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Haleigh Poutre Almost Victim of Euthanasia, Now Making Good Progress
Life News ^ | September 4, 2006 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 09/05/2006 4:45:45 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

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To: BykrBayb
>> A requirement that the patient's lawyer, judge, and other interested parties actually see the patient and observe their condition.

Great idea. But also tricky because that puts unqualified observers in the role of playing doctor. There should be a real doctor present to guide the tour, as it were.

Dr. Hammesfahr pointed out that brain-damaged patients receive commands very slowly and respond very slowly. It would be hard for us untrained observers to understand and be patient for that. We live in a faster world.

Judge Greer himself was grossly guilty of playing doctor with medical evidence. He censored it to throw out responses that weren't fast enough for his untrained eye. The result was to turn positive evidence about Terri into negative. He might have been innocently ignorant in doing this, but I think he was rigging the trial as he did so many other ways.

51 posted on 09/07/2006 4:57:03 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: Lesforlife
>> Pray for his repentance.

Amen!

52 posted on 09/07/2006 5:00:29 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: BykrBayb
>> Wolfson "...broke with tradition, and actually spent time with her... He changed his recommendation real quick.

The testimony about Terri from actual eyewitnesses was just about unanimous, and it was striking. They all said she was responsive. There were quite a few first-hand observers outside Terri's immediate family. Three of her nurses have testified under oath to her responsiveness, and they all said the same thing independent of each other. (At least two other nurses have spoken similarly but in a different context.) David Gibbs, the Schindlers' last attorney, wrote about it extensively in his book. Other attorneys-- Anderson, her husband (who visited Terri), Weller -- affirmed her consciousness. (Michael's own lawyers affirmed her responsiveness in the malpractice trials.) At least two close friends who visited Terri after her injury knew she was "in there." A neurologist from Mayo, who was permitted only to observe, not examine, and who from news reports had thought she was PVS, changed his mind upon seeing her and said she should live and be treated.

Small wonder Michael Schiavo and George Felos wouldn't let the press visit Terri, or allow examination by doctors not of their careful choosing. It was too easy to see the lies about her being PVS.

One other witness should be "called," and that was Dr. Stephen Nelson, the brain specialist who assisted in Terri's autopsy. (Yes, the one who made that gratuitous remark about Terri's dehydrated brain being smaller than Quinlan's, as if that meant anything.) When asked if his findings ruled out Terri interacting with her family or other people, Dr. Nelson said: "No."

53 posted on 09/07/2006 6:07:45 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: 8mmMauser

They call him a "moderate." That's how leftists compliment a RINO. The word is liberal-speak for "one of us," but we don't want to say so in public because "moderate" sounds innocent and "liberal" is the kiss of death.


54 posted on 09/07/2006 6:12:07 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Yes, do read the whole thing. Soak in it. It really was striking that some of the best minds of the Left, as well as the Right, were unflinching in their support for Terri (and never mind that they shared their position with the Pope, George W. Bush and Tom Delay!). Hentoff, Tom Harken, Ralph Nader, Jesse Jackson and at least qualifiedly, Gloria Allred and Alan Dershowitz come to mind. No doubt there were others.

And that raises an important question. If the Right and the Left agreed about Terri's right to life, what political force lobbied for her death? What force was stronger than the right and left combined? Surely this indicates a major shift in the political spectrum, and conservatives had better think hard about how to address it and advance their policies.

55 posted on 09/07/2006 6:29:43 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit

Mikey just has that talent, the kiss of death.


56 posted on 09/07/2006 6:59:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

Those who showed at the vigil represented an amazingly rich spectrum of outlook. They were all united on this, Jews and Christians, agnostics, atheists, wiccans, all could clearly see the wrong and the limited few who were opposed were clear in their seperate agenda, diametrically opposed to the rest.

Like white and black.


57 posted on 09/07/2006 7:06:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Would it need to be put into a living will?


58 posted on 09/07/2006 7:07:13 AM PDT by wastedyears
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To: Peach
Almost a victim, a little girl is making progress thanks to grassroots activism. Governor Romney protected Haleigh Poutre from state sponsored death.

Crist won't ever do that and neither will Davis. Crist helped off Terri, Davis didn't.

59 posted on 09/07/2006 8:16:16 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> They were all united on this, Jews and Christians, agnostics, atheists, wiccans, all could clearly see the wrong and the limited few who were opposed were clear in their seperate agenda, diametrically opposed to the rest.

Some take a spiritual view of life, some do not. C. S. Lewis used his own terminology for it in his seminal book, "The Abolition of Man." He called the rules of higher value the "Tao." They come in a bundle, like the Ten Commandments. You must accept the whole package or you are not within the Tao. Lewis traced those moral rules through many civilizations in all parts of the world. Civilized life without them is impossible.

The reason one cannot exclude some rules is that enemies of the Good will stress one or two rules out of context and out of all proportion to do evil. Liberals do that 90% of every working day. George Felos blew up a semi-mythical "right to privacy" to the point where it superseded Terri Schiavo's basic right to life.

