a lot of media are too busy peddling their politics to pay attention to one poor, battered little girl.
If I'm not mistaken, the concept of "persistent vegetative state" came along in the early 1970s, right on the heels of Harvard's invention of "brain death." Can it be coincidence that both of these "conditions" are used for declaring care futile? For killing patients?
PVS is anything but an exact medical condition, like, say, measles. You can hardly find two brain experts who even agree what it is in detail. The media treat PVS like some sort of divine revelation, but in truth it's one of the most subjective, controversial diagnoses in all of medicine.
Bob Schindler is exactly right. "PVS" is unscientific and malign. It should be abolished.
Peter, Paul and Mary showed up yesterday in a fascinating and enormously revealing personal history by an art critic at the New York Times. The man grew up in an important Communist household in Greenwich Village, and apparently met every big-name leftist around, right in his living room. And he dropped all of their names in this one remembrance. Yes, including Peter, Paul and Mary :-)