One celebrates all who open their soul to the Tao, be they Christian, agnostic or wiccan.

60 posted on 09/07/2006 8:17:59 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
Governor Mitt Romney is really setting himself apart from other GOP. He's refused to provide security for a big wig from Iran when he visits Mass.

Go, Mitt! He has guts. I'd vote for him for Prez.

61 posted on 09/07/2006 8:18:56 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: 8mmMauser; T'wit; BykrBayb

King is courting a coronary and a stroke. I hope he has regular checkups because his gluttony and greed may catch up to him someday. The only exercise he gets is eating turkey drumsticks and getting lap dances.


62 posted on 09/07/2006 8:20:47 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: floriduh voter

I am one of those who voted for Mitt Romney in the current Freeper poll. I believe he is much more conservative than Rudy Giuliani (whom I also admire, of course). Mitt is very well spoken into the bargain. He would be a formidable contender.


63 posted on 09/07/2006 8:21:19 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: floriduh voter

Oh, please. Your rhetoric is a reflection of a delusional mind.


64 posted on 09/07/2006 8:24:24 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Lesforlife; 8mmMauser
An attorney running for Judge in the SIXTH CIRCUIT who was endorsed by CRIST lost his bid for the sixth circuit.

We are breaking up the gang of judicial oversteppers in Pinellas County. Jack Day is the opposite of Judge Greer. Michael would become Judge Greer. Since Robert Michael cheated and Day sued him, I'm so glad Michael lost.

Had Michael won, the Jqc and Fla Elections Commission would have orchestrated a coverup and found Michael innocent. The people saw through Michael!

Robert Michael's dad was the first Judge to assign MICHAEL SCHIAVO as Terri's guardian. He LOST his bid.

We WON. If we stick together, we will replace bad judges with decent ones, no matter how long it takes.

65 posted on 09/07/2006 8:25:24 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: floriduh voter
>> King is courting a coronary and a stroke.

Oh, you are such a worry-wart! I think we should mount an Internet effort to show our appreciation to Jim King. We should collect coupons for cheeseburgers, fried chicken and chocolate malts, and send them along to his office.

66 posted on 09/07/2006 8:25:37 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: 8mmMauser

There's a really gay/not gay? looking photo in today's Tampa Tribune. It's probably not going to be on the internet. I can scan it if I ever feel like it.


67 posted on 09/07/2006 8:26:54 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: bvw
I agree with your two bits. Harris will win. The media couldn't destroy her and her supporters never left her.

The dems will make quick work of cc.

68 posted on 09/07/2006 8:28:16 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: wastedyears
The will I would look to would be such as that proposed by the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, the "will to live."

here

69 posted on 09/07/2006 8:29:30 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; All
8mmmauser, I can't ever thank you enough for your generous spirit and for your committment to Terri's Legacy and America's fight against euthanasia and the death industry.

If anyone wants to join the Terri's Legacy ping list, please contact : 8mmmauser.

It's a medium volume ping list, not a bombardment. Join Terri's Legacy listers. We are part of the FR family.

70 posted on 09/07/2006 8:33:12 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: T'wit

Yay! And Crist's endorsement for Judge LOST. See my post about Robert Michael, whose dad was the first judge to begin the end of Terri Schiavo.


71 posted on 09/07/2006 8:35:33 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: 8mmMauser

TLL bttt!


72 posted on 09/07/2006 8:36:02 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: T'wit
I bet the lap dance place is next to a chicken joint in a strip mall. (One stop shopping for the creep JIM KING from Jax.)

Who keeps giving these creeps millions of dollars to run for office?

73 posted on 09/07/2006 8:38:31 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: Peach

Peach, why don't you look at this entire thread? Do you think that Governor Mitt Romney is delusional too? Haleigh Poutre was going to be an involuntary organ donor. That's a fact. Governor Mitt Romney saved her life.


74 posted on 09/07/2006 8:41:49 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter

Let's take a look at some of your more hysterical, unsourced and disgusting posts, shall we:

There's a really gay/not gay? looking photo in today's Tampa Tribune. It's probably not going to be on the internet.

King is courting a coronary and a stroke. I hope he has regular checkups because his gluttony and greed may catch up to him someday. The only exercise he gets is eating turkey drumsticks and getting lap dances.

Florida is safe for teachers but not so much for disabled people.

I heard illegal aliens voted.

I wonder if there were any human sacrifices last night to celebrate the Crist victory. Disabled people should seriously consider moving.

That's just the last 24 hours or so. You should be ashamed.


75 posted on 09/07/2006 8:51:32 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
You don't have a sense of humor. Part of my gig here is that I have a sense of humor. Aren't you glad that Haleigh Poutre got to live?

I stand by all my jokes and by my serious comments. You can copy and paste all day but if you cannot tell humorous posts from serious comments, it's not my problem.

76 posted on 09/07/2006 9:03:23 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter

If you can't tell what a fool you sound like, that's your problem. But I'm delighted that MOST of us have figured it out.


77 posted on 09/07/2006 9:06:21 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Since you have no opinion on Haleigh Poutre beating the death industry, you could just move on, I'm just sayin'.


78 posted on 09/07/2006 9:10:38 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: T'wit
Greer's untrained eye? 20/200 vision is more like it. If he couldn't see it and it was favorable to Terri, he threw it out.

http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com/

79 posted on 09/07/2006 9:12:02 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: T'wit

Even prominent lefties knew that it was murder.


80 posted on 09/07/2006 9:13:09 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter

Did you ping me to this thread? Why yes. Yes, you did.

Now that I've posted some of your more delusional postings, you'd like it if I just moved on. Typical lack of back-up of your OWN posts. As usual.

But hey - get a sense of humor. I'm just kidding that you have mental health issues.


81 posted on 09/07/2006 9:16:51 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: ahayes

Google "Hugh Finn" or " Marjorie Nighbert" and read the stories of their deaths.


82 posted on 09/07/2006 1:44:59 PM PDT by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: pickyourpoison
Hugh Finn: not euthanasia

Marjorie Nighbert: if this really occurred as reported, it was a crime. I'm unfortunately unable to confirm this because the story only appears in pro-life sources and varies in significant details from source to source (Was she 76? 83? Did she die in '95? 96? Was she unconscious and then woke up or conscious all the way through?)

83 posted on 09/07/2006 2:25:37 PM PDT by ahayes ("The wicked flee when no one is pursuing, but the righteous are as bold as a lion." -- Prov 28:1)
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To: Peach
Aren't you glad that Haleigh Poutre got to live? -Foriduh Voter

I would like to hear your answer to that. I don't know why you avoided it.

84 posted on 09/07/2006 5:27:49 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: 8mmMauser

Fightening to say the least!


85 posted on 09/07/2006 5:29:17 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftists, the enemy within.)
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To: Peach
Haleigh's safe now.

The bottom line is that, we have a wide range of opinions here and let's hope that never stops.

86 posted on 09/07/2006 5:49:22 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter
>> King is courting a coronary and a stroke

He's young, FV. He's only 66. He can stay blimpy for weeks, maybe months more before he has the coronary. We've all seen the Howdy Doody photo of him. Here are a couple of less familiar ones.

He's the short, fat one. Where did they find a gown to fit?

Jim and Mrs. Jim. She's the normal one on the left.

87 posted on 09/07/2006 5:51:09 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit

She can't be normal if she's married to him. Think she's a gold digger? Well, he's the right man for her if that's the case.


88 posted on 09/07/2006 5:59:40 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: 8mmMauser
A Muslim guy gave me honey from some holy mountains in the middle east to give to the Schindlers for Terri. He came straight from whatever holy mountain he was talking about to the Vigil. There were people from Germany and other countries. I can't remember there were so many people there from around the world who could not believe an innocent woman was being tortured to death in America.

By the way, the new rules for terrorists: no starving of prisoners. Terri would have been better off if she'd been in aq.

89 posted on 09/07/2006 6:02:31 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: pickyourpoison

And, Jimmy Chambers and Ted Stith. They were euthanized too. Euthanasia is illegal but apparently, nobody knows it because we have anti-euthanasia threads to help people.


90 posted on 09/07/2006 6:06:43 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: ahayes
Hugh Finn cried. He was forced out. Terri Schiavo screamed. They tortured her for almost two weeks, can you imagine, no water at all or ensure for almost two weeks.

Dehydration cracks every single cell in the body and organs turn to rocks. It's a barbaric thing and it's painful.

91 posted on 09/07/2006 6:08:42 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter
Dehydration cracks every single cell in the body and organs turn to rocks. It's a barbaric thing and it's painful.

Michael knew she could feel pain according to court testimony. He enjoyed every second of it.

92 posted on 09/07/2006 6:22:59 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: T'wit

Bless you for sending that card. Your prayers may be answered.


93 posted on 09/07/2006 6:27:46 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: bjs1779

I wonder how long he'll keep his position with all the time he takes off to promote florida's hitler youth movement.


94 posted on 09/07/2006 6:31:13 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter
I wonder how long he'll keep his position with all the time he takes off to promote florida's hitler youth movement.

I would say his pay check is suspicious.

95 posted on 09/07/2006 6:42:00 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779

The Freedom of Information Act is one of my favorites.


96 posted on 09/07/2006 6:50:09 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: bjs1779

Southpark is on. Cartman went to the "Unplanned Parenthood" Clinic.


97 posted on 09/07/2006 6:50:57 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter

I have faith in J.M.


98 posted on 09/07/2006 6:51:54 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779

absolutely.


99 posted on 09/07/2006 6:53:30 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: bjs1779

can you say dogged pursuit?


100 posted on 09/07/2006 6:54:11 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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